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Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:36 PM

Psychiatrist warns Trump's mental state is rapidly deteriorating -- and he may be 'on the boundary of

psychosis and reality’

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/psychiatrist-warns-trumps-mental-state-rapidly-deteriorating-may-boundary-psychosis-reality/

Look at the people who are winning nomination on the Republican side. Nazis are running for office as Republicans. There are candidates who take Trump as a role model and will be even more extreme than him. There have been elections where Republican candidates and officeholders who dared to criticize Trump have been punished by Republican voters. It’s almost like a refinement process. This happens in fascist societies. We saw this with Nazi Germany.

I truly believe that the elected Republican politicians are completely lost souls. They are like the characters in a zombie movie who keep their father in the basement because they don’t really understand that he is a zombie. He’s not coming back. I really, truly think it’s that bad. There a few Republicans who are trying to sound the alarm about Trump, but the Republican Party as a whole is like organized crime at this point, and Trump is the boss. There’s absolutely no other conclusion you could draw.

Trump’s grandiosity is such that he actually believes he is an expert on everything. Based on his speeches and interviews, Trump is apparently the world authority on 25 different issues. This also speaks to a bigger problem, which is the death of expertise. For authoritarians and malignant narcissists like Trump an independent source of authority, whether it’s the press, the bureaucracy or the experts, are threats to his authority. Trump leaves positions at the State Department unfilled because he doesn’t want experts telling him what to do. He knows that he knows more than everybody else. What’s really frightening is that he actually believes that he has this kind of papal infallibility.

The simplest explanation is that Donald Trump is experiencing substantial organic cognitive decline, but he hasn’t reached the bottom of the hill yet. He’s fallen, let’s say, 25 stories, but he’s going to continue to deteriorate. Cognitive deterioration only goes in one direction. It doesn’t stand still and it doesn’t get better. No, Trump is not ready for the nursing home. But that doesn’t mean he’s capable of managing the White House. Once you factor in nuclear weapons the possibilities are truly horrific.

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Reply Psychiatrist warns Trump's mental state is rapidly deteriorating -- and he may be 'on the boundary of (Original post)
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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:43 PM

1. I never understood how a dictator could gain so much power.

I now realize recruiting henchmen and henchwomen voters and supporters is much easier than I ever imagined.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:45 PM

2. With a little help from his friends

He's getting worse by the day-- when will it stop??????????

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:52 PM

5. Not only "when" will it stop, but "how" and "where" will it stop.

I hope it doesn't take a drumpfian total disaster to wakeup the dormant GOP.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:26 PM

47. The RePutin Party will never awaken. The only cure is to completely destroy it.

Same as the Nazis.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:45 PM

68. We thought the Nazis were destroyed but they apparently lived on.

It is difficult to completely destroy evil!

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:54 PM

7. The callousness, stupidity and complicity of the GOP congress is astounding. n/t

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:51 PM

4. It's about like living in 1930's Germany. I never really understood the rise of Hitler, that so many

could be persuaded to follow his dictates. Now, we see somewhat similar happening in the US. Millions acting/supporting in very poor judgment.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:56 PM

8. So true.

What we see happening here is the same that happened in Germany. Scary stuff!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:43 PM

54. And the majority of the German people thought Hitler was a jerk...at first.

Then came the Great Depression in 1929, and the Nazis capitalized on that. The 1930 elections changed the German political landscape, and things went downhill rapidly from there.

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Response to VOX (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:37 PM

60. And many/some thought it was a passing fad. How wrong they were. I think we have a lot of that

here, those feeling Trump will just fade away, eventually.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #60)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 04:58 AM

75. I can't believe that there's actually a concerted effort to redefine reality.

But it's there, plain as day when you just listen: "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea...You can now feel much safer than the day I took office. Sleep well tonight."

I never envisioned a majority of Republicans actually casting their lot with #45, to actually fall for this now-lethal reality-infomercial washout. I always had some tiny measure of faith that most Americans, in an extreme case, would stand united against a common threat.

But now, that's impossible. Republicans/Trumpists ARE the threat. To them, down is up, dark is light, etc. Their figurehead is a repulsive, crude, inept, incompetent, artificial "businessman" who is "not literary minded." They've surrendered their will to that one man. For the first time in my life (and I was born mid-20th century), I know we are venturing into territory we've never been before, in ways that are very negative and destructive. I have a deep, sickening sensation that this is what will soon be called normal, when things are extremely far from okay, in a way I've never perceived before.

Preaching to the choir, I know. My apologies. I had to vent a bit.

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Response to VOX (Reply #75)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:45 AM

79. Agree! And what I find very disturbing now and for the future of the US is Trumpism is becoming

normalized despite the fact it's filled with lies, distortions and delusions. And, critical thinking continues to sink. The GOP is now fueled by Trumpism and irrational behavior.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #79)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:25 AM

80. Having been allowed to run free and do damage, can Trumpism ever be stuffed back into its bottle?

I'm afraid that it's going to have a ripple effect that will last awhile. It's particularly worrisome when you see other liberal democracies -- France, England, Germany, Italy, Poland, Sweden, etc. are all having this simultaneous battle with right-wing populism, which has gained ground. That means that this nationalist movement is worldwide, and it spreads like an infection.

Then there are too many good people who are rendered literally by information overload. The idea of the United States throwing in with Russia and North Korea, while flipping off Canada and Mexico, is just one more thing designed to have maximum impact, and sow doubt and confusion. I smell the stench of Bannon, still. He just got back from Italy, pushing his global vision for a nationalist revolution.

In the end, it's gangsterism, and the ill-gotten treasure that such a terrible undertaking yields.

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Response to VOX (Reply #80)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:43 AM

81. One factor which disturbs me, well among many, is that Americans are not used to this

environment. There is a fair amount of trust in the US, generally, that events/things sometimes tend to work themselves out, and many only casually pay attention to what is going on. That naivety is being manipulated and used to enable endless gangsterism. This, combined with "... this nationalist movement is worldwide, and it spreads like an infection" is damn frightening.

Yes, I smell it too! "I smell the stench of Bannon, still. He just got back from Italy, pushing his global vision for a nationalist revolution."




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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:30 PM

58. and many millions more completely unaware,

for which I mostly blame our media.

Many years ago, when Disney bought ABC, I wondered what on earth they wanted with a TV station. Disney was so clearly an entertainment company and, I inaccurately thought at the time, ABC a NEWS organization. Now it's all just mostly entertainmnet. Even MSNBC, for example, feeds us far too much gossip ABOUT the principals, and the players instead of important details like what's happening on the borrder, in our environment with the EPA gutting, with our courts, and all the kleptocracy going on. It's very discouraging.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:34 PM

59. Basically, they've become enablers by their lack of coverage. We need help! Voice of

America for America. I'm afraid it's going to get worse before better.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:28 PM

92. Drastic deteriorating situations call for drastic measures. Very few

are in a position to do anything about it but Trump must be stopped now. We all know what must happen. Trump is the head of the snake but it's still a snake.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:06 PM

11. if only it were so easy to ride to victory on a wave of pro-union, pro-healthcare, pro-sanity votes

the most ill-willed among us always seem to be hyper-motivated in adequate numbers to have their say
someday, perhaps, progressives will come forth in greater numbers to take the reins of government from the quick-fix cowards.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:19 PM

12. Unfortunately roughly half the population only cares about themselves,

while the rest of US be damned!

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:31 PM

17. and half of that half is dead wrong about what would actually help their short-sighted selves

so damned the rest of us will remain.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:09 PM

62. When millions are fed an exclusive diet of Fox News

is it any wonder they’re full of hate and propaganda?

We’ve been watching it happen for decades. No one should talk about being surprised.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #62)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:13 AM

71. +1

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:53 PM

23. I've known forever that in a democracy, it will happen because first we elect the despot

Long before I was born, it was said that fascism would come to America wrapped in the Flag and carrying a Bible.

Never forget: we elected Obama, we elected Hillary.

It took a huge malignant subversion to get Trump into the WH instead of Hillary, but it was done by means of our open society, and our trust in all our systems being operated in good faith.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:13 PM

32. it's not easy at all.

but donnie didn't just materialize out of the blue (unfortunate metaphor, out of the red would work better...).

conservative think tanks, right-wing billionaires, hate radio and foxnews paved the way over the course of decades. there has been a right-wing effort going back over four decades to corrupt our democracy and our media, to discredit facts and logic and to make it all about horse races and personalities and marketing catchphrases and gotcha outrage and manufactured scandal.

donnie is merely the obvious outcome of that concerted effort.

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Response to unblock (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:32 PM

50. Yes

We've been heading in this direction for a long time. Trump was not some freak accident, the way has been paved for such a leader over many years.

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Response to unblock (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:14 AM

72. Yes, exactly. I think a lot of people don't think about the power of propaganda.

The conservative juggernaut has known for decades. Goebbels in Nazi Germany certainly knew.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:46 PM

39. an ass-kissing congress makes it pretty damned easy.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:17 PM

46. And how many stupid people would say things like,

“We need to suspend the 2020 elections because illegals might vote.” I mean, really?

People as a whole are dumb. Even the holocaust could easily happen again.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:55 AM

86. It's very simple: People use his presidency for their own gain ... Christian Evangelicals for one.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:48 PM

3. " But the fourth component of malignant narcissism is sadism. You see it in everything he does, from

This is a term I never see discussed.


...This is what I have described as a “malignant reality.” Trump, the Republican Party, and their supporters’ sadism is a key part of it.

The sadism is very important. When I first started talking about Trump as a malignant narcissist, people could see the narcissism, the paranoia and the antisocial element. But the fourth component of malignant narcissism is sadism. You see it in everything he does, from the separating of the children at the border to how Trump tortures anyone who doesn’t give him what he wants. There’s a way in which he takes a kind of manic glee in causing harm and pain and humiliation to other people.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:53 PM

6. Yep, definitely, sadism is a key part of his behavior. This explained it well to me. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:36 PM

19. Yes, the examples were spot-on. I was referring to the actual word-sadism--I have not

head it on the cable news. Probably there but I missed it.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:37 PM

38. That is flagrantly in evidence in Trump, Sessions, Pence... nt

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:36 PM

52. +1. Trump delights in watching people suffer and constantly tries to find ways to make people suffer

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:53 AM

74. Growling, "You're fired!"

Brought him a lot of Fame and Fortune. It did that, because a lot of people seem to enjoy watching other people suffer.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:58 PM

9. I have been screaming this since he announced his presidential bid.

I'm gobsmacked by how many people don't see it. It's so fucking obvious!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:42 PM

21. I did too...

my family and friends would sort of brushing it off as being silly. But they also knew that I could be correct so they didn't completely dismiss the idea. They realistically knew I was not being completely ridiculous and they were a little scared that I was right.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:02 PM

10. I think he's been this way his whole life

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Response to elias7 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:23 PM

14. The difference now is he has the position and power


to cause harm on a massive scale. The GOP members of Congress are doing nothing to stop him or even hold him back a bit. In fact, they are aiding and abetting him. So for that reason, they should be held accountable when the day of reckoning comes. As bad as it is, it is not all his fault. They should be doing something to protect the citizens of the world from this monster run amok.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:28 PM

35. And that is the big question: Why aren't the US reps exercising their authority? Paid off?

NT, but of course. There is no other explanation. Perhaps throw in a bit of blackmail...

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Response to erronis (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:29 PM

48. #NRAROUBLES and Kompromat

The former becomes the latter.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:37 PM

64. Agreed.

My only point was that I don’t think we need to invoke any mental deterioration here. I think he’s been severely mentally defective his whole life. The term malignant narcissism has been thrown around, accurately I think. Some combination of narcissistic personality disorder and anti-social personality disorder (sociopath).

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Response to elias7 (Reply #64)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:14 AM

69. You won't get an argument from me regarding his jackassery for his entire life.


😵. Any number of people have verified that he was a holy terror even as a kid. No wonder daddy had him shuffled off to military school. He was just a really bad seed from the moment he came into this world. Nothing has happened in his 72 years to change that. He has simply worked his way up the chain to where he is now and can inflict maximum pain on anyone he chooses to hurt. He said it. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters. Will no one stop the megalomaniac?? So far? No. But his day is coming. I HAVE to believe that. It is what keeps me sane and allows me to sleep at night.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:21 PM

13. K&R

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:28 PM

15. It's imperative that Dems regain power in November

GOP will do nothing to stand in this megalomaniac's way.

We need to win.

BIGLY.

Both the House and Senate.

It's America's only hope.

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Response to axm (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:29 PM

49. Yes

GOTV

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:29 PM

16. --- and he needs a psychiatric degree to come up with this?

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:36 PM

18. Maybe? Maybe? He's dropped off the edge a long time ago!

Along with his batshit crazy supporters.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:38 PM

20. His hundred million followers are way past the boundary

What are we going to do about them?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:59 PM

25. Our only recourse and remedy.... Out vote them come election time.

By major margins we must our vote them.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:43 PM

22. When I read today that his approval polling is at roughly 50% - and climbing, I was chilled.

Who are the roughly new 20% or so of people in this country who are now rooting for him? I'm stunned. It's worse than horrific. It's terrifying. Is this the Mueller effect? Is it just fatigue over this unbelievably critical issue? It's the single most important issue in the country's history, and people are just shrugging it off and wanting to slap this motherfucker on the back.

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Response to Texin (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:31 PM

36. I don't believe your numbers without a citation. And I don't believe them in any case.

Hey, Texin - stuff like this smells like trying to start a internecine fight.

Not sayin' but without some good facts to back it up it just looks like blowin' smoke.

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Response to Texin (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:54 PM

41. What poll was it that reported this? The reason I ask is because of this-

make NO mistake, figures, reality, etc are being manipulated and flat out lied about to try to convince the world that what people see all around them,( the loathing, hatred & recoiling that just about every living thing has for this bunch), is NOT reality. Don't swallow this nonsense because it smells too much like the same fuqqery that was happening during bush the simple's regime & during 2016 election.

Their grip on the narrative is becoming more & more threadbare with each passing day & it makes perfect sense that they would start to push the fallacy that more & more people are approving of the thing in the WH.

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Response to Texin (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:01 PM

44. 538's aggregate of polls has him at 41%. Rasmussen is an outlier.

Anything above 0 is inexcusable.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:56 AM

91. If you were to say 41% were not very well informed or partially illiterate then it would make sense

Some people also like to give credit to a person they see moving around and doing things. The problem is corporate media, even on the default, when they not giving people gross falsehoods, is so completely camped in the notion of not hurting any potential advertisers senses they will hardly report anything difficult. It's all about the old adage, happy news for happy people.


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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:55 PM

24. I read that. "On the boundary of psychosis and reality."

OK, in other words, he's a Republican. But we already knew that.

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Response to DFW (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:03 PM

29. Exactly! 🙏

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:01 PM

26. I've said it several times---that trump actually delights in

making any person or group miserable. He must spend hours deciding which to stab in the back. I just didn't think of the word, sadist. Fits perfectly. This latest of separating children from parents at the border ---- what could be worse? He's sure to find something.....

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:01 PM

27. As narcissists age

they sense a loss of power, youth, vigor, attractiveness, and mental acuity that causes them to compensate in other ways to maintain their grandiose sense of self. Their entire waking hours from opening their eyes in the morning is to rally the psychic energy to perpetuate their sense of awe and wonder that they, and (they think) the whole world, has for themselves. It is very tiring to summon all that greatness together each day!

Diminishing circulation, mental skills, and alertness mean the delusions of grandeur must be formulated in a mental fog. That's where we are now. What's on paper doesn't matter, what the other party thought in negotiations doesn't matter; the only thing that matters is that the principal thinks greatness is increased each day and every hour!

Think of the things we don't know. Medications. Diseases. Rants and raves. Frankly I think Borderline Personality is mixed in because of the number of boundaries that have been breached in life, but no one ever mentions it. Just look at the symptoms and see if at least a few fit rather well:

https://www.psycom.net/depression.central.borderline.html

Having an unstable or dysfunctional self-image or a distorted sense of self (how one feels about one’s self)
Feelings of isolation, boredom and emptiness
Difficulty feeling empathy for others
A history of unstable relationships that can change drastically from intense love and idealization to intense hate
A persistent fear of abandonment and rejection, including extreme emotional reactions to real and even perceived abandonment
Intense, highly changeable moods that can last for several days or for just a few hours
Strong feelings of anxiety, worry and depression
Impulsive, risky, self-destructive and dangerous behaviors, including reckless driving, drug or alcohol abuse and having unsafe sex
Hostility

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:48 PM

61. Unfortunately, there's no medication for narcissism or borderline personality disorder. I work with

people with Schizophrenia mostly and people in my field would much rather work with them any day over the dreaded borderline patient. There is no rhyme or reason to anything they do and not much that works with them counseling-wise. With most, their main goal is to get as much attention as they possibly can and they WILL take you down if they don't like you.

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Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #61)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:33 AM

89. If you want to slap someone you haven't met yet,

it's safe to assume they're borderline. I'd rather take a bullet than deal with them.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:01 PM

28. Thanks for the flash, Gordon.

He actually crossed that boundary a long, long time ago. Glad you're finally noticing it, though.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:03 PM

30. original article is at Salon

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/13/psychologist-john-gartner-on-trumps-behavior-its-a-coup-thats-not-moving-slowly-anymore/

Trump's political movement meets the criteria for a political cult. You are a psychologist. Is it possible to reach someone who is stuck in Trump's cult? Why does he have such influence over these people?

It does meet the criteria. You've got the charismatic leader, and his followers subsume their identity into his group, which makes them feel larger and more powerful. Once you have that kind of blind belief and loyalty, the leader, as Donald Trump has said, could really shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and nothing would happen. The cognitive dissonance is such that the cult members will rationalize anything. For example, something like 50 percent of Republicans say that if Trump wanted to cancel the 2020 election, that would be fine with them.

He is actually the second most popular Republican president in the history of modern polling.

Yes, that's right. It's really shocking and frightening. It's shocking and frightening in a way that just makes you feel like you're on some kind of bad acid trip.


much more at link

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:09 PM

31. Call it what it what it is -- Fascism

I have been saying for a long time that we need to constantly call it what it is - Neo-Fascism. More and more, we need to label and paint all the anti-democratic, neo-Fascist behaviors and policies as Fascist. We need to stick the Fascist label on them with the biggest glue gun we can find.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:14 PM

33. he's clearly on the psychosis side. the question is, can he drag america there with him.

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Response to unblock (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:34 PM

37. He can drag a good portion of the US with him. I swear, a good number of Americans are as

far off their rocker as he is. And that is what's really scary, the support he maintains.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:58 PM

42. "cultivated ignorance" (from the article)

Republicans speaking out against Trump won't admit this, as it would mean they were complicit, but Trump is the almost inevitable result of 50 years of Southern Strategy/dog whistling, race-based gerrymandering, race-based voter suppression, jingosim, anti-intellectualism, etc.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:18 PM

34. Substantial organic cognitive decline

45's term in office could be summarized as Exponential Deterioration

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:49 PM

40. But . . . he's a billionaire!

Ah reckon he's the smartest fella that ever lived. Got him a solid gold elevator and he can just about have any gal he feels like.
An' he's a billionaire - a genuine self made billionaire. Started out with nothin'. Didn't get it all off of his daddy like them Kennedy boys!
An' he's buildin' that damn wall, and sortin' out mah doctor bills!
An' tan mah hide if'n he ain't cutting the hell outta' mah taxes so I git a shot at being a winner too!

Tell ya' what - his brain's so chock full 'o' smarts, it ain't surprisin' he forgits stuff every now and then. What with fixin' the USA and protecting our guns and makin' all of that money, anybody'd forgit stuff.

Hell, at least he ain't fallin' over on the sidewalk like Killary*


*insert irrational and/or crazy character assassination on Mrs Clinton to complete . . .

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Response to Klee Music (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:32 PM

51. A billionaire with a negative sign in front of it.

...and who owns the negative sign? Putin!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #51)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:44 AM

85. Bingo!

You got that right. But the knuckle-dragging self-abusers are yet to get on board.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:59 PM

43. Boundary my a$$

That horse done bolt

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:03 PM

45. Trump is unfit to be POTUS

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:39 PM

53. i think...

… he's been in "cognitive decline" all during his campaign and presidency.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:58 PM

55. Trump might be a paranoid schizophrenic with a persecution complex, among other psychoses,

like his hero, Adolph Hitler.

Ivana Trump said that "Donald kept a book of Hitler's speeches near his bedside."
Trump responded to that accusation by saying:
"If I had these speeches, and I'm not saying that I do, I would never read them."
(Business Insider, September 1, 2015)

From Metro (UK), April 12, 2018
"New Book Claims Hitler was 'Paranoid Schizophrenic' with a Persecution Complex"
Dr. Andrew Norman's new book, "Hitler's Insanity: A Conspiracy of Silence" sheds new light on the mass murdering dictator's mental health.
"He began showing symptoms in his twenties which is consistent with schizophrenia"

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:59 PM

63. I tend to think Trump would more likely have paranoid personality disorder. Schizophrenics don't

usually have the social ability to be able to manipulate people and to "figure out" people to the extent that Trump does. In addition, most schizophrenics will have had episodes of hearing voices, having visual hallucinations at some point in their lives. They are not usually as bombastic or extroverted as Trump. They would usually be fearful or not enjoy speaking in front of a large crowd.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:58 PM

56. Yes, Trump is quite insane, no question. NOW WHAT?

How many articles can one read that inform us of the danger our "president" poses to America and the world? How many mental health professionals have gone on record to say he's unbalanced?

And yet, there he sits, strapped in the catbird seat, atop the pile of diplomatic and Constitution-destroying rubble he and his weirdo-pals have made, with a majority of Republicans backing him. Everyone on the right wing is infatuated with their rude, crude, insane leader.

So now what? Republicans will do NOTHING about this menace except praise him to the skies. All branches of the federal government are under one-party rule (just the way fascists like it). It's up to Democrats alone to slay this dragon.

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:27 PM

57. He is on the edge of

sanity and the DMZ.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:43 PM

65. Do we really

want this POS to take us all down?????

Excellent article and very true.


There are many thoughts floating around in our heads...………………..sigh...…...we are encountering some very evil people/cult.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:23 PM

66. The problems with the President's mental state are more serious than "cognitive decline"

just say'n

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:30 PM

67. I hope he's dead on. Yeah, I think that, too..

no souls.. just ghouls.

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Response to Cha (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:09 AM

77. I just hope hes dead.

Maggot that is.
I wish him a lovely birthday laying in state.....

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:17 AM

70. Has he spoken to Trump and make this evaluation based on a one-on-one conversation?

Last edited Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:17 AM - Edit history (1)

If not, it's worthless.

Also, Raw Story stole this article from Salon and gave it a click bait headline (as is their wont).

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Response to oberliner (Reply #70)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:16 AM

73. Exactly

Doesn't sound very scientific to me either. Doesn't look like a standard mental status exam either.

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Response to soryang (Reply #73)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:53 AM

76. A standardized battery of cognitive and projective evaluations would not necessarily be definitive.

For Donald Trump's and the Republics/public protection hospitalization with a full evaluation would be helpful. Taking an MMPI, Rosarch, or Wechsler battery would prove little over his actual behavior and statements.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:34 AM

78. Who will have the nerve to stage "Donald Trump Superstar" off-Broadway?

The album has been playing in my mind, and with a few tweaks here and there, it would stand a good chance of (1) being a hit, (2) being sued for copyright infringement, or (3) being firebombed. Probably all three.

Tell me, Trump, how you feel tonight
Do you plan to put up a fight?
Do you feel that you've had the breaks?
What would you say were your big mistakes?...

Every time I look at you I don't understand
Why'd you let the things you did get so out of hand?...

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:10 AM

82. "Republican politicians are completely lost souls. They are like the characters in a zombie movie

who keep their father in the basement because they don’t really understand that he is a zombie."

That's a very generous interpretation. I think it is far more likely that Republicans in Congress are craven, greedy, immoral, opportunistic, weaklings along for the ride. They are betting that this will benefit them personally more than it will harm them, as long as they don't turn on Trump. They don't give a shit about the country.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #82)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:18 AM

84. Yep, the GOP congress knows which side of their bread is buttered. They will stick with

him as long as they smell money, power and opportunities that benefit them personally. Many IMO are just like Trump. He says what they think.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:17 AM

83. There's probably a Star Trek episode somewhere concerning a little boy raised on a holodeck.

Such a story doesn't end with the boy being made captain of a ship.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #83)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:55 AM

87. File under - you can't make it up.

There's a line in a Greg Lake song: 'The Christmas we get we deserve.' Applies to the collective lurch the civilized world has taken toward the hard right.

Star Trek tried to explain the fall of Rome and the rise of Hitler by allegorical plot lines, but only the subprime madness and our failure (present company excepted) to jail the bankers, kicked off the screaming nosedive into the giant gold plated toilet that some would call The Donald . . .

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:21 AM

88. WTF is up with registered Republicans that they selected him

as a candidate in the first place? Those people's heads are messed up too.

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:33 AM

90. It's damn scary, in fact frightening that we have so many in the US supporting this guy.

The GOP politicians support him because they are cut from the same piece of cloth. He says what they think, and they feel they are getting a piece of the action. They don't give a damn about the country now or its future. The voters, most of them have no F'en idea what's going on. We are truly in the land of Idiocracy now.

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