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Wed May 16, 2018, 06:57 PM

This kind of language must not be normalized



Trump suggests probe of Oakland mayor for ICE warning; calls some immigrants 'animals'

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Reply This kind of language must not be normalized (Original post)
bigtree May 16 OP
EffieBlack May 16 #1
Haggis for Breakfast May 17 #38
TheSmarterDog May 16 #2
VOX May 16 #18
LSFL May 17 #51
Solly Mack May 16 #3
hunter May 16 #4
oasis May 16 #5
Blue_Tires May 16 #13
former9thward May 16 #6
defacto7 May 16 #31
Hortensis May 16 #7
a kennedy May 16 #8
dalton99a May 16 #9
sinkingfeeling May 16 #10
zentrum May 16 #11
BobTheSubgenius May 16 #15
Uncle Joe May 16 #12
Sophia4 May 16 #14
FiveGoodMen May 17 #48
peggysue2 May 16 #16
VOX May 16 #19
peggysue2 May 16 #30
appalachiablue May 16 #33
mcar May 16 #17
highplainsdem May 16 #20
Glorfindel May 16 #21
RandomAccess May 16 #24
Glorfindel May 16 #25
RandomAccess May 16 #28
RandomAccess May 16 #22
bigtree May 16 #29
RandomAccess May 16 #32
bigtree May 16 #36
RandomAccess May 16 #37
bigtree May 17 #40
cannabis_flower May 17 #43
bigtree May 17 #46
RandomAccess May 17 #49
bigtree May 17 #50
RandomAccess May 17 #52
bigtree May 17 #53
Duppers May 16 #23
Sunlei May 16 #26
gordianot May 16 #27
appalachiablue May 16 #34
Kajun Gal May 16 #35
spanone May 17 #39
czarjak May 17 #41
DemoHack May 17 #42
Nitram May 17 #44
Zing Zing Zingbah May 17 #45
loyalsister May 17 #47

Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:00 PM

1. Thank you.

This is NOT ok.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #1)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:43 AM

38. Old Turkish proverb

"One must fear the ignorant man more than the lion."

Trump is too stupid to understand the damage he is doing to this nation. MAGA ? He has done nothing to bring that about, and everything to destroy it.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:03 PM

2. When can we stop pretending & call them Nazis?

 

Admit that they're not normal?

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Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #2)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:54 PM

18. All that's missing are the Hugo Boss-designed uniforms.

Because they are seriously into “Mein Kampf” territory now. And where did the Nazi party draw its muscle from? The interior of Germany— the poorly educated who were struggling and resentful of the “urban elites” having all the power.

Sound familiar? Anyone not grasping these historic trend-connections is turning a blind eye.

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Response to VOX (Reply #18)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:49 PM

51. true

But the rural Germans were really suffering. The suffering of modern Americans is largely illusory.
Go where the jobs are.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:04 PM

3. K&R

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:05 PM

4. Trump is people too...

... but he's not making it easy.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:16 PM

5. Sarah H. Sanders must answer for this at next WH press conference.

No excuses.

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Response to oasis (Reply #5)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:48 PM

13. Actually, Trump himself should be made to answer it

He's hidden behind his PR flak for way too long...

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:16 PM

6. There is a lot of language that should not be normalized.

But using the internet to make the argument is irony to say the least. Since the invention of the internet and social media our language has gone to the gutter and it will not come back.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #6)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:31 PM

31. I'm afraid you're correct. It's unfortunate.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:17 PM

7. +10,000. On a mixed forum when waves of children

were arriving at our southern border, a couple of women were claiming that the children were bringing diseases to America and that's why we needed to deploy troops shoulder to shoulder to stop them. To protect our nation from disease carriers.

This is one of the last straws that brought me to DU. I'd visited before a number of times, but this time, only liberals spoke out against this and I'd had too much of cons were becoming.

In any case, I've read about the holocaust and the political use in every nation of demonization and vilifying of others to "justify" previously unthinkable deeds by oneself as necessary. So I recognized this evil for what it signified.

Unfortunately, I didn't leave demonization all behind. But it was much worse there, and I knew the next step for these women, if a leader came along who told them to support it, would be to call the children themselves diseases that needed eradication.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:22 PM

8. THIS IS NOT OK......

this piece of orange shit cannot be allowed to talk this way. Who in The Repub party will stand and say this IS UNACCEPTABLE

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:23 PM

9. Another example for deplorables to follow - and act accordingly

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:41 PM

10. Horrifying. I just cannot believe that vile thing is president.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:46 PM

11. He's full of toxic vomit.

Hate him more every day.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #11)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:09 PM

15. A giant orange Hefty bag.

Full of broken doorknobs, soured cottage cheese and toxic vomit.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:48 PM

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread bigtree

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:07 PM

14. Our Declaration of Independence -- "all men are created equal"

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #14)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:27 PM

48. Made me think: "All Trumps are created evil"

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:46 PM

16. This is how it starts

Scapegoating is a favorite diversion of tyrants, reducing human beings to a subhuman status. A tried and faux-true strategy: the marked community becomes the vessel of all things bad, repugnant, holding back the rightful, deserving majority from its full, authentic expression.

Everything old is new again. In this case, the old/new needs to be stamped out, annilhilated immediately.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #16)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:58 PM

19. This was precisely Steve Bannon's goal-- to just trash EVERYTHING.

And I’d bet the farm that Bannon and Trump are still in daily contact.

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Response to VOX (Reply #19)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:26 PM

30. I would not be surprised

Bannon is a a dedicated arsonist. Burn the world down and recreate everything in his own image/vision. Unlike the Trumpster, Bannon has an intellect. Which makes him exceedingly dangerous and potentially very destructive.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #16)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:52 PM

33. +1 The same horrible, evil story of demeaning, scapegoating, punishing

The level of this behavior is extreme now, it's appalling and highly dangerous as history shows.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:48 PM

17. Thank you to you and Fr. Martin, bigtree

I follow him on Twitter too. He is correct. This is horrible.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:01 PM

20. K&R

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:03 PM

21. Is there not ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN willing to stand up and say, "enough"?

No senator, congressperson, governor, anyone? They OWN this toxic shit, lock, stock, and barrel. The "animal" is tRump, the rabid skunk.

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #21)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:09 PM

24. We all need to CONTACT THEM about their dereliction of duty and

failure to honor and fulfill their oaths of office.

You can do it right now -- easy:

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TEXT your faxes: Text RESIST to 50409
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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #24)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:12 PM

25. Thanks, RandomAccess. You're right. If enough of us contact them,

surely SOME of them will get the message. (I hope!)

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #25)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:19 PM

28. I just created a whole OP on the subject

Thanks for your support. I think this is our most important job -- aside from electoral work, of course.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:07 PM

22. Please also post the Twitter links

when you post things like this.

Some of us may want to go retweet, read other comment resonses, etc.

Thanks.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #22)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:21 PM

29. here's the deal

...I normally post twitter links to reporters, agency and government officials, and the like, usually not private individuals.

In this case, the actual story was at the link I provided.

Twitter users can simply paste the name of the tweeter into the Twitter search feed and find the post.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #29)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:45 PM

32. Yes, of course Twitter users can do that

But YOU are already there; YOU are already at the very tweet involved.

I don't think it's too much to ask, given the reasons I gave. One more copy/paste is a lot less trouble than opening Twitter, copying and pasting the relevant name and then SEARCHING what may be a long list of retweets, etc. Hell, I'm still getting likes and retweets on a response I made weeks ago, and I have followed YOUR prescription for getting the link and run into exactly that: scrolled and scrolled and still didn't find it.

But hey, if it's just. too. much. trouble. for you -- well, then -- shrug.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #32)

Wed May 16, 2018, 10:49 PM

36. it's not the 'trouble'

...it's an editorial decision about what links I think are appropriate for this forum.

Like I said, there's enough information in the post for the actual subject of the post, and there's enough information for you to veer off where ever you want.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #36)

Wed May 16, 2018, 11:17 PM

37. Oh, I didn't realize you were the editor here

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #37)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:51 AM

40. I'm the editor of my own posts

...and you're the only one here right now telling someone (me) how to post.

Honestly.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #40)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:02 AM

43. Now you have two

I also would have appreciated a link.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #43)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:14 AM

46. try to understand

Last edited Thu May 17, 2018, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

...I try to avoid promoting individual's twitter feeds, like the Jesuit priest's, unless they're somehow integral to the post.

It's a landmine on a site like this which values an adherence to progressive sources. If I don't recognize the source, or believe they're superfluous to the post I try and leave them out. In this case, I don't know the Jesuit priest's views and didn't want to promote other issues he may be associated with ( he may be okay, but I don't know) or link to his twitter feed here.

I'm also reluctant to post the fascist's speech.


but, here:


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Response to bigtree (Reply #40)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:18 PM

49. Oh, so in other words

you, the editor and writer of youor own posts, deem that a link to your Twitter source is "inappropriate" content to include because --

it's too damn much trouble. Because I can't see any other legitimate reason for such an "editorial" decision.

Got it. Like I said the first time.

Oh -- and I'm not TELLING you how to post, I'm asking you.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #49)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:08 PM

50. all this nonsense

...has nothing to do with the point of the op.

"Because I can't see any other legitimate reason..."

It's not your call, Random Access. I decide what to include in my posts.

Thanks for the kicks, though.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #50)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:51 PM

52. Yes, I know

You may not appreciate the exchange aside from the kicks you mention, but I most certainly have. It's something I'll remember for a good long time. As in always.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #52)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:15 PM

53. you lost absolutely nothing

...from disrupting this thread with this nonsense.

Everything you needed was right in front of you. You not only have the ability to access the info you say you need, I provided the sources (if not the links) for you to follow up on. The relevant link, the subject of the op, was provided for you.

You also appear to have the time to make all of that happen for yourself, as you've found the time to badger me. 'Remember' that.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:07 PM

23. It's totally despicable...depraved...

And is the essence of racism at its worst.



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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:12 PM

26. deep seated racism is to be expected from the son of a kkk wizard-its why RW* wanted him.

*and Kremlins western destabilisers-democracy crushers.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:18 PM

27. Human behavior is far more worrisome than that of animals.

That fellow humans would support and defend Trumps words is deeply troubling.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #27)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:56 PM

34. Amen, is that the truth.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:58 PM

35. The man is sick!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:49 AM

39. K&R...

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:12 AM

41. But...

Remember when Mitt said “we’re all children of the same God”? I do.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 06:58 AM

42. Cries she with silent lips,

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore," she wrote. "Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 08:25 AM

44. Dump is the animal, acting on instinct, no sense of shame, no sense of the future consequences of

his actions.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:01 AM

45. Agreed. That is a disgusting, dehumanizing way to talk about a group of people. n/t

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:32 AM

47. Calling people animals is strategy

Hateful dehumanization and degradation of political enemies was normalized long ago. "Deplorables," "Dotard," and all of the name variations are accepted as innocuous expressions because hate was normalized long ago.

Hate as a response to bigotry is not resistance. It is participation that has facilitated mainstream acceptance of dehumanization of groups and personal degradation. Normalized hate is deeply embedded in US culture and is defended as a response based on noble intentions.

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