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Wed Jun 13, 2018, 04:55 AM

What does interracial marriage mean?

Is there any other race I haven't heard of?

If I say no, there's no other race, I'm not taking any chances, am I?

Then why use a formulation both false and ridiculous, to name a union between two people of different color ?

After all, when I cook peppers of different colors, I don't say, “Here's an inter-vegetable dish.”

So why should we make a meaningless distinction when talking about human beings?

The question has occurred to me, after reading this thread :

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210727163

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Reply What does interracial marriage mean? (Original post)
syringis Jun 2018 OP
Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #1
thesquanderer Jun 2018 #8
syringis Jun 2018 #19
Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #2
LuvNewcastle Jun 2018 #7
DFW Jun 2018 #3
Soxfan58 Jun 2018 #4
syringis Jun 2018 #20
lindysalsagal Jun 2018 #5
Dennis Donovan Jun 2018 #9
JI7 Jun 2018 #6
Boomer Jun 2018 #12
paleotn Jun 2018 #10
Pacifist Patriot Jun 2018 #11
phleshdef Jun 2018 #13
LexVegas Jun 2018 #15
syringis Jun 2018 #17
LexVegas Jun 2018 #14
syringis Jun 2018 #16
maxsolomon Jun 2018 #18
brooklynite Jun 2018 #21
syringis Jun 2018 #26
LanternWaste Jun 2018 #22
Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #28
syringis Jun 2018 #33
Iggo Jun 2018 #23
Orsino Jun 2018 #24
malaise Jun 2018 #25
Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #27
syringis Jun 2018 #29
ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #38
sdfernando Jun 2018 #30
dembotoz Jun 2018 #31
MineralMan Jun 2018 #32
syringis Jun 2018 #34
MineralMan Jun 2018 #35
syringis Jun 2018 #36
MineralMan Jun 2018 #37
hunter Jun 2018 #39
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2018 #40

Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:01 AM

1. Race is but a convenient construct

Developed to keep the melanin deficient in charge over those that are blessed with more melanin...

There is only the human race...anything else is a construct meant to seperate.

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:22 AM

8. Right. That's why I never liked the words "racism" and "racist"...

...because they imply an acceptance of the concept that we actually are not all the same race, which biologically, we are. I've always thought better words for biases against darker skinned people would be "colorism" and "colorist." It's more accurate, plus it makes more clear how silly and arbitrary the distinction really is.

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:34 AM

19. Yes, but not a good one



This : "anything else is a construct meant to seperate."

You hit the nail on the head.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:01 AM

2. Good question...

… the answer is that we really have only one race. In the future, everyone will be "mixed race" - maybe we are, already.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:35 AM

7. We are.

Most people in the world have some Neanderthal and/or Denisovan in them. That's what I call a different race -- other branches of the Homo tree. I don't think of colors as being synonymous with race. Black, white, Asian, Melanesian, or whatever are just variations of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:03 AM

3. It means whatever it is made to mean by the prevailing culture, I think

The Russian poet, Alyeksandr Pushkin was proud of his partial African heritage and features, and history doesn't record much being made of what had to have been the interracial marriages of his ancestors. My brother is one half of an interracial marriage because his wife is considered to be of another race by both their societies. Were it not for that, only her accent would have been the distinction.

Their sons have facial features that heavily favor their mother, but are culturally as American as we are. I have no idea what box they check when confronted with the occasional form that asks the person filling it out for "race."

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:07 AM

4. It will be a great day

When skin color is just as important as hair and eye color. I can see that day coming when I see children playing. They don't see color, they see a playmate.

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Response to Soxfan58 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:54 AM

20. Hi Soxfan

Yes, it will be great day.

Education is the key point.

Words are powerful. As you said, kids don't see color but a playmate. To keep them on this way, We should not point something non-existent.


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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:10 AM

5. Maga + Berner....

Just saying.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:43 AM

9. What does that mean?

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:11 AM

6. culturally/socially it matters

maybe one day it wont .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:01 AM

12. Exactly this

Racism is a real concept, not a construct, because there are so many people who are racists, but even more importantly because laws and institutions in this country support racism. Racism is not just random bigotry practiced by assholes; it's a structural system that perpetuates harm against individuals of color.

Terms like "inter-racial" marriage are still important because the experience of being married changes if you're part of an inter-racial couple. Within memory, it wasn't even legal. Inter-racial couples face discrimination and abuse, challenges that other couples do not. Having a term to explain why those things are STILL happening to them is important. Take away the term for it and you erase acknowledgment of the reason behind that abuse.

Being black is more than just a darker shade of skin color. It is intricably entwined with a rich cultural history, as well as the harsh realities of what it means to be an oppressed minority. Erasing that heritage in some vast "mixed-color" melting pot is not the solution to racism. We can recognize "race" as a short-hand unscientific term for different cultures/histories/traditions and celebrate those differences, respect them, not erase them.


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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:51 AM

10. Like many human constructs...

the idea of interracial doesn't exist in reality. If anything, we're a very inbred species. Even our primate cousins show far more genetic diversity than Homo sapiens. Of course, some humans, like the Huckabee clan, are more inbred than others.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:54 AM

11. I will never forget my high school government teacher back in 1986.

Someone made a comment about interracial dating and he stopped class to give us a lecture on humanity and "our glorious wonderful genetic variation that small-minded people refer to as 'race'."

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:05 AM

13. Yea, lets pretend like race isn't an actual "thing"...

...then we can ignore stuff like racism and institutional oppression of minorities.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:43 AM

15. Yep. nt

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:30 AM

17. I'm not pretending, I'm asking

If I was ignoring racism or minorities oppression, I wouldn't ask.

We have to start somewhere. A good start would be to remember the power of the words and thus, to avoid distinction where it is unnecessary.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:43 AM

14. You probably also complain about the term "anti-Semitic" as well. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:23 AM

16. what's your point ? N/T

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:33 AM

18. It means they's MISCAGENATED.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:58 AM

21. So, you'd be happy to remove Race as a protected civil rights class, since it's not necessary?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:02 PM

26. Hi Brooklynite

It is not the word itself that is problematic but its use.

Removing the word has no meaning, however, insisting on the fact there is only one race, one and only one is important.

Words are powerful and if they are taught right from childhood, we can, at least if not eradicate xenophobia, move in the right direction.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:05 PM

22. What do national borders mean?

What do national borders mean?

Then why use a formulation both false and ridiculous, to name a disunion between two like-regions?

After all, when I look at pictures of the planet, I don't say, “there's the demarcation between Canada and Alaska.”

So why should we make a meaningless distinction when talking about the planet?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:14 PM

28. Borders define taxation, laws, and property ownership

The more interesting question is why we need a wall between Mexico and the US to define a border, but not between Maryland and West Virginia.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:06 PM

33. Hi LanternWaste

The comparison is not relevant.

However, borders are no longer meaningful in our globalized world, but it is another subject. We can open another thread and discuss it further.

Differentiating humans on the basis of an imaginary multitude of races is harmful.

I once again mention the power of words. Words have to be given their meaning and used adequately.

Once we hammer the existence of a single human race, we will move in the right direction to end xenophobia.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:07 PM

23. Because bigots use skin color to decide who to hate/hurt/kill.

Can't get away from that by cancelling a word or the definition of a word.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:52 PM

24. It may be ridiculous, but it's not false.

It's a significant qualifier precisely because so many undies get bunched over it, because so many haters keep othering it.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:54 PM

25. Racists came up with all sorts of words

to fuel their hatred of others

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:12 PM

27. What does it mean? Vulcans marrying Humans!!!

Didn't you ever watch Star Trek?

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:22 PM

29. Hi Algernon Moncrieff

I loved the show when I was a kid!

You just gave the exact definition for interracial marriage.


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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:59 PM

38. Or Even Klingons

In Voyager, the Klingon woman married the human guy.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:24 PM

30. It means nothing to me.

Everyone is so intermingled now (as all those DNA test prove) that it is just marriage now...plain and simple.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:45 PM

31. i ran into problems years ago about not being christian enough for wife fundy friends

anybody can be an asshole

i was too methodist for them.....

one couple in particular was upset because we were supposedly unevenly yoked......
i thought it had to do with eggs

any subgroup that tries to demonstrate an elitist self image is an area for concern

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:53 PM

32. Even as a youngster, I pledged never to marry outside of the human race.

I'm proud to say I have never broken that pledge.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:40 PM

34. Hi MineralMan, how are you ?

Because you've never met an alien, who knows?

You might have changed your mind !

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Response to syringis (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:42 PM

35. I'm good.

You're right, although I've met some very, very strange human females during my relatively long life.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:53 PM

36. Not only females...

How do you call the strange human (?? ) male who's squatting the Oval Office ?

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Response to syringis (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:55 PM

37. I've never met him, but I wouldn't find him to be a suitable mate.

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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:37 PM

39. I've got some personal experience with this.

My White Wyoming Wild West grandpa, married a White Wild West San Francisco girl, had fits that I was marrying, in his words, "a Mexican girl." Men in his family simply did not do that. He boycotted our wedding. (To his credit he got over it before he passed...)

My wife has Native American heritage. Her U.S. Southwest ancestors were driven into Mexico by the U.S. Army and later returned to their ancestral homelands as farm worker "immigrants." My wife's dad was born in a farm labor camp within easy walking distance of a small farm my parents once owned, and a place my grandfather had boarded his horses.

Race is a very real thing with serious consequences to those who believe they are of some sort of superior race.

That's why we can't ignore it.

I've very little patience for "colorblind" political ideologies. Most are championed by people who haven't yet recognized their own racist tendencies.



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Response to syringis (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:42 PM

40. I find this line of discussion to often be needlessly pedantic and distracting from the larger

issue.

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