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Sun May 6, 2018, 05:57 PM

Quit saying "white people"

It's "people of white." Or perhaps "person of whiteness" in more formal settings. Out of a sense of human dignity, the personhood should always come first.

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Reply Quit saying "white people" (Original post)
Bucky May 2018 OP
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whathehell May 2018 #18
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SonofDonald May 2018 #40
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The Polack MSgt May 2018 #104
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Civic Justice May 2018 #5
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whathehell May 2018 #21
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Civic Justice May 2018 #9
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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:01 PM

1. I usually say white folks.....is that not kosher?

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:04 PM

2. Why say people of color instead of colored people?

Why say people with Autism instead of autistic people? You put the "people" first. It's about re- humanizing fellow citizens, where the political dialogue attempts to dehumanize us.

The real question is, do you want a political dialogue that promotes shared civil commonalities, or a political rhetoric that promotes divisiveness?

The greatest friend of the political right is the tendency to otherize fellow citizens and keep us all from pursuing shared interests.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #2)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:33 PM

18. How about..

People of No Color?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #18)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:43 PM

23. Sounds pretty negative.

Plus it's not terribly accurate, sociologically speaking, to describe people by the absence of characteristics.

It's like that old stereotype of people from middle-class suburbs saying, "I have no culture. I grew up in the burbs." Of course you have culture! Your sheltered life is just keeping you from seeing it as culture. It's the National Geographic-propounded colonial mentality that culture is somebody else's life.

But mostly I object to the negativity. And frankly I'd rather enlighten people than piss them off.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #23)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:50 PM

30. I was joking, actually.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #18)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:29 PM

40. I'm kind of pink actually n/t

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Response to SonofDonald (Reply #40)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:09 PM

53. Yeah

I'm kinda pink too.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #53)

Tue May 8, 2018, 09:49 AM

73. It's pinkish in some places, more tannish in others. And then there's all those freckles

I'm guessing some people are just not consistently any single color.

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Response to SonofDonald (Reply #40)

Sun May 13, 2018, 09:34 PM

108. Beige

Sort of tan, light tan, beige people mostly.

I grew up with a red headed friend who was really white. She glowed in the dark.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #18)

Mon May 7, 2018, 12:08 AM

61. "Palefaces"??

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Response to lastlib (Reply #61)

Mon May 7, 2018, 04:30 AM

67. There ya go..

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Response to Bucky (Reply #2)

Mon May 7, 2018, 08:42 AM

70. hell Bucky

 

I saw Negro used as a description of POC in reading some S.C.-N.C. everyday news source recently. I chuckled at the term. Is honkie still an okay term to use with people without a clue to their bigotry and racism. Okay to use? People that/who are white? As in POC? White is a colour. Right?

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:48 PM

28. How aboabout jt

colorless people.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:05 PM

3. I prefer melanin challenged. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #3)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:08 PM

7. :*D

Funny.

But parodies of socially sensitive language only mock the seriousness of the political divisiveness that's keeping the GOP afloat these days

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #3)

Mon May 7, 2018, 09:15 AM

72. I always liked

 

that wordplay on race.

So much contention, not enough cooperation. Pitiful.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:06 PM

4. Just reminded me of a George Carlin routine.

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Response to edbermac (Reply #4)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:07 PM

37. Yes we're going to the caucasians again!

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Response to edbermac (Reply #4)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:29 PM

104. That's my gang

It's OK to hit my gang...

George Carlin had an insightful mind

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #104)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:13 AM

112. I'm so white

I was laying on the sheets nekkid and my girlfriend came out of the bathroom and starting calling “Dash Dash where did you go?”

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:07 PM

5. might have to teach this ideology to people of white .....

 

when they refer to people who are black, brown and Tan (yellow) or what ever the tone is...

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #5)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:11 PM

10. The point of examining the political Precision of our language

... is to woke us up to the socio-political realities that help or harm our country and its people.

At the end of the day, do you want to alienate Americans from each other, or unite us in fellow citizenhood?

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Response to Bucky (Reply #10)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:20 PM

13. I got your objective point, which is why I wrote what I did.

 

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #13)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:32 PM

17. Thank you.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:07 PM

6. In South Florida white non-hispanics are termed anglos.

No @#$%. LOL

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #6)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:22 PM

15. That's so dismissive of POWs of non-Anglo origin

are not Slavic, Celtic, Norse, and Mediterranean persons of white to be culturally respected? This is America, dammit! We should all be treated equal!!

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #6)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:42 PM

21. I've heard that term used in the western states..

It's not exactly correct, but it's not at all offensive, imo.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #21)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:43 PM

24. It doesn't bother me either.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #24)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:48 PM

29. No, not at all

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #6)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:29 PM

59. It was like that in Texas too for many years.

I would check "Other" and write it "White. Not Anglo".

I hate that term....

If they create a category Wypipo, I will check it. It sounds kinda cool.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #6)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:52 AM

85. I live in New Mexico,

and I occasionally refer to myself as Anglo.

I also do volunteer work helping to feed the homeless at a local homeless shelter. Because this is New Mexico, most of our guests are Hispanic. The paid kitchen staff works hard with us to make sure we don't just serve (as I've been known to express it) food for Protestants. Indeed, Raoul, the kitchen manager often whips up some extra spicy salsa to serve alongside whatever else we're offering.

Now all of you Protestants here do not need to take offense, as I'm intending a large degree of irony. I happen to be someone who does not care for very hot as in chili pepper hot food, although I like well-seasoned food. But spicy hot? No thanks.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:09 PM

8. can i still call myself a little old white lady? ;)

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Response to samnsara (Reply #8)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:13 PM

11. As long as you put the little first, I think we're good

Although your appropriation of that term is inherently colonizing to people who are shorter than you

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Response to samnsara (Reply #8)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:37 PM

19. What if you get rid of the "white" — no, wait, hear me out — and add "from Pasadena"?

Last edited Mon May 7, 2018, 12:23 AM - Edit history (1)

It just seems catchier, to me.

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Response to sl8 (Reply #19)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:45 PM

25. Okay

But only you people can use that phrase. Everyone else needs to say "person of little oldmess from Pasadena"

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Response to sl8 (Reply #19)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:34 PM

44. "Behind the rickety doors of her old garage

sat a brand new shiny red super stock Dodge!"

Those were the days.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #8)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:53 PM

32. Unless you are actually short..

That term always sounds a tad belittling to me.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #32)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:25 PM

39. "Little" can be a little belittling. n/t

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Response to sl8 (Reply #39)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:10 PM

54. Yes, I agree.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:10 PM

9. might want to teach this concept to people of white....first

 

when they refer to people who are black, brown and Tan (yellow) or what ever the tone is... as 'colored, black, brown and etc... Oh' I forgot many people of white did not respect the "person-hood" of others who were not white.... surely, that's how it got laid out as color description before person-hood.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #9)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:19 PM

12. Exactly my point!

But you have to understand that it's inherently prejudicial to judge everyone in the group by the negative behaviors of some in the group.

This is equally educational to POCs and POWs.

And with all due respect, I think this country has had enough of this "people of white first" mentality. No one is more deserving than anyone else! If we choose to "be the change we wish to see in the world", should we not start with ending that sort of political segregationism?

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:20 PM

14. What do you make of "Short People"?

"People lacking height got no reason ..."?

Babs certainly wasn't taking any chances with her song, she made sure that "people" came first, last, and between all the other words:
"People, people who need people, are the luckiest people ...".

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Response to sl8 (Reply #14)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:27 PM

16. God bless Barbra Streisand!

I don't pretend to be perfect about this Progressive nomenclature yet, but I hope I can strive to respect all persons in the stature of their humanity rather than the accidental distinctions in their altitude.

Jefferson and Lincoln found greatness in propagating the notion that all men are created equal. But even their language needs an update to "all people are created equal", just to refine the expression of that beautiful and democratic ideal

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:39 PM

20. OMG! You're being serious!?

Thought you were making a sarcastic point.

But you're serious aren't you.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #20)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:46 PM

27. shhhh

let me play this out

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:42 PM

22. As a white woman...

While I get your point, I think it’s pretty silly. Here’s the thing: For the same reason people don’t really need a reminder that all lives matter or white lives matter in the same way we need the reminder that black lives matter (cause our society makes it clear daily that they don’t)... whiteness is pretty much considered the default. Most of us are clear on the fact that white people are people (particularly white men) In our current world, for POC? Yeah, unfortunately, not always so much.

We “people of white” need to lay off the bullshit that we’re in a post-racial world and that whites are just as put-upon as people of color. Deep down, you know it’s crap and that it’s done to once again dismiss the experiences of minorities.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #22)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:54 PM

33. We also need to stop mocking people of color

and minimizing their experiences.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #33)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:55 PM

35. Exactly!

Thank you.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #33)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:59 PM

36. Agreed.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #22)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:55 PM

34. But the point is to undermine the defaultness of white

After all, is that not the common denominator? Should we not recognize our differences as being subservient to our commonalities? That seems like a more positive and progressive path for subverting patterns of racism in our national culture.

Besides which, "people" means "people." I'm talking about the culturo-poltical wounds aggrivated by the alienating phrase "white people." When did you ever hear that phrase used to promote healing and Interculturalism?

It's the otherization involved in the phrase "white people" that's reinforcing the artificial political divisiveness that supports right-wing identity politics. I'd rather be the change.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:45 PM

26. Well, there's this....

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #26)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:37 PM

45. Yes!

gorgeous humanistic sentiments

Depeche Mode

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Response to Bucky (Reply #45)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:39 PM

46. 😉

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:52 PM

31. I'm a White person. I say white people.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:12 PM

38. When asked what race I was on a form in the doctors office this week...

I answered HUMAN.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #38)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:32 PM

42. !!!

Excellent!

I got surveyed by the u.s. census recently. Under race I checked off white, because there's legit reasons to track that kind of information. But under ethnicity I responded United States. Specifying any kind of European identity doesn't make much sense for someone whose families have resided on this continent for at least seven generations.

I don't begrudge anyone their sense of European-derived identity, or any other transoceanic identity, but for me I feel about as English as the 4th of July and about as Dutch as chocolate ice cream. I feel as attached to my European ancestors as I do to my earlier Indo-European ancestors from the Russian steppes or earliest Homo sapiens sapiens ancestors from the Rift Valley. I'm sure they were all nice people, but I derive no identity from them.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #42)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:59 PM

48. +1

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #38)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:46 PM

51. I do the same thing, and have been...

...doing so for years.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:29 PM

41. Lol I am a "lightly tinged descendent of Mitochondria Eve"

Well done

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Response to grantcart (Reply #41)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:33 PM

43. :*D

Beautiful!

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Response to Bucky (Reply #43)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:42 PM

47. I have a feeling ME or GrandME as I call her wouldn't be too happy about all this tribalism

Still going on.

It appears we need an invasion of aliens to get a perspective.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:26 PM

49. How about American Americans...

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Response to lame54 (Reply #49)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:48 PM

57. Shit, that's everybody!!

but I will refer you to the words of that famous American-American philosopher Henry David Thoreau

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:33 PM

50. I'm gonna keep "You white boys are crazy" for now. I think these are called first world problems.

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Response to winstars (Reply #50)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:45 PM

56. True

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:47 PM

52. John Oliver did a bit people keep making terms longer. From 3 syllables to your 4. I choose whitie!

.

There. I made it one word and one syllable shorter.

Or, to really condense things, call white people, Whites! Now we're at a single syllable.

.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #52)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:45 PM

55. Now... extend that logic out to other groups

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Response to Bucky (Reply #55)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:20 PM

58. Why should it be my task? I'm not the one pushing literacy correctness, since language is dynamic.

.

Those who profess grammar to that degree fail to grasp what every linquistics professor teaches.

Language is fluid and changes over time. Regardless of how things are written, as long as the message is conveyed, language served it purpose. They give examples of transposing words, inseting typographical ettors, switching certain words to near words, etc. And pretty much everyone can read it and extract the message intent on being delivered. Language has done its purpose.

.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:31 PM

60. "People of white" - that's too funny!

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #60)

Mon May 7, 2018, 12:16 AM

63. lol.. I like it!

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

62. What about "people of non-color?"

**

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #62)

Mon May 7, 2018, 01:58 AM

64. Among other problems, it's not strictly accurate

I suppose you could be a wag and argue that white is the absence of color. But that's only true if you're talking about the science of light refraction, not if you're talking about people. In common language white is a color. And the legal phrase "race, creed, or color" applies equally to people of white and people of color.

If someone holds up a typical sheet of copier paper and asks "What color is this?" you would say "it is white" no? But then, if someone held up a typical Caucasian and said "What color is this?" then you'd probably say tan or pink, depending on the season and assuming it isn't George Hamilton. So in reality, there is no such thing as a person of non color.

My point is, you shouldn't hold people up.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #64)

Mon May 7, 2018, 04:31 AM

68. I was being coy

It's hard to indicate the subtleties of humor in online discussion.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #68)

Tue May 8, 2018, 09:54 AM

74. Don't tell anyone...

but the whole point of this thread is to prompt fresh thinking.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #64)

Sun May 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

92. And therefore white people are people of color.

BAM!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #92)

Sun May 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

93. LOL

If you make the argument about color instead of about socioeconomic violence against vulnerable segments of our society, you can almost miss the point.

That's part of what's so brilliant about the Russians targeting both left and right Americans with their race-trolling. We get so wound up talking about race, we forget that this is supposed to be the land of opportunity for all. We forget that when we help other people overcome historic discrimination, we're really helping ourselves as well

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2018, 02:34 AM

65. Rec.

Well done.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2018, 03:38 AM

66. Now I know where you got your screen name from

That cat in 'Get Fuzzy'.

http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #66)

Tue May 8, 2018, 09:55 AM

75. Ha!!

My nickname actually precedes Get Fuzzy by a generation or so. But I've had friends notice some similar personality traits

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Response to Bucky (Reply #75)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:46 AM

83. I share some of those traits with that cat. Not all, but some.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2018, 05:43 AM

69. Just use the abbreviation: EA

European-American.

Problem solved!

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Response to DFW (Reply #69)

Tue May 8, 2018, 09:59 AM

77. No thank you! That would be entirely inaccurate

No, I am not European. I don't think, act, or dress like a European. I'm sure those people are very nice people. But I feel zero connection to their culture (other than the usual "brotherhood of man" sentiments I feel to all humans, of course)

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Response to Bucky (Reply #77)

Tue May 8, 2018, 12:20 PM

87. You don't need to think, act or dress like a European

That's where the "A" part comes in. Your ancestry has only to do with your physical ancestry, not your current cultural makeup. For that matter, my younger nephew, when at work, is just as likely to dress in a Dashiki as anything else, But he looks Japanese because his mom is Japanese, and he received a larger proportion of her genes than his older brother did. But since he works a lot in Abuja and Kano these days, he sometimes dresses like the people he works with. Since he speaks little Hausa, he communicates in English or Arabic. It still doesn't change his ancestry--he is and remains Asian-American. The fact that he talks like a guy from northern Virginia (when he speaks in English, that is) doesn't change that.

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Response to DFW (Reply #87)

Sun May 13, 2018, 09:15 AM

91. People are amazing. I love stories of human diversity

Thanks for sharing your family's

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2018, 08:49 AM

71. PWAW

 

people who are white?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #71)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:19 AM

82. .

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2018, 09:59 AM

76. It's flesh

I always coveted that flesh colored crayon that only came in the best crayon pack.

I am a flesh supremacist.

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Response to Cary (Reply #76)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:05 AM

78. but... but...

but everyone is "fleshtoned" (see below), how can I discriminate between people when we just treat everyone like a human being?

hate don't got a color ==>

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Response to Bucky (Reply #78)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:11 AM

80. I prejudge orange people

Orange isn't flesh.

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Response to Cary (Reply #80)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:18 AM

81. Hey man....!! :(

words can hurt

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:06 AM

79. This is a really helpful and productive post

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:49 AM

84. Whiter shade of pale

For those with more melanin: Coppertone Baby.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2018, 10:58 AM

86. I insist on being called "Melanin Deficient American" or MDA

You may have heard of us, Jerry Lewis raised money for us for years. It has been a terrible handicap my whole life. I wear SPF 150 sunscreen all winter. On the Osmond Whiteness Scale, my score is 1.83 Maries. I once met Johnny Winter and he said “You play guitar pretty good, for a white boy.” I am somewhere between a fish belly and a bedsheet. When I was a child I was sent to the Institute for the Very Very White for scientific study. My spirit animal is the Samoyed.

Okay, so let’s let “Wypipo” go, it’s a dead subject. Sounds like a small town in Wyoming anyway. On second thought, we could use it as a euphemism for a rural white town in a red state. Wypipo, Wyoming. Pop 375, of whom 400 voted for the Dotard. It kind of turns it back on them.

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Response to Orange Free State (Reply #86)

Sun May 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

96. LOL - I love it! "somewhere between a fish belly and a bedsheet"

In a science fiction book I am reading - one of the Elizabeth Moon books of the Vatta's War series - there is a system that is described as "melanin deficient" whose inhabitants are very prejudiced against people with increased levels of melanin. The nickname given to them is "Fishbellies." At one point before they prove themselves to be thieves, slavers, and murderers, the captain objects to calling them Fishbellies because of their coloring. One of the crew members claims it is not their color that gained them that nickname but their attitudes towards outsiders.

That series of books was published between 2003 and 2008 so Elizabeth Moon was anticipating what we face today.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2018, 12:22 PM

88. Or maybe "Colorless people"

Since anglo, white people, wypipo, all seem to offend.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2018, 12:32 PM

89. European American???

BTW I identify as a person with a disability.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #89)

Sun May 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

94. That's what white supremacists have been using lately

since Latinos and Middle Eastern people and mixed people can look white.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #94)

Sun May 13, 2018, 09:25 PM

107. middle eastern people are white

Caucasian, that is. Indians are too, though there is some sense they are preferring to be considered Asian.

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Response to treestar (Reply #107)

Mon May 14, 2018, 07:36 AM

109. I do have some white ancestry but am definitely a nice chocolate brown

Obama was also half white. White supremacists deliberately like to divide people.

White supremacists only allowed Southern Europeans and Catholics into their ranks recently. They used to limit it to Anglo-Saxons and Protestants.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #109)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:49 AM

110. True the xenophobia of the late 19th century

was directed at southeastern European immigrants and Irish. Which makes me believe that even if they had the country all white again, another division of upper and lower would be created in their minds.

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Response to treestar (Reply #110)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:55 AM

111. Anglos and Saxons used to be divided. Norwegians and Swedish would self segregate

and it wasn't that long ago.

Some folks want to take us back to that time. After they finish off black and brown people, the southern Europeans and Irish will get it in round 2.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #89)

Sun May 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

95. Well, "European American" isn't accurate about me.

All the ancestors of mine that I know of come from North America.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #89)

Sun May 13, 2018, 06:22 PM

97. Why not...

African-American, Asian-American, why not tack European-American into the ridiculous hyphenated grouping.

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Response to infidel621 (Reply #97)

Sun May 13, 2018, 06:49 PM

102. Yes...

 

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2018, 09:35 AM

90. Is an orange person a person of color, or a person of white??



Or, thinking of tRump and Boehner, are they actually persons?? IDK......

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Sun May 13, 2018, 06:42 PM

99. Lmao.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 06:44 PM

100. Lots of these lately. Many.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 06:46 PM

101. People of pinkness. nt

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 06:59 PM

103. actually it's "isle of wight".

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 08:32 PM

105. I have lost track of what we call any race without offending someone these days.

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Response to Bucky (Original post)

Sun May 13, 2018, 09:20 PM

106. Person of Colorless?

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Response to kwassa (Reply #106)

Mon May 14, 2018, 01:26 PM

113. White's a color.

I mean, it's not meant to mean literally white. It's a social convention meaning people in the pink-to-tan range

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