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Tue Jun 12, 2018, 05:42 AM

This Summit is a huge Mistake - My take.

The question is in all of this is who benefits from what Trump is doing?

Quite Clearly, the Chinese and the Russians, Trump is acting against the interests of the country and wants his own piece of it, hence his comment of "I see NK's beautiful beaches and many condos in its future"...Seriously, is this all a business deal for Trump to make money?

He wants to cancel the Wargames in SK and removes troops while rambling on nonsensically for 65 minutes uteering rubbish after rubbish.

Who benefits from that, The Chinese and the Russians would have a major force of power removed from the region. This will have state dept and intel community spinning.

Trump handed a huge PR win for Kim. He has escalated a murdering psychopath that enslaves his own people on the world stage as a legitimate leader. This is beyond disgusting. He calls him honorable above our allies.

He took another side swipe at Trudeau in the same breath and sold the South Koreans down the river.

The document itself is flimsy and has no bones to it, its bullshit, its ,lets talk about talks about talks and has been done before.

Trump then admitted if nothing happens in 6 months, he wont admit he was wrong and will lie about the reasons. Yes, he actually said that.

Kim got everything, Trump gave away the store, the language used in the document is the North Korean language for denuclearisation.

We were right, this was set up by Trump's owners, the Russians and the chinese.
Kim gets to keep his nukes, he gets the americans out of SK, he gets elevated to the world stage.

This is nothing short of a sham and a clusterfuck and Trump has led this world into disarray.

China will be happy with this summit
Russia will be estatic
Our Allies are dismayed.

That alone tells me everything I need to know as to what happened here.

He frankly needs arresting for Treason and put the security of the US under threat.

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Reply This Summit is a huge Mistake - My take. (Original post)
sunonmars Jun 12 OP
Sedona Jun 12 #1
Achilleaze Jun 12 #2
sunonmars Jun 12 #3
DownriverDem Jun 12 #24
Duppers Jun 12 #4
sunonmars Jun 12 #5
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 12 #6
sunonmars Jun 12 #7
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 12 #8
sunonmars Jun 12 #9
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 12 #11
sunonmars Jun 12 #12
FakeNoose Jun 12 #22
N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 12 #10
Roy Rolling Jun 12 #13
duforsure Jun 12 #14
sunonmars Jun 12 #15
Dulcinea Jun 12 #16
JI7 Jun 12 #18
jayschool2013 Jun 12 #17
Nitram Jun 12 #19
gademocrat7 Jun 12 #20
HopeAgain Jun 12 #21
Towlie Jun 12 #23

Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 05:47 AM

1. Get thee to the greatest page posthaste

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 05:54 AM

2. republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief: Making America Retreat Again (MARA)

While he dreams of selling condos and counting money. So shallow. Time for Dirty Donny (R) to go home and lick his sore thumb.

Sad.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 05:57 AM

3. This con job summit has made my blood boil.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:40 AM

24. Reminds me of Nixon

Nixon went to China, but he was still a crook. trump went to N Korea, but he is still a crook. It's been shown that voters do not base their votes on foreign policy. They vote domestic issues. Let's hope that holds true in November.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:22 AM

4. Again, had this been any Democratic president

We'd be hearing the repubs' of screams "traitor."



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Response to Duppers (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:32 AM

5. like they were screaming about Obama.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:51 AM

6. Agreed. China does not want reunification and....

will not allow it. I suspect they will fight hard to limit any Westernization of NK.

Further, watered-down American presence in SK aids theirs and Russia's power in the waterways around Japan. I also don't believe Kim will really give up his nukes - he will just hide them.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:52 AM

7. Yeah giving that concession of removing wargames and military presence is beyond suspect.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 06:57 AM

8. That one may stir up some volatile shit in Congress!

Hawks will be coming out of the woodwork, I suspect.....

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:04 AM

9. I'm not banking on it. I don't understand Bolton in all this.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:18 AM

11. Yes, I'm sure Kim didn't take well to Bolton being there.

He was probably brought along to be the pit bull. And I heard rumors they brought Hannity along as a friendly face for Russian news coverage.

IMO, we can bet Bolton has a very sinister Plan "B" in mind for when Kim fails to allow full nuclear inspections, etc....

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:30 AM

12. Bolton is an uberhawk, unless he expects to be doomed in which case he gets the bombs.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:35 AM

22. Kim needs money and he's not getting it from China

... maybe he thinks Trump will give him $US foreign aid? I don't know but it sure seems possible.
Just think how many prisons he could build with Trump-dollars.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:04 AM

10. K & R...

Its bizzaro world today and were trying our best to live through it. (Correction) This is the bizzaro world version of bizzaro world. No wonder suicides are up 33% here in Michigan.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:34 AM

13. One More Beneficiary

The treasonous Trump supporters. It affirms their alignment with another ruthless dictator. The GOP is a fraud, they kiss-ass to Putin, Kim Jong, Erdagon, Duerete and oppose our allies.

Now they have a worldwide coalition of dangerous idiots.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:35 AM

14. What probably happened...

Trump gave Kim everything , and is now wanting to remove all troops in SK, and let him do as he pleases in exchange for business deals to build another tower , and to produce at a much cheaper costs of products he and his daughter manufactures, or basically for him and his family to profit from. That's what this is probably all about, himself , not anything good for our country, or SK or Japan.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 07:38 AM

15. yup....

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Response to duforsure (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:07 AM

16. This.

NK is a yuuuge untapped market full of places & things Dolt 45 can put his name on. He's running out of people he can do business with, so why not North Korea?

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Response to duforsure (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:09 AM

18. Yup, it's all about the business deals.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:08 AM

17. Yeah, well

At least we got Canada to finally surrender! (Sarcasm thingy goes here).

(And thanks)

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:17 AM

19. This was just another episode in Donnie does the White House.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:25 AM

20. Another disastrous display of incompetentence by Chump.

What a travesty. He is a treason weasel. Giving a brutal dictator credence on the world stage. No thought or understanding of how he is putting South Korea in harms way.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:29 AM

21. Trump's calculation

To fight Trump we must understand Trump. He is not bogged down by objective facts, but exists in a mindset of subjective reality -- the world of the con (most pure salesmen are con men to some degree). The actual effect of the Summit with NK is unimportant to him as long as it isn't so objectively bad that he can't simply sell it as good.

By way of example, look ar the ACA (labled by the right as "Obamacare" ). Millions who did not have coverage got affordable coverage but that didn't matter. He called it horrible and pointed to existing deficiencies (perceived as much as real) and repeatedly sold it as terrible. He then further sold that idea of it as a bad thing, by promising a better system without offering details or acknowledging the complexity of the situation. Many Americans bought into this false subjectivism and his arrogant claim that only he could see through the difficulties and fix it, The average MAGAt doesn't have the attention span to see the actual result of dropping the mandate or not funding the subsidies.

He will do the same with NK. No matter what really happens with denuclearization, he will endlessly tweet about the progress he made that no other President could make. In fact, he has aleeady started doing that. If he convinced Kim to stop testing, but lets him keep building nukes, he will tweet endlessly how the testing has stopped. At the very least, he will tweet about his great progress in meeting with a difficult NK leader that no other President could (when in reality it was "would" ) meet with. If the talks go nowhere from here or end badly, he will simply attack Kim and blame his predecessors as having been weak. Trump is convinced he can sell this as a win and unless resistance becomes more effective in demonstrating it is not, I'm not convinced he can't.

He is a master of repackaging reality into falsehoods and we have not found a sufficiently effective way to fight it.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:39 AM

23. Attacks the leader of Canada, snuggles up with the leader of North Korea.

I think he's setting himself up for the time-tested Republican "don't change horses in mid-stream" argument that won G.W. Bush his second term. If we're in lots of trouble then even though it's all his fault, voters will figure we're stuck with him.

With the caveat that "bitch" in this context alludes to a prison term meaning submissive cellmate, and has nothing to do with women, I'd say Trump is Putin's Little Bitch.

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