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Wed May 16, 2018, 02:08 PM

Mueller will get Trump. Only question is .."when"..not "if"

..I got to thinking about a doctor who is being charged with crimes of taking advantage of patience and the insurance companies to the tune of millions. The "feds" got him. You can see the story in Latest News Forum. The doctor who treated arthritis thought he could "get away with it" Bought a plane and drove a Rolls Royce. But the "feds".." got him. "
Mueller and his team are among the best investigators in the entire country. The team has specialties in all areas of this investigation. That team, like the team on the doctor, will get "them"...It isn't him, it is "them" Muller is not new. He and the people he consults and works with have been doing this for many years.

We are all impatient. That is how we are. This Trump is an awful crook. But Mueller and his team will get him. Why so sure? Trump doesn't seem to care about "the law." It appears that many in Trumps gang have "broken the law"...
..."Mueller and his team are experts at catching people like Trump. In all areas that Trump and his gang may have "broken the law." It will take time. One person agreeing to cooperate with Mueller accusing another for a shorter sentence. It will go up the line. It will take some time. Mueller and his team want to get the crooks. Mueller's team will get them. All of them..

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Reply Mueller will get Trump. Only question is .."when"..not "if" (Original post)
Stuart G May 2018 OP
DonViejo May 2018 #1
Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #2
Stuart G May 2018 #3
lame54 May 2018 #4
Stuart G May 2018 #8
lame54 May 2018 #11
pangaia May 2018 #13
lunasun May 2018 #28
Kirk Lover May 2018 #34
pangaia May 2018 #37
Kirk Lover May 2018 #43
pangaia May 2018 #48
cynatnite May 2018 #47
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #32
lame54 May 2018 #35
pangaia May 2018 #14
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #33
pangaia May 2018 #36
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #39
pangaia May 2018 #42
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #44
pangaia May 2018 #49
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #51
Thunderbeast May 2018 #22
lame54 May 2018 #23
bearsfootball516 May 2018 #29
pangaia May 2018 #40
lame54 May 2018 #41
basta May 2018 #5
Stuart G May 2018 #25
ProudMNDemocrat May 2018 #6
Stuart G May 2018 #10
shanny May 2018 #7
pangaia May 2018 #50
lapfog_1 May 2018 #9
wiggs May 2018 #12
Xolodno May 2018 #15
kentuck May 2018 #16
byronius May 2018 #27
OliverQ May 2018 #17
Va Lefty May 2018 #18
OliverQ May 2018 #19
nature-lover May 2018 #26
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #31
Faux pas May 2018 #20
get the red out May 2018 #21
malaise May 2018 #24
Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #30
oberliner May 2018 #38
Kirk Lover May 2018 #45
oberliner May 2018 #46
Cicada May 2018 #52
Oneironaut May 2018 #53
Sunlei May 2018 #54

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:13 PM

1. Next month (June) at least four charges related to obstructing justice will be announced...

Effectively, Mueller will be throwing red meat into the public discussion and, while everyone is gnawing on it, the Russia investigation will continue. Several analysts have reported this while appearing on MSNBC programs; the program Hosts never picked up on the egg dropped in front of them, e.g. Chris Matthews

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #1)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:16 PM

2. Havent had time to watch lately, so I am sure you are right.

The question then is who, did they even remotely point the fingers?

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #1)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:21 PM

3. Yes,..thank you for posting this. I had not heard or seen this. (4 charges in June)

..Mueller knows. your 5 words, "..the Russia investigation will continue..." are so important.

I believe that Mueller knows that the Trump gang have broken the law. The question is "proving beyond doubt" Beyond "all doubt." I also believe that Mueller and his team are better at uncovering crime, and charging and convicting those....who do so... than Trump and his gang are at covering up crime.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:23 PM

4. On paper...

But who will drag him out of the whitehouse

He's not leaving on his own

Nobody has explained - or is even talking about- the end game

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Response to lame54 (Reply #4)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:31 PM

8. We ain't there yet. The "end game" will play out on its own...

No one needs to explain, it just plays out. It happened with Nixon. It happened with many governors over the years...other elected officials who got "caught", and it will happen with Trump. Why do I think so?..Because it seems to me that Trump has broken the law...but Mueller will find out for sure....

....When it is all "exposed" it will play out..There was a guy running for president in 2007. Looked like he had a chance..but............................
..... He got caught cheating on his wife..(I forgot his name) It "Played Out" ..he ain't a public figure no more..not in the news..ain't running for nothing...gone..good-by..etc.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #8)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:42 PM

11. More denial...

Trump ain't Nixon
Trump ain't nobody but Trump
"The end game will play out on it's own" is another way to avoid talking about it
Trump is not leaving on his own volition
We are in uncharted territory and nobody is discussing what it is going to take to actually get him out of there

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Response to lame54 (Reply #11)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:51 PM

13. THIS is what I wish people would truly wake up to ! You are absolutely 100% right.


WHO will arrest him/them?
Who will prosecute?
Who will be the presiding judge?

WHO will hang the bell around the cat's neck

I have no confidence whatsoever.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #13)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:55 PM

28. ++++me neither . If something does happen that's good but hardly expecting it

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Response to pangaia (Reply #13)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:17 PM

34. The American People will do it. Even his own fool followers don't want Mueller fired because

 

I believe deep down a lot of them KNOW. It's either sooner or later but the bottom line is he shall not survive this.

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #34)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:27 PM

37. I wish I could agree with you. But I fear not.

AlthoughI hope you are right.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #37)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:31 PM

43. Don't worry.... we all can't be "optimists". I got you. Whenever I see some lamenting

 

I try to infuse some hope. I have slept well because I KNOW he is going down and in addition history is going to eviscerate this man. Good times are ahead.

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #43)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:44 PM

48. Thanks for letting me be a pessimist on this. I have seen too much to be otherwise.

Last edited Wed May 16, 2018, 10:26 PM - Edit history (1)

But we DO need optimists to balance us pessimists.

I surely hope you optimists are right.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #13)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:37 PM

47. This is why the Dems have to win the house...

That's the only way to get the ball rolling on ridding the WH of tRump and his cohorts.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #11)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:16 PM

32. Can't we

all make a citizens arrest?

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #32)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:23 PM

35. Ask the secret service

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Response to lame54 (Reply #4)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:52 PM

14. THAT is the real issue!

Somebody will have to go in there and drag him out.


WHO?

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Response to pangaia (Reply #14)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:17 PM

33. If he's breaking the law...

I'll take one for the team and make the entry and arrest.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #33)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:26 PM

36. I'm in......

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Response to pangaia (Reply #36)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:28 PM

39. Pangaia

'we could be heroes. If just for one day.'

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #39)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:30 PM

42. Are you really on crutches, though?



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Response to pangaia (Reply #42)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:32 PM

44. Yes.

I'll still go in first. That's how I got them.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #44)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:47 PM

49. Haha, i think,....That made my day.

In that case i must go first.

Hell, I'm 74, madly in love with a 50 year old woman in Japan and don't think i stand a chance with her.
Maybee if i help save the world.....


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Response to pangaia (Reply #49)

Wed May 16, 2018, 10:00 PM

51. Keep the faith.

Keep your powder dry.
We're all listening for the whistle to go over the top of the trench, be prepared.
Women seem to love heroes though. See you round.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #4)

Wed May 16, 2018, 05:01 PM

22. Federal Marshalls and the Secret Service

If, and this is a big IF, 67 Senators act like Patriots and convict after impeachment, David Dennison will no longer be President. The football moves to the new President's office. I don't think his "Second Ammendment" friends can save his ass.

While the criminal process will move against other players (including possibly Pence, Ryan, McConnel) Dennison himself will be referred to the political impeachment process for accountability.

Mueller will have a tight case; Impossible to ignore. The cynical traitors that make up the GOPolitbureau may still let him skate citing the impeachment, but not conviction of Bill Clinton on his charge of lying to the FBI. Their calculus will be based on their re-election chances after joining this conspiracy.

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Response to Thunderbeast (Reply #22)

Wed May 16, 2018, 05:07 PM

23. Do you really see that happening?...

Seriously
Do you see that happening?

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Response to lame54 (Reply #23)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:06 PM

29. If he's convicted and refuses to leave on his own, yes.

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Response to Thunderbeast (Reply #22)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:29 PM

40. After impeachment? WHO will impeach him? Ain't going to happen.

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Response to Thunderbeast (Reply #22)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:29 PM

41. To take him out of there...

They would have to get past the secret service
I don't think they will arrest him while he is still president

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:23 PM

5. I sure hope you're right

 

The damage he's doing on a daily basis is almost too much to comprehend we really need to get this moron out of office..

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Response to basta (Reply #5)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:38 PM

25. Yes, you are also right...this moron is "doing damage on a daily basis"& "hard to comprehend." nt.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:28 PM

6. And when the indictments come down........



There will be the evidence to present a rock solid case that will result in a conviction beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The threat of a Presidential pardon for any of these criminals wil not save them against Civil or State charges.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #6)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:33 PM

10. I agree...."a rock sold case"... .."beyond a shadow of doubt"..tht is what is coming...

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:29 PM

7. I think that is true.

What I am waiting to see is if his investigation is deep and wide enough to expose the bone-deep corruption in this country. It is not just tRump! Many / most? of the business elites are in bed with foreign interests for their own greedy reasons, particularly in tRump's case with the Russian mafia/government/oligarchs, which are synonymous terms. It seems to me the choice we face is to go the way of Russia or to revive our democratic republic, politically and economically.

This isn't just about tRump. Getting him out of office will not fix the problem. The rot has been present for decades, or we wouldn't have ended up here.

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Response to shanny (Reply #7)

Wed May 16, 2018, 09:49 PM

50. Yup.... nt

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:32 PM

9. Going to have to wait until January 2019.

When the Democrats retake the House and can pass Impeachment.

Yet to be seen if the Senate will convict and remove OR if Trump would be convinced to resign... along with Pence...

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:45 PM

12. I like your optimism. But I think this matter is still an 'if.' I'm confident Mueller has the

goods, will present a rock solid case, and that it will point to criminal guilt AND impeachable offenses.

But if that happens we will be in uncharted territory. Not only will Trump bring the full power of the presidency to bear (lies from WH, pardons, instructions to DOJ, firings, etc)...but the weight of crime family oligarchs from all over the world (and the media they own) and the weight of a complicit congress (investigations of FBI, clinton, fake investigations of Trump, etc) will also contribute.

It will be a close contest...a shitshow...a crisis. Unless Trump cuts a profitable deal to leave, it will have to go through several courts and end up several times in front of SCOTUS. We may never hear of all the evidence...evidence which goes more toward the impeachable offenses territory rather than the legal. And we may never even hear of the all the sensitive legal stuff either.

Mueller will have the evidence and it will be obvious to most of the country. How it ends is questionable IMO.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 02:56 PM

15. ...and meanwhile this week....

...the US Embassy moved on an obviously timed day to cause the most trouble and make us look like shit to the rest of the world.

...Putin drove a truck full of goods over a bridge into Crimea as its "grand opening".

...Europe is trying to salvage the Iran deal.

...Mid-East is closer to all out war.

...Kim Jon Un is probably going to dangle a deal to the UN that makes US look bad again.

...the tax cuts they enacted are going to increase the deficits.

...its going to take at least a decade or more to repair the State Department and regain some clout in the world, since electing Dump proves the US and its populace can't be trusted.

Dump is gonna go alright...but sadly, he is leaving a legacy.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 03:04 PM

16. I thought Mueller did not believe a sitting President could be indicted??

How else could he get him??

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Response to kentuck (Reply #16)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:53 PM

27. That's a Guliani statement, I believe.

Rudy's making that up. I don't buy it for a second. Mueller would never say such a thing to a subject's attorney.

And Rudy knows that Mueller will never publicly deny it.

Tricksters, through and through.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 03:07 PM

17. The issue is that there is no way to remove him.

One of the fatal flaws of the Founders is they made it too hard to remove a president.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #17)

Wed May 16, 2018, 03:16 PM

18. The Founders did not conceive of a political party complicit in the commission of Treason

That is where we are at.

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #18)

Wed May 16, 2018, 03:20 PM

19. Yup, between that and the pardon power

we're in such a difficult spot. I don't know how we're going to get rid of these people with an entire party being complicit.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #19)

Wed May 16, 2018, 07:45 PM

26. Both need to be addressed by laws when this is finished. Can't happen again!

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #19)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:14 PM

31. So true.

so true. Money corrupts....absolutely...as well.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 03:32 PM

20. Kickin' for the truth!

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 03:32 PM

21. I sure hope you are correct

The survival of our democracy depends on it.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 05:08 PM

24. +1,000

Lock them up!!

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:13 PM

30. Gosh

I sure hope your'e right. Some exceptional friday news would be nice.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:27 PM

38. Nothing will happen if the Republicans won't impeach him, which they won't

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Response to oberliner (Reply #38)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:35 PM

45. They will be forced to once this report and evidence is brought forth. BESIDES, it's

 

what they've been waiting for themselves! They fucking hate this man and this report provides them cover to rid themselves and the country....Cover which I don't think they are even gonna need because most of the American populace is going to be thoroughly disgusted.

Also maybe the Republicans won't even be IN CONTROL come report time.

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #45)

Wed May 16, 2018, 08:36 PM

46. Hope you are right

Optimism can be a good thing!

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 10:01 PM

52. Justice Dept rules prohibit indicting the president

Mueller is a justice department employee, he must obey

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 10:22 PM

53. Sorry, but I disagree.

I do not think Mueller will "get" Trump at all, and anyone who is waiting for him to will be disappointed. There is very little chance he will try to bring actual charges against Trump. In the event that he does, there is virtually no chance Republicans will impeach him. Even if they do, there's an even smaller chance he will be removed from office.

Sorry, but imo, the cold dose of reality in this situation is that Trump will serve out his entire term with no consequences for past and future crimes. He could do virtually anything right now without any recourse. Imo, his associates (like Cohen) will not face any punishment either, as Trump will pardon them all (including, eventually, everybody who was indicted by Mueller). I'm convinced that, even if presented with obvious crimes done by Trump, Republicans would ignore them and refuse to act. They would rather have a traitor in the White House than admit a Republican did something wrong. In the present environment, holding Trump responsible for even the worst, most obvious crimes would be impossible.

The best thing we can do right now is try to retake the House and Senate. Without a blue wave in 2018, we will be virtually powerless.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2018, 10:31 PM

54. Manafort will go down first, Mueller just took out 70 subpoenas for that trial.

Unless Manafort manages to 'fall' off a tall building or down his mansion stairs accidentally

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