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Mon Jun 11, 2018, 03:46 PM

OF COURSE HE DID.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/la-na-pol-sessions-asylum-20180611-story.html



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Reply OF COURSE HE DID. (Original post)
kpete Jun 2018 OP
lame54 Jun 2018 #1
renate Jun 2018 #27
nature-lover Jun 2018 #2
Bettie Jun 2018 #3
LSFL Jun 2018 #26
CincyDem Jun 2018 #4
Caliman73 Jun 2018 #8
House of Roberts Jun 2018 #5
Caliman73 Jun 2018 #6
fallout87 Jun 2018 #7
CincyDem Jun 2018 #10
Volaris Jun 2018 #17
Hamlette Jun 2018 #19
CincyDem Jun 2018 #25
Hamlette Jun 2018 #29
Fred Sanders Jun 2018 #22
2naSalit Jun 2018 #24
House of Roberts Jun 2018 #11
Hamlette Jun 2018 #20
gibraltar72 Jun 2018 #9
orangecrush Jun 2018 #12
RandomAccess Jun 2018 #13
Volaris Jun 2018 #18
PaulX2 Jun 2018 #14
IronLionZion Jun 2018 #15
calimary Jun 2018 #16
dflprincess Jun 2018 #21
BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2018 #23
SomethingNew Jun 2018 #28

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 03:48 PM

1. MS-13 will love this

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Response to lame54 (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 10:28 PM

27. exactly! This is like an early Christmas present to abusers and gangs

This country is turning to shit before our eyes.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 03:50 PM

2. Is this a strategy so that he can be fired and it not look Mueller related?

So many evil policies. Makes me wonder.

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Response to nature-lover (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 03:59 PM

3. Nah, this is just

Old Beauregard living his dreams.

He gets to know that his actions have caused people to die. Makes him happy as a pig in mud.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 10:25 PM

26. pig in shit

Is how we say it in the South.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:02 PM

4. For my own education, does the AG "order" judges to do anything ?



Since when does the exec branch order the judiciary ? Is this some kind of interpretation of an executive finding or order ?

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:07 PM

8. See my reply #5 below

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:03 PM

5. Legislative, Executive and JUDICIAL.

Judges aren't part of the Executive branch. They don't take orders from Sessions.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:06 PM

6. Unfortunately that is not accurate.

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/immigration-judge

Immigration judges are appointed by the AG and under the Administrative branch.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:07 PM

7. The US AG has jurisdiction over this

"Unlike the federal judiciary system, the U.S. immigration courts fall under the Justice Departmentís jurisdiction, and the attorney general can intervene."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-asylum/u-s-attorney-general-curbs-asylum-for-immigrant-victims-of-violence-idUSKBN1J7246

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:10 PM

10. Got it - thanks y'all. Quick summary: Judicial branch for US Citizens, Exec for immigrants. n/t

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:14 PM

17. Well that strikes me as some bullshit...

If Constitutional Rights come from Gawd, and are only enforceable by the Government (the Republican argument), shouldn't our constitutional standards for who has jurisdiction apply to all Humans, EQUALLY? Or am I to accept that Human Rights only apply to WHITE Humans?
Oh wait Puerto Rico. got it.
Thanks, GOP.

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:19 PM

19. Not true either

Americans are subject to many administrative law judges (ALJ) depending on the cause of action. Workers' compensation, unemployment, public assistance, social security, Medicaid benefits are all decided by ALJs are all ALJs are part of the executive branch and not the judicial branch HOWEVER, all decisions by ALJs (or Immigration Judges, which are the same as ALJs but for...duh..immigration) can eventually be appealed to a "real court" on appeal. Either the state or federal court of appeals.

Sessions can issue opinions based on his interpretation of the law like he did here. If the law/regulation is clear, and Sessions is wrong, the IJ or ALJ is required to follow the law/regulation, not Sessions.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 10:07 PM

25. thanks.

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 11:03 PM

29. sure

I'm a lawyer and did admin law for 30 years. It's a fast, sort of down and dirty way to move cases through the system. I was the one who reviewed the decision of the ALJ to decide if it was right (or overturn it) and then defend the decision at the Court of Appeals.

You'd be surprised how many of us left leaners are in the system. I figured it was my job to tell the agency to turn left every time there was an option.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:41 PM

22. "Intervene" does not mean "order". Any AG can intervene, do an appeal for instance, but to

order judges seems not right at all...maybe we will here from the judges soon...and en mass resignation?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:57 PM

24. Or simple refusal to

give deference to it whether they openly say so or not.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:12 PM

11. Then why call them judges?

If they can be ordered to not consider the merits, case by case, they don't even fit the description of a real judge.

Not arguing, just pointing out a fallacy, as I see it.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:20 PM

20. They are called "Immigration Judges".

To lawyers its a different animal.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:08 PM

9. Who would have thought the Imperial Grand Wizard of the KKK

Would be a terrible human being?

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:33 PM

12. This

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:38 PM

13. Here's the deal --

 

Domestic abuse wasn't a crime HERE until we (women, mostly) made it so.

Thus, whether or not and how well any other country handles domestic violence is a political issue, not merely a crime issue. Since it IS a political issue, that should put it under our asylum laws.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:17 PM

18. I agree with you.

But since most Republicans wouldn't have domestic abuse be a crime HERE, you can guess the foundations for their counter-argument.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:43 PM

14. Republicans Are So Evil

 

So F-ing Evil.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:48 PM

15. Discouraging people from reporting these crimes

what an asshole

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 05:55 PM

16. Heartless Fuck!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:27 PM

21. So Jeff Sessions loves MS13?

Sounds like it to me.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:46 PM

23. Those ladies... Gol dang, what's their problem? Ah mean, I'VE never

Had that happen to ME. Ah caint reeelate atíall.

Ah can do whatever Ah want to them.
óBeauregardís thought process


Some grab p******, some commit murder of millions. In a nice white collar way, of course.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 10:46 PM

28. Having done some work with asylum seekers, I'm not sure how this is anything new.

I could be missing something here, and I'm certainly no expert on asylum law, but I've done some pro-bono legal work in the area and fleeing generalized violence, like gang violence, is not grounds for asylum. Domestic violence isn't either. The groups I've worked with trained us to try to frame the narrative such that those could be considered persecution based on a particular social group, but that has always been stretching the law to its limits and rarely works. The article discusses the inability of the Salvadoran government to protect the particular victim in that case. That is another element of the asylum application but isn't grounds on its own.

Sessions basically just says exactly that in the quoted material in the article. He didn't even issue a blanket bar on asylum for such individuals if its possible to fit it into one of the accepted groups.

I would like to see the laws opened up to allow more people to seek asylum in the US, but I don't really see how Sessions has changed policy at all with this.

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