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Thu May 3, 2018, 02:42 PM

 

Why did Giuliani make Trump responsible for paying for Stormy Daniels'

NDA? Here's a theory.

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Reply Why did Giuliani make Trump responsible for paying for Stormy Daniels' (Original post)
Sophia4 May 2018 OP
Cicada May 2018 #1
Sophia4 May 2018 #2
meadowlander May 2018 #3
disndat May 2018 #4
HipChick May 2018 #5
djg21 May 2018 #6
Sophia4 May 2018 #7

Response to Sophia4 (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 04:44 PM

1. If they take the heat off Cohen, he is less likely to rat out Donald

If Cohen gives to Stormy he breaks campaign laws. If he just fronts Trump itís not so bad? So Mueller has less leverage over Cohen?

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Response to Cicada (Reply #1)

Thu May 3, 2018, 05:15 PM

2. It's that and so much more complicated.

 

Cohen is in trouble no matter what happens.

It's a real tug of war over Cohen's testimony right now.

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Response to Sophia4 (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 05:19 PM

3. The proof was going to come out anyway.

They must have calculated that the least damaging version of the facts was that Trump paid her off himself because the alternative is money laundering or bank fraud or evidence of payoffs from Russia. Of course, the way they structured the payment is still money laundering and bank fraud but they must be trying to hide the real origin of the money somehow.

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Response to Sophia4 (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 05:38 PM

4. Maybe Guiliani did some Fancy footwork

He got Trump off the hook for using campaign money to pay off Storm Daniels which would have been criminal.
Instead Trump rather be embarrassed by admitting that he did have the sexual affair with his accuser.

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Response to Sophia4 (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 06:43 PM

5. Last month, Cohen was saying that he had not gotten his money back..

There is no evidence to proof otherwise, other than Rudy running his mouth..

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Response to Sophia4 (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 06:50 PM

6. Posted this elsewhere

 

Trump himself can contribute as much of his own money as he wants to his own campaign, and there are no campaign contribution limits that are applicable. On the other hand, the trump campaign would have to disclose any money Cohen paid out to third parties on its behalf and the value of any services he provided on behalf of the campaign as in-kind contributions. The $130,000 payment to Stormy also would exceed applicable contribution limits (https://www.fec.gov/updates/contribution-limits-for-2015-2016/).

Cohen and Trump are in a hard place: either (1) Trump reimbursed Cohen, in which case there arguably is no campaign finance law violation, but Trump confirms that he is a lying and adulterous POS who paid hush money to those he sexually exploited; (2) Trump knew of or learned of the payment after the fact, and failed to disclose it in campaign finance reports his campaign committee filed with the FEC, in which case the Trump campaign violated election laws and committed a crime, and Cohen also committed a crime by making an overlimit contribution; or (3) Trump claims he didnít know about the payment at the time and wasnít represented by Cohen in connection with his Stormy daliance, but nevertheless refunded Cohen the money that Cohen paid out, in which case Cohen breached any number of ethical rules pertaining to attorneys, there arguably was no attorney-client privilege, and the NDA is unenforceable because there never was an agreement to which Trump was a party.

The option that seems to subject Trump to least immediate peril seems to be number 1. We all already know that Trump is a lying and adulterous POS, and unfortunately, that alone is not a crime. Moreover, most of his base probably thinks it great that he was screwing porn stars.

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Response to djg21 (Reply #6)

Thu May 3, 2018, 06:53 PM

7. Thanks for your clear response.

 

Personally, I think more facts will emerge on this.

Did Trump just hand a certain amount of money to Cohen each month with no accounting with regard to what the money was used for? Or did Trump know in advance who would be paid and precisely how the transaction would be handled?

How many transactions did Trump think he was paying for? Or was the $35,000 per month just a monthly retainer about which Trump did not ask questions?

These are just a few questions that come to my mind.

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