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Thu May 17, 2018, 04:55 PM

Read This Before Calling the Police: For Wypipo Who Have Considered Cops When Privilege Wasn't Enoug

As one of the world’s foremost wypipologists, I have been tasked with addressing the newfound epidemic of Caucasian cop-summoners that just began trending around ... oh, I’m going to say it started in 1619, give or take a few days.

That’s correct. None of this shit is new. White people have always loved calling the police. In fact, in newly-unearthed ship logs from the Nińa, the Pinta and the Santa Maria, researchers have discovered that upon landing in the New World, Christopher Columbus’ first words were:

“Hello 911? I’d like to report some Natives trespassing on the land I just claimed for Spain.”

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You do know they shoot black people, don’t you? Calling the police on black people when they have done nothing wrong is not just racist and insensitive, it is life-threatening.

Hopefully, we can end all of this by practicing the WHITE Method for not calling the police. And if any of this offends you, think of how offended an innocent black person feels when they are confronted out of the blue by men with guns known to shoot people who look like them.

Moving forward, I hope you can do better.

Read More: https://www.theroot.com/read-this-before-calling-the-police-for-wypipo-who-hav-1826090898


Nailed it and with humor.




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Reply Read This Before Calling the Police: For Wypipo Who Have Considered Cops When Privilege Wasn't Enoug (Original post)
sheshe2 May 2018 OP
Me. May 2018 #1
Cha May 2018 #2
sheshe2 May 2018 #3
Cha May 2018 #5
sheshe2 May 2018 #6
NatBurner May 2018 #55
cyclonefence May 2018 #80
WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #4
EffieBlack May 2018 #7
sheshe2 May 2018 #8
MrsMatt May 2018 #9
Exotica May 2018 #11
WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #31
Exotica May 2018 #70
NCTraveler May 2018 #83
Tipperary May 2018 #85
MrsCoffee May 2018 #89
sheshe2 May 2018 #132
Trust Buster May 2018 #13
sheshe2 May 2018 #65
SidDithers May 2018 #88
JustAnotherGen May 2018 #92
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #126
pintobean May 2018 #109
EffieBlack May 2018 #111
LanternWaste May 2018 #121
Post removed May 2018 #16
sheshe2 May 2018 #19
MrsMatt May 2018 #26
sheshe2 May 2018 #58
EffieBlack May 2018 #59
sheshe2 May 2018 #61
JustAnotherGen May 2018 #91
George II May 2018 #57
sheshe2 May 2018 #66
catrose May 2018 #71
stonecutter357 May 2018 #77
NCTraveler May 2018 #81
Tarc May 2018 #82
Iggo May 2018 #94
yonder May 2018 #10
oberliner May 2018 #15
yonder May 2018 #18
sheshe2 May 2018 #23
sheshe2 May 2018 #27
EffieBlack May 2018 #40
sheshe2 May 2018 #49
Gothmog May 2018 #62
George II May 2018 #56
ehrnst May 2018 #74
George II May 2018 #28
EffieBlack May 2018 #50
sheshe2 May 2018 #60
sheshe2 May 2018 #20
oberliner May 2018 #12
sheshe2 May 2018 #22
ExciteBike66 May 2018 #69
sheshe2 May 2018 #73
Hekate May 2018 #14
TygrBright May 2018 #17
ismnotwasm May 2018 #21
whathehell May 2018 #24
gollygee May 2018 #25
sheshe2 May 2018 #30
whathehell May 2018 #32
gollygee May 2018 #33
whathehell May 2018 #34
gollygee May 2018 #35
whathehell May 2018 #37
gollygee May 2018 #38
whathehell May 2018 #41
gollygee May 2018 #42
gollygee May 2018 #43
whathehell May 2018 #63
JustAnotherGen May 2018 #120
EffieBlack May 2018 #51
gollygee May 2018 #52
EffieBlack May 2018 #54
sheshe2 May 2018 #68
EffieBlack May 2018 #46
whathehell May 2018 #48
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whathehell May 2018 #47
sheshe2 May 2018 #36
whathehell May 2018 #39
EffieBlack May 2018 #53
Nevernose May 2018 #97
EffieBlack May 2018 #98
NCTraveler May 2018 #84
whathehell May 2018 #105
sheshe2 May 2018 #64
whathehell May 2018 #67
JustAnotherGen May 2018 #93
whathehell May 2018 #102
EffieBlack May 2018 #112
JustAnotherGen May 2018 #117
EffieBlack May 2018 #119
JustAnotherGen May 2018 #116
whathehell May 2018 #122
SidDithers May 2018 #90
whathehell May 2018 #103
Ms. Toad May 2018 #115
Post removed May 2018 #123
EffieBlack May 2018 #128
tonedevil May 2018 #131
EffieBlack May 2018 #127
Ms. Toad May 2018 #133
Top-Hat May 2018 #134
Ms. Toad May 2018 #135
Me. May 2018 #29
whathehell May 2018 #45
brer cat May 2018 #72
ck4829 May 2018 #75
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Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #79
Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #86
Oneironaut May 2018 #87
fescuerescue May 2018 #95
gollygee May 2018 #96
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whathehell May 2018 #108
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whathehell May 2018 #124
EffieBlack May 2018 #129
ck4829 May 2018 #125
whathehell May 2018 #104
JI7 May 2018 #106
whathehell May 2018 #107
EffieBlack May 2018 #113
Gothmog May 2018 #101
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:05 PM

1. "As one of the world's foremost wypipologists"

Perfect...KR

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:24 PM

2. Well done, Michael Harriot.

Think about how many tax dollars you could save if police didn’t have to drive to the scene every time Amber thought something was suspicious about the Negro walking through her neighborhood. Imagine how much your city could save on overtime if officers didn’t have to spend hours writing up reports because Connor thought a crafty Negro had bought a uniform, stolen a mail truck and was cruising through your neighborhood, casing your subdivision, planning a series of home invasions by putting mail in people’s mailboxes.

Especially this..

Hopefully, we can end all of this by practicing the WHITE Method for not calling the police. And if any of this offends you, think of how offended an innocent black person feels when they are confronted out of the blue by men with guns known to shoot people who look like them.

Mahalo, she

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Response to Cha (Reply #2)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:29 PM

3. The last paragraph speaks volumes, Cha.

Thanks~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:48 PM

5. Yes, it does.. Thanks. These people who

are calling 911 over Black People sleeping, sitting and not buying, BBQing, etc.. obviously have no empathy for those who have been gunned down by the police over nothing more than having a cell phone or a toy gun like Tamir Rice, walking down the road, selling cigarettes, etc etc etc

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Response to Cha (Reply #5)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:52 PM

6. This part too, Cha.

This is the hardest step because it involves having an actual conversation with someone who isn’t white. Hold up! Before you skip this part, allow me to explain. Have you ever considered ... just once ... talking to a black person?

Something EffieBlack has been trying to get across.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:48 PM

55. for a while now

her eloquence is ridic
EYE get on 1st with any given point
SHE hits it outta the park
from jump-
she bats us all in- how fly is that?

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Response to NatBurner (Reply #55)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:24 AM

80. She has made a difference in my life

For example, the other day at the movies--Deadpool 2, which is not a quiet film--a guy sitting behind me was talking loudly on his phone. I did my usual first move, which is to turn and glare. If that doesn't work, I'll "sshhh!" followed by getting a manager to speak to the offender.

When I turned to glare, I saw that the guy was an old black man. I thought about the things Effie has been posting and instantly decided I wasn't going to be another old white lady who calls the cops on a black man. I glared, I sshhed, I whispered "Please don't talk so loud." No response, but he did get off the phone.

Another phone call. This time I just moved, but sat on the aisle on purpose, so he would see me when he left. I said to him "Shame on you." I was ready to engage verbally, which is not something I would have done before Effie Black. This may seem small and stupid, but it was profound for me.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:44 PM

4. K&R. Self-reflective questions in these situations like these are so important for people with

privilege. "What do I gain by doing this? What do I lose? Is it necessary? What happens if I do nothing?" The WHITE method looks like a good one!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:58 PM

7. LOL!

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #7)

Thu May 17, 2018, 06:00 PM

8. He is a hoot.

Love his writings.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 06:30 PM

9. Enough of "Wypipo"

It's fucking divisive.

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:46 PM

11. Speaking as a PoC, it is a hipster-net-speak neologism that Putin et alia adore

 

Divide et impera, indeed.

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Response to Exotica (Reply #11)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:29 PM

31. Putin? Do tell.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #31)

Fri May 18, 2018, 06:38 AM

70. here

 

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210549623

also here (I just saw this OP)

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210627566


I said Putin adores this type of shit-stir within our American zeitgeist, not that his forces are necessarily doing it. Non-linear warfare and reflexive control are never one-way or one-sided paths.

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Response to Exotica (Reply #11)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:33 AM

85. Thank you.

I have just started trashing all these threads. This one is headed to the can right now.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #85)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:23 AM

89. I hope you announce that in each of the threads.

Every kick helps.

Thanks for this one.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #89)

Wed May 30, 2018, 05:44 PM

132. Lol

Thanks.

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:49 PM

13. I agree wholeheartedly. DU has become racially abusive and unwelcoming IMO.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #13)

Fri May 18, 2018, 12:08 AM

65. Racially abusive?

To call out racism by wypipo?

Do tell.

Have you been here long Trust Buster? Have you watched the Af Ams on this site stalked off the board? Have you seen their group quietly close their doors? Have you even noticed that they are gone?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #13)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:19 AM

88. I guess you don't remember the watermelon and fried chicken threads...

or the Stockholm Syndrome threads.

Or the fact that many prolific AA DUers just don't post here anymore, because of the shit they took during the 2016 primary, when primarily black voters in southern states were summarily dismissed, because "those states won't vote Democratic anyway".



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #88)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:46 AM

92. Poster definitely does not

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #88)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:04 AM

126. Excellent point.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #13)

Mon May 28, 2018, 05:23 AM

109. It seems to be as divisive as possible.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #109)

Mon May 28, 2018, 07:19 AM

111. What's divisive about it?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #109)

Tue May 29, 2018, 11:31 AM

121. I too minimize and trivialize concepts which don't reinforce my biases.

I too minimize and trivialize concepts which don't reinforce my biases (since we're going simply with 'seems' rather than 'is' ).

It's can be a tough thing to do if we don't like to be measured by our own words.

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:54 PM

19. How is that divisive?

There are white people of sound mind and have hearts and souls. We are the ones that support POC and try every day to learn more. We listen. Then their are wypipo who sow divisiveness and hate. Wypipo need to start listening and adjusting some of their engrained attitude of their racist hate. Or maybe they just need to lose their white privilege they hold so dear. They are so frigging color blind that they do not know what they have and most refuse to educate themselves.

PS. Not all white people are wypipo.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:43 PM

26. Labels are divisive.

Especially if based on physical characteristics.

Name the behavior, not the color/race.

Turn it around. If/when white people are the minority, will it be ok to call them "wypipo"?



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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #26)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:07 PM

58. Dear MrsMatt.

Turn it around. If/when white people are the minority, will it be ok to call them "wypipo"?


Oh I can not wait until 2043. It will no longer be a white America. So the census tells us so. They only will be called wypipo if wish to remain to be so, Their choice .

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #58)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:08 PM

59. Fear of 2043 is what drives much of this hysteria

Some folk are terrified that they will be the victims of the type of racism they now insist doesn't exist.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #59)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:22 PM

61. Me, I can not wait for it and may not be alive for it.

Bet the 'others' will be treated far better than you and yours ever were. Time will tell, Effie.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #59)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:45 AM

91. That's a really good way of putting it

And an idea I intend to throw around on a go forward basis - if you don't mind.

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:58 PM

57. How so?

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Response to George II (Reply #57)

Fri May 18, 2018, 12:16 AM

66. Sounds like crickets to me,

it has been a day away.

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Fri May 18, 2018, 06:43 AM

71. It's the title of the article

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Fri May 25, 2018, 07:39 AM

77. lol !

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:25 AM

81. Thoughts and prayers are on the way. nt

 

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:25 AM

82. Judging by the number of "wypipo" threads that have been muted, which is...none

I think it is safe to say that you've lost this particular argument

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Response to MrsMatt (Reply #9)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:59 AM

94. Oh, sorry. How about "White People"?

Better?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:39 PM

10. Thank you, very funny and he's now on my radar

with respect to pale skin sunburns, this line got me laughing too:

"how are you the master race if light can kill you?"

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Response to yonder (Reply #10)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:50 PM

15. He is the author of: "The Democratic Party Is Not Our Friend"

 

His writing should be banned here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:54 PM

18. I'll dig deeper, banning seems extreme. nt

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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:03 PM

27. Hmmm

Some said.

Bernie Sanders Says Trump Won Because Democrats Are Out Of Touch

http://wlrn.org/post/bernie-sanders-says-trump-won-because-democrats-are-out-touch

Okay. Got it. Bernie, who is not a Democrat rips the party to shreads at every chance he gets, was supported by OUR party for his run then leaves said party before the door even hit his behind and you support him wholeheartedly. A fickle partner at best, Yet here you are:

Re: Michael Hariott.

He is the author of: "The Democratic Party Is Not Our Friend"

His writing should be banned here




So the white man gets a pass from you, one who has never had to live through racism. You give them a pass He can boldly say what ever he wishes about the Democratic party because he is white and marched with Martin 50 fugging years ago. Lol...not really. Hm, yet here you are Oberliner, telling the black man that he should sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Well Oberliner, your privilege is showing. Who should be able to speak, be banned or not banned, You chose white.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #27)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

40. But Bernie's different

I can't quite put my finger on what the difference is, but he's different some kind of way.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #40)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:44 PM

49. My finger is hovering over which button to push.

I am so confused.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #40)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:38 PM

62. LOL

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #27)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:57 PM

56. He never marched WITH Martin, he was AT the 1963 March on Washington, along with 300K others.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #27)

Sat May 19, 2018, 02:23 PM

74. Yes... what could that difference be?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:20 PM

28. What specifically is it about his writing that it should be banned?

More specifically, what is it in the OP that should not be posted here?

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Response to George II (Reply #28)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:45 PM

50. All that black stuff is a problem

Otherwise, it's fine.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #50)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

60. But ...

All that black stuff is a problem



Yet if I erase it, then it will be white.


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Response to yonder (Reply #10)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:56 PM

20. Ya...that was a hoot.

with respect to pale skin sunburns, this line got me laughing too:

"how are you the master race if light can kill you?"


Thanks, yonder!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:48 PM

12. From the author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton"

 

Michael Harriot is awful and should be banned here, since he encouraged people not to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election (not the primary, the general election).

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Response to oberliner (Reply #12)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:04 PM

22. ...

again.....




You post alot on others threads. Hm...you never posted on your Effie bashing thread. Why is that?

You seem to have a thing for Michael and Effie as well. Both are from black people about black people and their very lives,. Interesting.



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Fri May 18, 2018, 04:33 AM

69. I'm not really an oberliner fan from some of his/her comments lately...

but they are technically correct about the Hillary Clinton thing. This is DU, we are supposed to care about people supporting Dems in general elections.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #69)

Fri May 18, 2018, 05:15 PM

73. Well...

ExciteBike66
69. I'm not really an oberliner fan from some of his/her comments lately...

but they are technically correct about the Hillary Clinton thing. This is DU, we are supposed to care about people supporting Dems in general elections.


First of all, he is not a member here. Second of all two of Sanders good friends Killer Mike and Cornell West said the same thing...Mike also is a spokesperson for the NRA and Cornell called President Obama a 'House N***er. Are you calling for them to be "banned" as well?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:49 PM

14. Kicking

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:54 PM

17. Love the title reference. The play was amazing. n/t

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:03 PM

21. K&R

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:20 PM

24. Is it "privilege" to be afraid of being a crime victim?

If so, I guess I'm guilty, since I did, in fact, call the cops when a young man of color crawled univited into my apartment window in the middle of the night. In another residence, a young white man did the same thing via a slipped lock and I called the cops on him as well.

Bottom line is, I DO recognize that some white people are irrationaly fearful and overeact -- That said, crime IS an issue to which women of all colors are uniquely vulnerable, and so are realistically cautious.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #24)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:37 PM

25. When someone is crawling through your window, of course you're going to call the police

This article is talking about when people call the police on people of color when it's unlikely they'd call the police on a white person doing the same thing: napping, pushing a baby in a baby stroller, returning an item to the store, having a cookout at the park, etc. None of the people who called the police in those case were being victimized in any crime.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #24)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:28 PM

30. Please don't make this about something it isn't.

You report crimes. You protect yourself and family. Always.

This is about insecure....gotta say fearful people, that fear black people doing what the rest of us do daily. Shop. sleep. return. breath. live. They report them for nothing other than white fear, they may not survive that report.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #30)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:47 PM

32. I won't if you won't..

My point being that some whites DO overreact, but to sneeringly invoke the "white privilege" meme as the cause of it all is bullshit, as these people's fears, however exaggerated, are rooted in reality. That is my only issue here.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #32)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:53 PM

33. Their fears of college kids napping in dorm rooms?

Their fears of dads pushing their babies in strollers in the park?

Fears of actual crimes are reasonable, but there's nothing reasonable in those fears. Nobody calls the police on white dads pushing their babies in stroller.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #33)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:05 PM

34. Of course not-- Ditto for the Black dad pushing a stroller

Those are the "irrationals". These people either have a hyper fear of blacks or crime or some combination of the two -- That said, it doesn't have a thing to do with "priivilege".

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Response to whathehell (Reply #34)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:07 PM

35. Knowing you can call the police on stuff like that and be taken seriously

and actually get the police to show up and check on a dad pushing a baby in a stroller is white privilege.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #35)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:26 PM

37. No it's not..

As a group, minority men have a high crime rate -- Neurotic, overly fearful people can generalize about individuals they don't know, even those in situations which would make criminality highly unlikely.

One has to remember that there are many folks out there not playing with the proverbial full deck.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #37)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

38. That's still racism

If you generalize to the point where a dad pushing his baby in a stroller sets you off, it's still racism, whether someone is neurotic or not.

And the white privilege I'm talking about here is the knowledge that police will take that call seriously, and the knowledge that calling the police won't be dangerous for them.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #38)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

41. Only if statistics are 'racism'.

The rest is just neurotic paranoia.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #41)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

42. What are the statistics regarding napping college students and dads pushing babies in strollers? nt

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Response to whathehell (Reply #41)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

43. And yes, using statistics in that way is racist. nt

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Response to gollygee (Reply #43)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:39 PM

63. How are facts "racist"?

I'm sorry, but that's just absurd.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #41)

Tue May 29, 2018, 11:16 AM

120. Here's some more for you and the Ober guy who always shows up

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/07/568948782/black-mothers-keep-dying-after-giving-birth-shalon-irvings-story-explains-why

Black Mothers Keep Dying After Giving Birth. Shalon Irving's Story Explains Why

At 36, Shalon had been part of their elite ranks — an epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the pre-eminent public health institution in the U.S. There she had focused on trying to understand how structural inequality, trauma and violence made people sick. "She wanted to expose how people's limited health options were leading to poor health outcomes," said Rashid Njai, her mentor at the agency. "To kind of uncover and undo the victim-blaming that sometimes happens where it's like, 'Poor people don't care about their health.' " Her Twitter bio declared: "I see inequity wherever it exists, call it by name, and work to eliminate it."


Much of Shalon's research had focused on how childhood experiences affect health later on — examining how kids' lives went off track, searching for ways to make them more resilient. Her discovery in mid-2016 that she was pregnant with her first child had been unexpected and thrilling.

Then the unthinkable happened. Three weeks after giving birth, Shalon collapsed and died from complications of high blood pressure.

The researcher working to eradicate disparities in health access and outcomes had become a symbol of one of the most troublesome health disparities facing black women in the U.S. today: disproportionately high rates of maternal mortality. The main federal agency seeking to understand why so many American women — especially black women — die, or nearly die from complications of pregnancy and childbirth had lost one of its own.

Even Shalon's many advantages — her B.A. in sociology, her two master's degrees and dual-subject Ph.D., her gold-plated insurance and rock-solid support system — had not been enough to ensure her survival. If a village this powerful hadn't been able to protect her, was any black woman safe



She must have been more violent? Or are the NUMBERS and STATISTICS just cutesy wootsie little neurosis?

I'm really interested in your response-

I've got a feeling I know PRECISELY what it is.

Oh and pay close attention - she wasn't a poor uneducated woman in the ghetto on welfare. IE - One of your statistics. So that 'argument' cannot be used as an excuse - and neither can the numbers.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #38)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:46 PM

51. Racists almost always think they have a non-race-based reason for their reactions

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #51)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

52. Yes and they often blame misrepresented statistics. nt

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Response to gollygee (Reply #52)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:48 PM

54. Yep

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Response to gollygee (Reply #38)

Fri May 18, 2018, 12:46 AM

68. Hey you, gollygee,

And the white privilege I'm talking about here is the knowledge that police will take that call seriously, and the knowledge that calling the police won't be dangerous for them.


And as Michael says in the end...

And if any of this offends you, think of how offended an innocent black person feels when they are confronted out of the blue by men with guns known to shoot people who look like them.


racism

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Response to whathehell (Reply #37)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

46. White people are far more likely to be the victim of white on white crime than of a black perpetrato

So what does the crime rate among black men have to do with this discussion?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #46)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

48. Yes, but that's about proximity only.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #34)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

44. White people who call police on black people for no reason "Irrationals." Black people who call

them out for doing it = "Divisive racists."

Gotcha.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #44)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

47. Not in my book..

but feel free to generalize, like the people you are complaining about.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #32)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:11 PM

36. White privilege calls a BBQ a crime,

shopping. returning. living. breathing. Call 911. Doing it while black is a crime. So much fear.It is bullshit.


Do they fear the white men with the AK 15's? They should as they have killed far more.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #36)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

39. That's not "privilege", it's neurosis..

As you said, we shouldn't call things what they are not.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #39)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

53. How do YOU define "privilege?"

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #53)

Fri May 25, 2018, 10:46 AM

97. He's got a point

Calling by the police because people having a cook out? That could be just good ol’ fashioned racism.

It’s the ability to have a BBQ at the neighborhood park and be 100% certain that the cops won’t be called on you that’s the privileged part. The part where, if you call, you know the cops probably aren’t going to shoot you or a loved one? That’s the privilege.

But calling he cops on a black family having a cook out? Racist and insane, but not inherently an act of privilege.

(I agree with you, though, Effie. And whatthehell has been wrong up and down the post, in my opinion. I’m just jiscussing the notion of privilege)

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #97)

Fri May 25, 2018, 12:42 PM

98. Privilege doesn't cancel out racism. Privilege is the sense of entitlement that you have every right

to call the police because you think they don't belong.

It's all tied together.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #39)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:30 AM

84. It's privilege.

 

It's also privilege to believe it is not privilege.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #84)

Mon May 28, 2018, 04:15 AM

105. It's neurosis..

and denying reality because it doesn't fit into a particular narrative is absurd.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #32)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:58 PM

64. Let's just toss one up here for discussion.

BBQ Lady????

She makes everyone else's claim bullshit.

So much fear. Bullshit. White privilege. Better yet, just another asshole.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Fri May 18, 2018, 12:22 AM

67. Huh?

Who's defending BBQ lady?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #32)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:50 AM

93. The example you gave above

An intruder into your home - and calling the police is a true case of personal safety.

Calling the police because a black person walked into your store/shop - that's racist.

And - this is why the Negro Motorist Green Book is coming back. Seriously.

To challenge all of it - we can create lists of places where we can not be embarrassed, harassed, arrested, or god forbid - shot at. It's nothing 'new'. It's something old made new again.

I feel like it will actually be doing the racists and YOU a favor.

The racists can have a place where we will let black folks not to go. It will make them happy.

As our ally - you can then choose to go there, or to not.

I suspect if a valid and verified list exists like this - you won't go there whathehell. You have very little tolerance for nonsense!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #93)

Mon May 28, 2018, 03:56 AM

102. Yes, but there are, and always be individuals who overreact..

and it's easy to mock them, but they're obviously a minority -- trying to turn this into some racial phenomenon like "white fragility"
while overlooking the real issue of violent crime, is just as silly.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #102)

Mon May 28, 2018, 07:26 AM

112. They may be a "minority" but that "minority" has a significant and devastating impact on people and

society. And it IS a “racial phenomenon,” no matter how much you try to defend and deflect it.

The Klan was a “minority.” White women who falsely accused black men of rape and got them lynched, executed and imprisoned were a “minority.” Cops who shoot and kill innocent, unarmed black men are a “minority.” That doesn’t make any of that less poisonous or less of a “racial phenomenon.”

And no one is overlooking the issue of “violent crime.” That’s a bullshit, red herring, dog-whistle argument better suited for venues other than this.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #112)

Tue May 29, 2018, 08:38 AM

117. Thank you

I think the insulation of privilege sometimes make people think or 'fa la la la deal with it'.

Except - deal with it or not -

It's getting us killed. If you really think back - had the Zimpig just followed orders - all of this and I mean ALL of it could have been avoided. In that case an asshole not only called the cops, but made sure his VICTIM indeed got shot to death.

When they call the cops on us for walking to our homes - it is over the top.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #117)

Tue May 29, 2018, 09:18 AM

119. He called the cops and THEN shot him before they got there.

And then got away with it.

Privilege on steroids.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #102)

Tue May 29, 2018, 08:29 AM

116. No one is doing that

IE Overlooking the real issue of violent crime.

And White Fragility is not a 'racial phenomenon'.

It's just not. Agree to disagree.

If a 'supposed' grown person can't handle having a serious character flaw pointed out - then they are being 'fragile'.

Woman Up, Man Up, and deal with it. There is a certain ilk in this country that thinks their fears about violent crime in Chicago has one iota to do with me. When I point out - hey - I'm in horse country NJ - and they continue to point it out - they are just an asshole and I WILL make fun of them.

While they were all whining - I took a job from one of 'them' with a significant pay increase enabling me to increase my donation to the UNCF. And then they whine like little babies about that. Whaaa Whaaa not fair.

I'm so over them. And yes - I look down on them and make fun of them. I don't see what the issue is. It's not like I go to their house and knock on their door and do it to their face.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #116)

Tue May 29, 2018, 02:15 PM

122. Really?

The fact that the only crimes I read about on DU are those committed by cops against black men, make me question that.

Beyond that, I must tell you I AGREE that individuals with character flaws, like the paranoid whites mentioned, should be able to handle it, the PROBLEM arises when phrases like "white" fragility are used to characterize it -- It then becomes a broad-brush racial insult.

Your story about white people assuming you are somehow connected to "Chicago crime" is instructive -- Of course it's silly to conflate you with that, as silly as conflating Me, a two time white violent crime victim who DOES live in Chicago, with some condescending "white fragility" crap.
.THIS is what's wrong with stereotyping ANY one group of people Since its impossible to know everyone personally, we all do it, but it should be avoided ESPECIALLY on a board where a diverse group of people come together, purportedly, to solve common problems.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #24)

Fri May 25, 2018, 09:30 AM

90. What does the skin colour of the intruder have to do with it?...

If someone is breaking into your house, you call the police. Period.

Doesn't matter what colour their skin is.

FFS.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #90)

Mon May 28, 2018, 04:06 AM

103. What it has to do with it are the numbers..

In this country, mnorities commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes. Knowing this, most respond realistically and a few overreact. FFS indeed..

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Response to whathehell (Reply #103)

Mon May 28, 2018, 11:17 AM

115. Are you sure?

There is a tremendous amount of subjectivity built into the numbers you are treating as objective indicia.

1. A subjective decision to call the police - and we know that people are more likely to call the police on blacks than they are on whites - so even when there is nothing objectively criminal, police will be on the scene, giving the first subjective bump to the black violent crime rate.

2. A subjective decision of the police to arrest. Police have considerable discretion in making the decision to arrest. As we saw in Starbucks - they arrested two black men who were trespassing (so the arrest was permitted) - but very few people in their right minds believe they would have arrested white men engaged in the same behavior. The same happens with violent crime, giving the second subjective bump to the black violent crime rate.

3. A subjective decision of charging prosecutor. Every study I've ever read is very clear that when a white person and a black person are engaging in the same behavior, the black person is statistically more likely to be charged with a more serious offense than the white person - so some violent crimes by whites will be charged as non-violent, and prosecutors will stretch the limits of non-violent crimes and charge blacks for violent crimes when a more supportable charge would have been a non-violent offense.

4. The decision of the jurors or judge as to whether the person charged actually committed the crime. This should be objective - but, again, every study suggest that when charged with a crime, blacks are more likely to be convicted.

5. One final subjective decision - less relevant to this cycle, aside from the impact it has on the lives of blacks- sentences imposed on blacks are harsher for the same crimes.

So the "minorities commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes" you are relying on in making your first subjective decision to call the police may not be true in the first place (or at there may be dramatically less distinction in the rate of commission of violent crimes), which ultimately drives the perception that blacks commit more violent crimes up, an it becomes a feedback loop of successive subjective decisions that each make it more likely that the next subjective decision will go against blacks.

Here are a couple of resources - it's been a few years since I studied this in depth (in connection with the death penalty) so I don't have my older resources at my fingertips. But the principles are the same, and are applicable through this entire chain.

http://www.law.cuny.edu/faculty/pedagogy/LLu-Prosecutorial-Discretion-and-Racial-Disparities.pdf
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6b23/24a9d3417fb914f3c5baf4d9a8c76f2038fb.pdf

Bottom line: your apparently objective statement that "mnorities commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes," is far less objective than you believe it to be.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #123)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:14 AM

128. Wow.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #123)

Wed May 30, 2018, 05:42 PM

131. So what is your takeaway from that?

Since you only mentioned violence that was perpetrated by black people it looks like you are saying that black people are more criminal and dangerous than white people.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #115)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:14 AM

127. This is a great post.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #127)

Wed May 30, 2018, 06:11 PM

133. Thanks. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #115)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:21 PM

134. The influence of subjectivity on crime statistics would more affect lesser crimes.

 

For violent crimes, such as murder and sexual assault, the effect of prosecutorial discretion and juror subjectivity would seem to skew the statistics more around the edges.

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Response to Top-Hat (Reply #134)

Thu May 31, 2018, 02:06 AM

135. Absolutely not.

In fact most of my research was on murder - specifically.

Just as to one specific example - in Nebraska death-eligible murders are nearly exclusively charged in Lincoln and Omaha. (Death penalty cases are so expensive because the county bears the cost of the appeals, so no rural county can afford the discretion of making a death-eligible charge, regardless of how heinous the offense.) Guess where virtually all of the minority population in Nebraska lives?

So the current population of death row in Nebraska is 27:27:45 (black, white, hispanic); Nebraska, itself, is 1: 9:86 (4% other races). The racial disparity in death row population, compared to the rest of the state, is significantly influenced by the more heavily minority counties that can afford to exercise their discretion to charge a defendant with aggravated murder.

There is no logical reason that prosecutors (or jurors) would be better able to counter their biases based on the crimes being violent crimes.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:23 PM

29. Kicking

clearly an ouch for some nerves.

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Response to Me. (Reply #29)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:35 PM

45. ..and a learning experience for others,

hopefully.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2018, 04:47 PM

72. K&R

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 07:29 AM

75. Kick

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 07:38 AM

76. K&R !

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 07:41 AM

78. Yea, this.....

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 07:55 AM

79. It is probably best that bigots self identify with the use of a racial pejorative

<OPE>

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:38 AM

86. 911 is a joke - Flava Flav

 

From Public Enemy’s 1990 album Fear Of A Black Planet


https://m.


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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 08:41 AM

87. I used to be one of the dreaded Wypipo.

I was a sheltered suburb kid. Some of the ideas I used to have about minorities 15 years ago are pretty cringey. Luckily, i changed. So can everyone else.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2018, 10:06 AM

95. Everyone is entitled to call the police if they feel unsafe.


That's the job of the police. Serve and protect.

It's the police's job properly evaluate the situation. And then address it by either dealing with the subject of the call, or having a conversation with the caller.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #95)

Fri May 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

96. People need to question why they feel unsafe

Feeling unsafe because you see a dad pushing a baby in a stroller? That's racism.

This is how systemic racism works. People call because they feel unsafe, when there is really no safety issue, but they are entitled to do so. And they very much feel entitled. Then police show up, and they're just doing their job. This is literally how systemic racism works.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #96)

Sat May 26, 2018, 03:07 AM

99. I'm not familiar with that particular example

But I would agree that it's racism.

curiously, racism isn't actually illegal except in certain narrowly defined situations such as hiring, firing, renting etc.

It's literally not illegal for someone to feel fear of people of another race...even if they are just pushing a stroller

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #99)

Tue May 29, 2018, 08:50 AM

118. Not illegal...

just fucked up.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #96)

Sun May 27, 2018, 10:46 PM

100. +1

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Response to gollygee (Reply #96)

Mon May 28, 2018, 04:46 AM

108. Some people overreact..

and are neurotic.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #108)

Mon May 28, 2018, 09:38 AM

114. Still racism. nt

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Response to gollygee (Reply #114)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:19 AM

124. Nope.

at least not singularly, but when one's a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #124)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:17 AM

129. You mean like calling police on an innocent black person because you heard that black people

commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes?

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Response to gollygee (Reply #114)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:22 AM

125. Yep.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #95)

Mon May 28, 2018, 04:11 AM

104. Exactly, and those who overreact are a minority

A few neurotics does not a Racial Phenomenon make.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #104)

Mon May 28, 2018, 04:23 AM

106. I disagree, majority of white people voted for trump. So they are not a minority

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Response to JI7 (Reply #106)

Mon May 28, 2018, 04:33 AM

107. The majority of white people don't call the cops about barbeques

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or students falling asleep in libraries -- That conflation doesn't work.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #107)

Mon May 28, 2018, 07:35 AM

113. It doesn't take a majority doing it to case a problem

A minority of people - even just a handful - can trigger it, the institutions step in to back them up and when people are harmed by it, a significant number of the majority either just shrug their shoulders and then defend the behavior as necessary or understandable, blame the victim for not doing enough to avoid being victimized, or as you always seem so eager to do for some reason, insist that it’s no big deal because “it’s only a few people doing it” - and then try to deflect attention and shift responsibility by accusing those of us pointing it of such things of being “divisive” and “overlooking violent crime.”

That’s how structural racism is intended to work and, thanks to too many “well-meaning” white folk, it works beautifully.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun May 27, 2018, 11:20 PM

101. K&R

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon May 28, 2018, 06:44 AM

110. Which is exactly why we don't need more cops (with guns and handcuffs) in schools!

I'm an educator (40+ years), and I know what happens when you call the cops on kids. It turns a discipline issue into a confrontation with a criminal. When there are no cops stationed in the school, you buzz the office and the principal shows up and the disruption results in a call to the parents or prescribed punishment. The school without an SRO has a staff plan, parents are informed, and the school has to organize the response to misbehavior.

Since they started put SROs (school resource officers) in schools, calls often result in handcuffs and a trip to the juvenile assessment center. A court date and hearing with a judge is next - and the court will order community service and blame the parents.

The vast majority of "arrests" are MINORITY students. The schools with SROs don't have student management plans, communication with parents, or logical consequences any more - because they depend on the SRO for "discipline". The only tool that SROs have are intimidation and force. The SRO doesn't usually know who is in special education, the classroom context, or student history.

Virtually EVERY middle school/high school student will have an emotional day, do something stupid, or have altercation. If you remember your school days as an adolescent, you can surely remember something about yourself. The statistics are clear - staff will call an SRO if one is available on campus, even for a small issue. The black or Hispanic students will be treated more harshly, and hauled off more often, than the Wypipos!!! We don't even need to get into calls to the cops because a black parent cut you off in the pick up line!!

In my class, "It's a good day when the cops come and don't take anyone with them!" I've been called out for saying that publicly by the way.

Like others have said, dial 911 if it's a real emergency, but an on-duty cop down the hall is an easy invite for discrimination!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 05:37 PM

130. The Yale Student was on MSNBC last night

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