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Sun May 13, 2018, 02:06 PM

When it comes to issues of race and bigotry, the onus for change

is on those who treat people of color badly. It's not on the people who are being treated badly. They did nothing wrong. Some suggest that people who receive bad treatment by others should respond by looking down, shuffling their feet and "ma'aming and siring" the people who treat them badly. They should "turn the other cheek," so to speak.

That trick never worked in the past, and won't work now. It's not the responsibility of those who are the victims to treat those who victimize them with any forbearance at all. Instead, making examples of those who victimize and bringing down public disapproval on them is how the victims can make change.

Make such prejudiced treatment a public shame on those who mete it out. Broadcast it far and wide, and tell the names of the businesses, individuals and organizations who countenance such behavior. Boycott them, if necessary. Shame them until they fire the offending people, retrain the rest, and start treating people like valued customers, patrons and members of the community being served.

Enough! We have social media now. Record video of such incidents and make it public. That's what people are doing, and it's starting to make a difference. Offenders ARE being fired. Businesses ARE being boycotted. Organizations are feeling the shame of carrying on in that fashion.

It's time to hold offenders to account and to do that in an open, public way. Show them for what they are and demand that such crap stop. That works. Starbucks is going to open its restrooms to all comers, because two black men who were denied access took what happened public.

The power of public shaming is immense. We should use it!

And that's my opinion this Sunday afternoon.

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Reply When it comes to issues of race and bigotry, the onus for change (Original post)
MineralMan May 13 OP
JustAnotherGen May 13 #1
MineralMan May 13 #2
Wellstone ruled May 13 #3
MineralMan May 13 #4
Wellstone ruled May 13 #6
Dream Girl May 13 #5
MineralMan May 13 #7
Igel May 13 #8
MineralMan May 13 #9
JustAnotherGen May 13 #12
EffieBlack May 13 #13
Solomon May 13 #16
kwassa May 13 #22
treestar May 13 #18
NurseJackie May 14 #32
gollygee May 13 #10
JustAnotherGen May 13 #11
treestar May 13 #19
brer cat May 13 #14
treestar May 13 #15
MineralMan May 13 #17
treestar May 13 #20
mcar May 13 #21
Jamaal510 May 14 #23
Cha May 14 #24
ehrnst May 14 #25
Gothmog May 14 #26
MineralMan May 14 #27
Hortensis May 14 #28
MineralMan May 14 #29
Hortensis May 14 #30
MineralMan May 14 #31
Eliot Rosewater May 14 #33
MineralMan May 14 #34
Gothmog May 14 #35

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:09 PM

1. Thank you n/t

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:10 PM

2. My pleasure!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:11 PM

3. So true my friend.

Remember it was Religion taught many to cower and others to shame.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #3)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:12 PM

4. Yes. It also has taught that some are superior to others.

Enough of that nonsense, too, I say.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:30 PM

6. Growing up

German Lutheran,how well one knows.

So glad those days are gone for ever.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:30 PM

5. Totally agree. Let them know there are repercussions to their deplorable acts.

I’m sure that white woman in Oakland was shocked at what happened to her for confronting the black couple barbecuing while black. Some of them feel so empowered to act out now.

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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #5)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:48 PM

7. Yes. And doing so in public sends the message out to others.

Eventually, bigots will think twice before doing things in public, for fear of being shamed publicly.

Change the behavior; change the thinking.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 02:54 PM

8. It assumes that every incident that looks like that *is* an instance of that.

I had a roommate once who was in the same church I was in, but who saw Satan's hand of persecution everywhere.

If he had a flat tire, it was religious persecution because of Satan.

If he went to buy a pair of shoes and the store didn't have the shoes he wanted in his size, it was the hand of the devil trying him and testing his faith.

The guy at the deli got his order wrong? It was religious persecution because of Satan. And if it wasn't just "he put mayo on my sandwich" wrong but "he put bacon on my sandwich wrong", look out. The church was Torah-observant. Bacon = pig = bad.

The Illuminati, directed by Lucifer himself, was responsible for bacon bits in his salad. (Yes, God does hate shrimp for food, he'd have said. Got evidence of Jesus at a crawfish boil? And those swine that went into the lake weren't exactly fished out by the disciples at his behest for the masses to eat. 'Nuff said.)

Somebody honked flipped him the bird when he did some dumb-ass move while driving. Obviously religious persecution because of Satan.

We won't even discuss the time his car engine caught fire.

Try to tell him that that crap happens to everybody, and he'd frown. It was religious persecution because of Satan. Counter-examples weren't really counter-examples because, well, *prove* it wasn't Satan. His response was that it was Satan's world, so anything that could be construed as religious persecution was religious persecution until proven otherwise beyond any doubt. There was no human agency or assholery allowed without it being personally directed against him by the Dark Lord himself, whether the idiot that backed into his car or the fact that he went fishing and didn't catch any trout. That's how fundie true-believers work. A fact is either confirmation or irrelevant. (I personally found it self-aggrandizing, thinking that he mattered that much.) And given confirmation bias, confirmation's everywhere.

Then he tried dating this one woman and on the first date he told her how she was wrong and needed to see the truth--only to have her call him a crazy person, tell him off, and leave before the main course was even served. It was religious persecution because of Satan, of course. I told him that he was an ass and if she'd been less kind and forgiving she'd have waited a little while then he'd have been wearing his pasta and farting through his cannoli. Again he frowned. It was religious persecution because of Satan. Had to be. He never did anything wrong. When the guy who arranged the date for him put things in a much harsher way, he frowned even more. How deluded could we be not to see the obvious hand of Satan trying to personally make sure he never married, instead blaming him, the innocent victim? (To everyone's great surprise, he finally did get married. If there's ever a saint, it's his wife.)

Now, don't get me wrong. There were people who honestly did treat him badly from time to time because of his religion, and not just because he was generally an ass (can't rule that out as a contributing factor, of course). Somebody would ask why he was taking a day off, he'd say why, and they'd call him a "fucking Jew" or, worse, back away and ask if he was Mormon or a JW. Some would insult him because they assumed he'd voted for Reagan (or Mondale) based on his religion, whether it was the "don't justify certain behaviors" aspect or the "help the poor" aspect. That was low-grade religious bigotry, because his beliefs really had no effect whatsoever on those who were abusive or insulting and generally didn't result in his being put in a death camp. A somewhat higher-grade religious bigotry was when the person involved would tell him to just get out and cancel a sale, or call to ask for a different salesman. Then he lost income because of religious bigotry. Still, no burning at the stack as a heretic or having acid thrown in his face.

The point is that the default setting is that assholery is just assholery, not religious persecution. The default setting is "presumption of innocence," not "everybody's guilty until they prove to me otherwise, and I'm a hanging judge." Of course, he only knew what happened to him, not how his personal foe du jour treated other people. He wasn't omniscient, and even when he was insulted and the insulter's wife would say her husband treated everybody badly, he's still assume that his treatment was both intentional and probative of Satanic intent. He was deeply committed to the fundamental attribution fallacy and the general generalizability of non-random samples. Belief trumps logic.

However, every time there was something that could honestly be called religious bigotry, the only thing he saw was validation and confirmation that all those other instances he called "religious persecution" were, in fact, real religious persecution. In fact, he didn't even need to see it inflicted on him. Just hearing that somebody else was insulted over religion confirmed it. Even if the full story showed that the insult wasn't over religion but somebody else's incompetence as a decent human being.

What was odd was his insistence that he was actually very tolerant and non-judgmental. Like I said, he was generally an ass. But he paid half the rent. Oh, and he didn't throw parties. Generally making oneself into a leper precludes parties.

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Response to Igel (Reply #8)

Sun May 13, 2018, 03:03 PM

9. I'm not seeing how your story about your strange roommate

has anything to do with this thread, frankly.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sun May 13, 2018, 07:36 PM

12. Me either

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sun May 13, 2018, 07:42 PM

13. Me, either

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:45 PM

16. Lol. A lot of writing.

Some people police every thread on racism to make sure the victims get their proper share of the blame.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #16)

Sun May 13, 2018, 09:15 PM

22. Too true.

There are some I see as racism deniers, who have a pattern of showing up frequently in racism discussions. It is the pattern that reveals things.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:53 PM

18. Implying bad things can happen to

Black people without racism? And that if you are black, it will be the answer to every occurrence? True in theory though in America today unless it’s another black person, there’s always going to be a question of racism about a white person’s motives.

I read the lady was right about the barbecue. Yet we think another white person could have done the same thing in front of her and her not call police. Which is probably a correct assumption. In theory a white person might be such a rule follower as to call on anyone. In theory a black rule follower could call on a white offender yet I’ve not seen a news item yet where that happened. Never happens or not newsworthy if it did?

If you are black and see a white person do wrong, what do you do? I would hope call police. But then I could see black people fearing to do that, thinking police will take the wrong side. All very insidious racism not easy to root out.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:09 PM

32. It's a not-so-clever backhanded insult directed squarely at you.

9. I'm not seeing how your story about your strange roommate has anything to do with this thread, frankly.
Sadly, it's a not-so-clever backhanded insult directed squarely at you.


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Response to Igel (Reply #8)

Sun May 13, 2018, 03:05 PM

10. There is no Satan, but there actually is racism

This reminds me of when people compare #metoo to witch trials. There are no witches. There is lots of harassment. Not a valid comparison.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #10)

Sun May 13, 2018, 07:34 PM

11. Amen! N/T

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Response to gollygee (Reply #10)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:55 PM

19. That's a good point

Though to people who believe it, it’s there. Funny the same people often don’t think there is my racism left.

Though the example sound like a nutcase. A lot of people are religious without going quite so absurdly far.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:37 PM

14. K&R

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:39 PM

15. The suggestions of your first paragraph

Made by whom?

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Response to treestar (Reply #15)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:47 PM

17. Not one in particular. Some, as i said.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #17)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:57 PM

20. I doubt that anyone has suggested

Such an approach. O e who would ja likely a white supremacist.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:58 PM

21. Makes perfect sense!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:17 AM

23. K&R

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 02:35 AM

24. Mahalo for your OP, Mineral Man..

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:20 AM

25. K&Rec

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:23 AM

26. Great post

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #26)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:28 AM

27. Thanks.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:31 AM

28. The onus for change is on voters. Simple black-and-white

decision, really: Vote Democrat to say no, Republican or don't vote to support bigotry.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #28)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:33 AM

29. Yes, that is the goal, in the longer term.

In the short term, however, what I suggest is actually working pretty effectively, and also serves to educate those voters.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #29)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:37 AM

30. Yes. But November 6 is VERY short term and

is by far the single most powerful personal action anyone can take.

Not voting Democrat is also the most powerful betrayal of principle any of us could manage also.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #30)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:42 AM

31. Of course we need to vote for Democrats!

I did not suggest anything to the contrary. I'm talking about individual actions to publicize individual injustices.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 02:13 PM

33. Good post and I have been asking others to SHAME the fascists, the deplorables

for a while now for any number of actions that are disgusting, first and foremost racism and misogyny.

If people by the MILLIONS can openly promote their own racism and misogyny with little to no push-back, we lose and we lose more than our dignity, we lose lives.

And yes voting is a VERY important part of this, but it is NOT enough...We do that of course, but these ugly, hate-filled assholes have to be exposed in public, often and loudly.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #33)

Mon May 14, 2018, 02:20 PM

34. Yes. Public embarrassment is a powerful tool against bullying and abuse.

We should use it whenever it is needed.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 08:03 PM

35. Yale Student Is Demanding The White Woman Who Called The Police On Her Be Expelled

There need to be some consequences https://newsone.com/3798939/lolade-siyonbola-sarah-braasch-yale-expelled/#.WvoE_8zuMY8.twitter

On Monday, May 7, White Yale graduate student Sarah Braasch called the cops on Lolade Siyonbola, who will graduate in 2019, for napping in a dorm common room, the Yale Daily News reported. Officers questioned Siyonbola for 15 minutes, claiming that they couldn’t verify she was a student, an encounter which she recorded and posted on Facebook. Though Yale President Peter Salovey denounced Braasch’s actions, she maintains she had the right to alert the police.

There has been national outrage over the incident and now Siyonbola, 28, is calling for Braasch, 43, to be expelled. In an interview with Good Morning America, she said, “Someone who uses the police in the way that Sarah uses it should be held accountable.” Braasch reportedly called the cops on another Black student a few months ago. Siyonbola continued, “Whether that’s expulsion [or] some other form of disciplinary action, there needs to be some punitive measures for people who act out of racially motivated bias.”

She also told the morning show, “I have always said to myself since Sandra Bland was killed, I said to myself if I ever have an encounter with police I’ll film myself.” Sandra Bland died in police custody in 2015 in Texas, and her family maintains it was not a suicide.

Braasch absolutely needs to be punished. While it is good that Yale President Peter Salovey spoke out, Braasch needs to be a clear example that this behavior is unacceptable. Anything less than that would be condoning her clear racism


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