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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:30 PM May 2018

What Moses Farrow FAILS to dispute in allegations against his sister Dylan

and Mia Farrow.

In addition to the points below, he pretends to have been present at the house that day, but the police report at the time show that he was not. So he was not in a position to dispute Dylan about what happened to her that afternoon.

Also, Dylan's brother, the journalist Ronan Farrow, supports her story -- and he was there that day, unlike Moses.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/05/moses-farrow-pens-essay-defending-woody-allen

Though the essay is a lengthy, articulate defense of Allen, it fails to disprove the facts about the sexual-abuse allegation that Vanity Fair contributor Maureen Orth compiled in her two decades of reporting, research, and extensive conversations with family members (including eight Farrow children), as well as authorities with knowledge of the alleged incident and aftermath. Moses does not address, for instance, the fact that “Allen had been in therapy for alleged inappropriate behavior toward Dylan with a child psychologist before the abuse allegation was presented to the authorities or made public.” Per Orth’s 1992 feature, Allen voluntarily sought treatment over two years for his alleged “‘inappropriate’ fatherly behavior toward Dylan”—several disturbing accounts of which are detailed in the report.

Though Moses paints the allegation as a claim manufactured by Mia and drilled into Dylan’s brain out of retribution, Moses does not discuss the fact that Mia never went to the police about the allegation. According to Orth, Mia’s “lawyer told her on August 5, 1992, to take the seven-year-old Dylan to a pediatrician, who was bound by law to report Dylan’s story of sexual violation to law enforcement and did so on August 6.” Even when Allen was in therapy, a family friend told Orth that Mia attempted to keep it out of the media: “She didn’t want Woody’s name tarnished,” the source said.

Moses also does not address the fact that Allen “refused to take a polygraph administered by the Connecticut state police” or explain why Allen instead “took one from someone hired by his legal team.” (Orth reported how the Connecticut state police refused to accept the test as evidence.) Moses claims that the attic—the scene of the alleged assault—was implausible because it was “an unfinished crawl space, under a steeply-angled gabled roof, with exposed nails and floorboards, billows of fiberglass insulation, filled with mousetraps and droppings and stinking of mothballs, and crammed with trunks full of hand-me-down clothes and my mother’s old wardrobes.” He does not explain why, then, according to Orth, “Allen changed his story about the attic where the abuse allegedly took place. First, Allen told investigators he had never been in the attic where the alleged abuse took place. After his hair was found on a painting in the attic, he admitted that he might have stuck his head in once or twice. A top investigator concluded that his account was not credible.”

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On Wednesday afternoon, Dylan Farrow responded to the essay, tweeting, “As I said when he last made these claims, this is an attempt to deflect from a credible allegation made by an adult woman, by trying to impugn my mother who has only ever been supportive of me and my siblings. It’s easily disproven, contradicts years of his own statements, is beyond hurtful to me personally, and is part of a larger effort to discredit and distract from my assault. My brother is a troubled person. I’m so sorry he’s doing this.”

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What Moses Farrow FAILS to dispute in allegations against his sister Dylan (Original Post) pnwmom May 2018 OP
Well Woody is forever grossed out for me personally over the Soon Yi thing. I don't care Kirk Lover May 2018 #1
I agree. He was the father figure in that household and he crossed a line with that teenager. pnwmom May 2018 #2
Would you similarly denounce Sinatra? Adenoid_Hynkel May 2018 #3
Was she Sinatras step daughter? I haven't convicted him regarding molestation because I have Kirk Lover May 2018 #4
Soon-Yi wasn't his stepdaughter Adenoid_Hynkel May 2018 #6
He was her father figure. She was the sister of his two adopted children and the children pnwmom May 2018 #13
He was seen as a parental figure...and that is what he credits to a big secret of Kirk Lover May 2018 #17
I am sure that makes it just fine except it doesn't. Demsrule86 May 2018 #22
Do you know what else isn't against the law? kcr May 2018 #5
No one said it is illegal Adenoid_Hynkel May 2018 #7
"But it is absurd to convict people solely via media. " NCTraveler May 2018 #23
+1000 Demsrule86 May 2018 #21
So much of Woody's work is about men in relationships w crushes on bettyellen May 2018 #9
As I posted in another thread, Crunchy Frog May 2018 #10
YES. And these days there are many of these "irregular" families, and we have to recognize them. pnwmom May 2018 #14
Sinatra didn't get involved with the sister of his adopted children. n/t pnwmom May 2018 #11
They sound exactly the same! NCTraveler May 2018 #24
Was he in a relationship with Mia 's mother? Was he a parental figure? Demsrule86 May 2018 #25
One thing that stood out... Mike Nelson May 2018 #8
Moses's story isn't believable at all because HE WASN'T IN THE HOUSE. pnwmom May 2018 #12
By "story" I meant his... Mike Nelson May 2018 #15
Well, I can believe the whole family was messed up -- which would have made Woody's behavior pnwmom May 2018 #16
I think Ronan looks like Frank Sinatra. Demsrule86 May 2018 #19
Nancy Sinatra also thinks he looks like Frank. madaboutharry May 2018 #27
I thought he looked like... Mike Nelson May 2018 #28
I thought so. I was unaware of this. Thanks for the info. Demsrule86 May 2018 #29
Moses wasn't there according to policed reports...I have no idea why some want to rehabilitate Demsrule86 May 2018 #20
He admitted it...so he did go to the attic. Why wouldn't he have said the painting was moved? Demsrule86 May 2018 #26
My daughter had a friend who's step-father molested her. I have no idea whether the mother Demsrule86 May 2018 #18
 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
1. Well Woody is forever grossed out for me personally over the Soon Yi thing. I don't care
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:41 PM
May 2018

that they've been together X amount of years and they're happy. That is a line that should not of been crossed.
I don't care they didn't live together ...WHATEVER, inappropriate AT BEST. So is this such a stretch then? I don't know and I guess we never will but no matter my mind is made up about this man and no I cannot separate the man from the work in this instance.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
2. I agree. He was the father figure in that household and he crossed a line with that teenager.
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:48 PM
May 2018

Whether he had adopted her or not doesn't matter. She was the teenage SISTER of his adopted children.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
3. Would you similarly denounce Sinatra?
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:54 PM
May 2018

Who married a 21-year-old Mia when he was even older?
A good chunk of those against Allen, including Mia herself, lionize Frank as a hero in all this, because he threatened to have his mafia goons "break Woody's legs."

Allen's relationship with his current wife may be weird, perhaps gross, but it's not illegal, certainly no more than Frank's, and not a basis to convict on other accusations.

The simple fact is none of us know what happened. And conviction by entertainment media is absurd. There's a reason we have courts.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
4. Was she Sinatras step daughter? I haven't convicted him regarding molestation because I have
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:09 AM
May 2018

already written him off long long ago.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
6. Soon-Yi wasn't his stepdaughter
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:01 AM
May 2018

Nor his adopted daughter.

She was one of the many Mia and Andre Previn adopted.
Allen and Mia were not married and did not live together.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
13. He was her father figure. She was the sister of his two adopted children and the children
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:42 AM
May 2018

all lived together with Mia, with Woody living on the other side of the park and frequently visiting.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
17. He was seen as a parental figure...and that is what he credits to a big secret of
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:57 AM
May 2018

their success. He is parental and she defers completely to him. So being that he was the "father figure" I deem this as crossing the line.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
5. Do you know what else isn't against the law?
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:10 AM
May 2018

Having opinions. No one is stopping me from denouncing Woody Allen for the child molesting perve he is, because there is plenty of evidence that points to it. Not you or anyone else. Too bad if you don't like it. People who think their opinions have the weight of law and everyone else should shut up are annoying.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
7. No one said it is illegal
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:03 AM
May 2018

But it is absurd to convict people solely via media.

Slay them straw men.

And "evidence" he is a molester? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. "But it is absurd to convict people solely via media. "
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:06 AM
May 2018

No, it's actually not. Not unless you are talking a court of law which it is clear your comment isn't doing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. So much of Woody's work is about men in relationships w crushes on
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:20 AM
May 2018

On the most inappropriate girls around. I’d say women, but they often were just young girls. What used to seem outrageous in a funny and unthinkable way is pitifully creepy and realistic. He was creeping on Mariel Hemingway too.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
10. As I posted in another thread,
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:34 AM
May 2018

He was functionally her stepfather.

He and her mother were in a domestic partnership in which they were parenting children together. They operated as a family unit, and she was the sister to children who Woody was father to.

He may not have been legally her stepfather, but in practical terms, he absolutely was. Just plain gross, IMO.


If Sinatra had been in a domestic relationship with Mia's mother, and had children with her who were Mia's siblings, then I would absolutely denounce him.

It's not the age difference, but the family dynamics that's the problem.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
14. YES. And these days there are many of these "irregular" families, and we have to recognize them.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:45 AM
May 2018

To the children, he was functionally a parent, whether they were officially adopted or not.

Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
25. Was he in a relationship with Mia 's mother? Was he a parental figure?
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:07 AM
May 2018

Woody Allen is disgusting. My daughter had a friend with a mother who had a live in boyfriend...he molested the girl until she killed herself at 18...despise Woody Allen and all men like him.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
8. One thing that stood out...
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:07 AM
May 2018
"After his hair was found on a painting in the attic, he admitted that he might have stuck his head in once or twice. A top investigator concluded that his account was not credible."

Paintings get moved to attics! Also, a lawyer would have known that... and a lawyer would have done exactly that with the lie detector test. I wasn't there, but Moses' story sound more believable.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
12. Moses's story isn't believable at all because HE WASN'T IN THE HOUSE.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:41 AM
May 2018

He's formed a false memory, which happens sometimes. I'm sure there were other days he was in the house with his siblings and Woody. But the police documented who was in the house that day, and interviewed those people (adults and children) and Moses wasn't there.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
15. By "story" I meant his...
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:23 AM
May 2018

… rather long reflection on his childhood experiences with his mother Mia Farrow and his father Woody Allen. I can see how you saw "story" as being about a single incident. I should have made it clear - I read his long "blog" and found his story believable. This was, apparently, a very dysfunctional family. I am truly sorry for all of them and hope everyone can heal. As a direct victim of sexual and physical abuse, I can say it takes many years to really see the damage and how it's affected my life - and the lives of others. I recognized some the "characters" and behaviors in Moses' story (meaning his blog post) from my own experiences.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
16. Well, I can believe the whole family was messed up -- which would have made Woody's behavior
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:41 AM
May 2018

even more likely. Mia would have been more likely to overlook obvious signs that something was wrong, until it was too late.

But Ronan Farrow has a very different story than Moses. Woody was cruel to Ronan.

madaboutharry

(40,153 posts)
27. Nancy Sinatra also thinks he looks like Frank.
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:13 AM
May 2018

In fact, a few years ago Mia admitted she was having an affair with Frank Sinatra at the time Ronan was conceived and that she really doesn't know who Ronan's dad is. Nancy Sinatra welcomed Ronan to the family and said "we are glad to have him."

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
28. I thought he looked like...
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:15 AM
May 2018

Frank Sinatra, at first, mostly from photographs being shared on social media, comparing them - then, when his TV show started, I thought he looked like he son of Woody and Mia - and quite different than the photographs. He looks more like his mom than dad. However, if I had to pick a parent, I'd pick Nancy over Mia, Woody or Frank.

Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
20. Moses wasn't there according to policed reports...I have no idea why some want to rehabilitate
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:03 AM
May 2018

Woody Allen. He is a child molester on my opinion...pretty terrible to call Dylan a liar and we know he married the other victim.

Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
26. He admitted it...so he did go to the attic. Why wouldn't he have said the painting was moved?
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:08 AM
May 2018

Woody Allen is guilty and should be rotting in jail.

Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
18. My daughter had a friend who's step-father molested her. I have no idea whether the mother
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:00 AM
May 2018

was married or not...it doesn't change what this Piece of shit did. She killed herself at 18. I despise Woody Allen and creeps like him...I believe Dylan.

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