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Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:38 PM

So now we have had another attack with an assault weapon...

How long before we start seeing the posters on here that only appear when it is time to defend assault weapons and make crazy claims like target practice with an AR15 is a legitimate "sport"? The gunsplainers who post on nothing else? The Second Amendment enthusiasts who spew NRA talking points?

Don't let these trolls convince you the banning of these weapons can't be done. The banning of these weapons should be considered a core value of the party.

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Reply So now we have had another attack with an assault weapon... (Original post)
HopeAgain Apr 2018 OP
genxlib Apr 2018 #1
wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #2
JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #3
Iggo Apr 2018 #28
Canoe52 Apr 2018 #30
Straw Man Apr 2018 #15
wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #58
Orsino Apr 2018 #4
Kaleva Apr 2018 #5
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #6
Straw Man Apr 2018 #8
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #11
Straw Man Apr 2018 #14
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #32
Straw Man Apr 2018 #36
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #39
Straw Man Apr 2018 #41
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #17
Straw Man Apr 2018 #21
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #27
Straw Man Apr 2018 #33
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #34
Straw Man Apr 2018 #38
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #40
Straw Man Apr 2018 #42
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #46
Straw Man Apr 2018 #48
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #52
Straw Man Apr 2018 #54
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #56
Straw Man Apr 2018 #59
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #60
Straw Man Apr 2018 #62
MineralMan Apr 2018 #35
Straw Man Apr 2018 #49
MineralMan Apr 2018 #50
Straw Man Apr 2018 #55
Kaleva Apr 2018 #10
Iggo Apr 2018 #29
Blue_true Apr 2018 #20
Straw Man Apr 2018 #31
Blue_true Apr 2018 #45
Straw Man Apr 2018 #47
Blue_true Apr 2018 #51
Straw Man Apr 2018 #53
The_Casual_Observer Apr 2018 #57
Kaleva Apr 2018 #61
Straw Man Apr 2018 #63
The_Casual_Observer Apr 2018 #66
Straw Man Apr 2018 #68
Kaleva Apr 2018 #64
Straw Man Apr 2018 #7
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #9
Straw Man Apr 2018 #12
LanternWaste Apr 2018 #19
Straw Man Apr 2018 #24
NCTraveler Apr 2018 #22
Straw Man Apr 2018 #25
spanone Apr 2018 #13
EffieBlack Apr 2018 #16
HopeAgain Apr 2018 #18
NCTraveler Apr 2018 #23
Straw Man Apr 2018 #26
Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #37
Canoe52 Apr 2018 #43
Initech Apr 2018 #44
billh58 Apr 2018 #65
MyNameGoesHere Apr 2018 #67

Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:41 PM

1. And just when we were allowed to start talking about weapons

Too bad. This resets the clock and it is now again an inappropriate time to talk about guns. This is a time for thoughts and prayers only.

And we were so close too.

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:46 PM

2. Don't forget, before we can have any opinion on these weapons we must be able to define every

single item on every single gun in every single case in every single location in every single year made in every type of material every single manufacturer every single source of parts in every single blah blah blah blah

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:51 PM

3. Uh yup

Not here, but everywhere else - I've started responding -

I couldn't open the hood of my car and tell you the difference between a crankshaft and a sparkplug - do I not get to have any opinions on whether one should have to have a license to drive a car?

It gets them off topic and then those of us who want an honest discussion can do so. Very effective in a local politics group.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:10 PM

28. I just tell them to get on board now with sane gun laws before we hit you with insane ones.

And don't ask me to come up with sane gun laws for you, because I'm for the insane ones.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:13 PM

30. + 1,000

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:39 PM

15. Hyperbole is not your friend.

Nor are straw men.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:17 PM

58. If I use that word in a sentence 5 times is it mine?

The man says hyperbole is not my friend so I have to use hyperbole in a sentence so that hyperbole becomes my friend then the man won’t say hyperbole is not my friend again because hyperbole just became my friend.

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:16 PM

4. I'm sure that "legitimate sport" can be had with an AR-15.

The only operative question ought to be whether the risks outweigh our liberties, or whether any excuse can be formulated that limits our ability to regulate these weapons.

They won't let us study the risks officially, and all they seem to be able to do in the latter case is to pretend that "shall not be infringed" overrides any and all concerns. They just wanna sell us more guns.

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:22 PM

5. The term "AR-15" is like the term "Xerox"

While the name "AR-15" is copyrighted, the patent on the gun itself expired way back in 1977 so today there are many manufacturers of rifles very similar in appearance and construction to the Colt AR-15.

If you just want to ban the AR-15, that's going to leave a lot of assault weapons out there on the market.

And another thing, few seem to have issues with .22 cal. AR-15 like rifles or .410 AR-15 like rifles or the 9mm AR-15 like rifles and so on and so on. Or the pump action AR-15 like rifle. MY guess is you are referring to the semi-automatic AR-15 like rifles that fire the .223 Remington or 5.56mm NATO round.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:24 PM

6. I'm referring to all assault weapons

Thanks to the unnecessary gunsplaining.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:29 PM

8. Here we go again ...

I'm referring to all assault weapons

Thanks to the unnecessary gunsplaining.

Has any military force in the world ever issued an infantry rifle that shoots the .22LR round? No. So can we dispense with characterizations of .22LR variants as "weapons of war" and the concomitant calls to ban them? People like to invoke UK gun laws, but I could own an AR-style rifle in .22LR if I lived in the UK. As a resident of NY State, I cannot. Cognitive dissonance much?

Kaleva has a valid point, but once again your refusal or inability to engage the technical aspects of your proposed ban leaves you unqualified to meaningfully participate in the discussion. All you've managed to convey is that you hate guns. So I ask again: What do you want to do about it and why?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:35 PM

11. Guns with the ability to hold large amounts of ammunition and fire rapidly

That is what we elect our leaders to figure out. As I said to another poster, that is like saying do you know the ins and outs of every aspect of health insurance, including the actuarial information? If not, you don't belong in the conversation on Health Care reform.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:38 PM

14. Please define "large amounts" and "rapidly."

Otherwise your legislation will be hopelessly vague and subjective.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:17 PM

32. I don't pass legislation

A Reasonable legislator can make a proposal after they can hold hearings and discuss what that line should be. Are you up for that? I don't think you are. Gunsplaining is a diversionary tactic.

I don't know a lot about the science of global warming other than our emissions are causing greenhouse gasses, but I do no know that we should not have left the Paris accord. I guess that is an opinion, I should not have either.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:24 PM

36. So you don't know what you want.

That's pretty clear.

A Reasonable legislator can make a proposal after they can hold hearings and discuss what that line should be. Are you up for that? I don't think you are.

What's their metric? How many people a psycho should reasonably be allowed to kill in a given measure of time? The whole premise is bullshit. The result will be an arbitrary number, which will then be used to whittle away at rights, all under the guise of "reasonable" restrictions.

I don't know a lot about the science of global warming other than our emissions are causing greenhouse gasses, but I do no know that we should not have left the Paris accord. I guess that is an opinion, I should not have either.

Do you at least know what is in the Paris accords? If there is a reasonable expectation that it will lead to a reduction in greenhouse gasses, then you can reasonably hold that opinion. I have yet to see you propose anything concrete that will lead to a reduction in deaths from mass shootings.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:26 PM

39. Countries with gun control have less gun violence

look it up.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:27 PM

41. Oh, c'mon. How broad is your brush?

Some countries with LOTS of gun control have LOTS of gun violence.

Look THAT up.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:50 PM

17. That's what we elect our politicians to do.

So what guns do you think should be banned. Or do you think the kind of firepower that was used in Las Vegas is acceptable? Because if you think you know what needs to be said to stop these weapons that are killing too many too fast, then take the lead.

If on the other hand, you think no guns should be banned, then the gunsplaining becomes nothing more than a ruse

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:58 PM

21. Do you want to ban bump stocks? Now we're getting somewhere.

Or do you think the kind of firepower that was used in Las Vegas is acceptable?

Bump stocks enabled his rapid rate of fire. I'm fine with a ban on those.

Because if you think you know what needs to be said to stop these weapons that are killing too many too fast, then take the lead.

"Stop these weapons"? My concern is with stopping the people. The deadliest mass killing in US history that wasn't committed with a bomb was committed with a can of gasoline.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:06 PM

27. So you don't want to ban any guns, why not say that instead of gunsplaining?

I don't understand why any of your gunsplaining is relevant if you are defending everything from a bolt action rifle to an AR.

And as I said, it is a ruse, to try and derail the discussion.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:17 PM

33. I'm not.

I already said I'm OK with banning bump stocks. Magazine limits might be another fruitful area for discussion. I'm not OK with banning semi-auto rifles, which is what your AR ban boils down to once you winnow all the "assault rifle" chaff out of it.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:22 PM

34. Bump stocks aren't guns

Even I know that. Okay then lets ban anything that can hold more than 6 shots, and anything that can reload six shots by just snapping in another magazine. There, we're making progress.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:25 PM

38. So no detachable magazines?

Sorry, not acceptable.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:27 PM

40. Why not? What do you need them for?

Killing a whole herd of deer?

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:28 PM

42. How about self-defense?

Or does that not enter into your worldview?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:35 PM

46. I've never felt the need to take care of myself that way.

I've lived in an urban area for all my life, and never felt more unsafe because I don't carry a gun. What am I going to do, shoot someone who is going to steal my wallet or my TV? I'd rather give it to them than live with that. If I wanted to live longer, I'd stop driving, not start carrying a gun.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:38 PM

48. So you want to deny everyone else the opportunity?

That's not very progressive.

What am I going to do, shoot someone who is going to steal my wallet or my TV?

No, because that would be immoral and illegal. I wouldn't do it either. But I would shoot someone who was attempting to commit physical violence on me or a loved one. Wouldn't you?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:45 PM

52. I can't eliminate all risks and that risk is only getting greater

because we have more and more guns on the street. Plus statistically how often does that happen, that a person has had the opportunity to identify an attack coming as life threatening, get their gun and shoot more than 6 shots, saving himself and others from the harm??

I don't even think about that possibility, the odds are so little.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:46 PM

54. If it saves only one life ...

(Where have I heard that before?)

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:53 PM

56. So while you are waiting to save one life...

17 are taken at MSD High School, the daughter of a personal friend of mine was shot and is carrying a piece of that gunman's bullet behind her eye, and you can't see the absurdity of dealing with violence by doling out more instruments of violence. We will never agree obviously, but rest assured I will do what I can to make sure the Democratic Party takes a stand on this.

You can do the same for how you feel...

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 05:15 PM

59. One life? Or 116,000 lives, or 2.5 million lives?

Estimates for the prevalence of DGU span wide ranges and include high-end estimates—for instance, 2.5 million DGUs per year—that are not plausible given other information that is more trustworthy, such as the total number of U.S. residents who are injured or killed by guns each year. At the other extreme, the NCVS estimate of 116,000 DGU incidents per year almost certainly underestimates the true number. There have been few substantive advances in measuring prevalence counts or rates since the NRC (2004) report.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/defensive-gun-use.html

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 06:29 PM

60. That is not what the study says

That's not even what the paragraph you quote says. A DGU probably does not save a life in most incidents. There isn't even s clear definition of the same.

But looking at something much more quantifiable:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

Plus, how many of the DGUs out there required changeable magazines or semi-automatic rifles to serve it's purpose?

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #60)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 12:25 AM

62. It's all hypothetical.

It's impossible to say what would have happened in a crime that has been prevented.

Your article cites Kellerman, Hemenway, and Wintemute, all of whose findings are controversial and far from "quantifiable."

Plus, how many of the DGUs out there required changeable magazines or semi-automatic rifles to serve it's purpose?

Perhaps someone should do a study. Meanwhile, I'm sure you're aware that ALL rifles, of which semi-auto rifles are a subset, account for fewer than 500 deaths per year.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:24 PM

35. Save it, OK. Not now, please.

There's a good lad.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:39 PM

49. Not now? Why not?

No points for the condescension.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #49)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:42 PM

50. I'm not collecting points.



Take it to the RKBA group. That's my suggestion.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #50)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:47 PM

55. I didn't start this thread.

But I have as much right to an opinion in it as anyone else.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:31 PM

10. Several years ago, I proposed a way to define what an assault weapon is.

Here is a link to a recent OP I had first posted back in 2012:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1172204802

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:12 PM

29. The answer to your original question is 44 minutes.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:57 PM

20. Ok, ban any damned thing that can fire more than 3 bullets in five seconds.

That freaking clear enough for you? If not ban them, keep them out of the hands of psychos and violence prone people. Living in a society requires some compromise, everyone can't demand to have what the hell they want to have.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:15 PM

31. The old single-action revolvers ...

Ok, ban any damned thing that can fire more than 3 bullets in five seconds.

... of the cowboy days could do that easily.



That freaking clear enough for you?

Quite clear, and completely unacceptable to me and, I daresay, to the majority of the American public.

If not ban them, keep them out of the hands of psychos and violence prone people.

That's acceptable to me, as long as it can be done while respecting basic human rights.

Living in a society requires some compromise, everyone can't demand to have what the hell they want to have.

I don't think most people are aware of how many compromises and concessions gun owners have already made.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:30 PM

45. Oh spare me on how many sacrifices gunners have made.

Maybe they should have group hugs with all their guns until they feel better. I don't give a damn as long as they take complete responsibility for securing their precious pets. Other than that, them staying the hell out of the way when the rest of society is trying to keep guns out of the wrong hands would sit dandy with me.

I may not know how many bullets old guns can fire in a small amount of time, but I think I am perfectly aware of the reality that assault weapons, by any name you call them, are designed to kill as quickly and as much as possible in as little time possible, that is complete bullshit and socially unacceptable, people should have THE RIGHT to go to school, or watch a movie, or go to a restaurant to have a meal without having to think about getting their brains blown out by some hateful psycho that has his hands on a weapon that he should have never been allowed to get remotely near. It seem that gunners believe THEIR rights supersede anyone else's rights, that is damned insane.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:36 PM

47. Nice rant. Now, addressing the issue ...

Your right to not be a victim of crime is covered by the criminal code.

My rights supersede no one's -- in fact, you have the same rights to self-defense as I do. If you should choose to exercise them in a state like NY, you will discover what it feels like to have a large bureaucracy dedicated to making your exercise of that right as onerous as possible.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:43 PM

51. I am done.

If it was left up to me, I would melt every private gun in the world down and use the steel for something worthwhile.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:45 PM

53. OK, thanks for the clarity.

I don't agree with your proposal, but at least you're honest about your motives.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:13 PM

57. But somehow the State of California has managed to define things pretty well.

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:03 PM

61. And yet one can still legally buy AR-15 style rifles in California

"Ar15’s are still legal to buy and own in California! People come in every day thinking Ar15’s are banned in California, but with a few modifications they are 100% legal. There are two options in California as of now to make them compliant. The first option is to make your AR Featureless. "

http://rdltactical.com/california-compliant-ar15-rifles/

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #57)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 12:28 AM

63. How well? I see a welter of confusion and arbitrary nonsense.

My favorite is the stipulation that unless your gunsmith has a license to possess a .50 caliber rifle, you must be physically present while he works on yours.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #63)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:32 PM

66. I don't ususally respond to crackpots

but in this case I've made an exception

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #66)

Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:47 AM

68. And I don't usually respond ...

... to vapid ad hominems, but ...

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #57)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 05:00 AM

64. I don't see this AR-15 style rifle on the list

Troy 223 National Sporting Rifle



It's not banned in California as it's a pump action and not a semi-automatic.

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:25 PM

7. Yes, we have.

Four were killed and he was disarmed by an unarmed man. I guess that shatters the myth of the invincible AR, huh? You know, the way its power was invoked when people were excusing the resource officer at Parkland for staying outside because he had only a handgun?

The only reason gun people invoke the technical aspects in these discussions is to clarify exactly what it is that you want to ban and why. If you can't explain that, then no, you don't belong in the discussion.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:30 PM

9. See post two above

We are in the discussion and we won't go away. Do you know the ins and outs of every aspect of health insurance, including the actuarial information? If not, you don't belong in the conversation on Health Care reform.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:36 PM

12. Already saw it.

We are in the discussion and we won't go away.

Feel free to stay and contribute meaningless generalizations, doing nothing to further the discussion.

Do you know the ins and outs of every aspect of health insurance, including the actuarial information? If not, you don't belong in the conversation on Health Care reform.

You might not have noticed, but this isn't the Health Care reform conversation. If I chose to enter that one, I would consider it incumbent on me to familiarize myself with at least a layman's understanding of the issues rather than mocking and attempting to exclude those who know more about it than I do.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:55 PM

19. That's merely one of many reasons... and one ain't 'only'

"The only reason gun people invoke the technical aspects in these discussions is to...

That's merely one of many reasons... unless you have objective evidence which emphatically denies the existence or possibility of other reasons (obfuscation, non-sequitur, appeals to authority, et. al.).

More likely, your bumper-sticker allegation is simply another un-sourced editorial, much like the petulant pretense one has absolute knowledge of who belongs in any given conversation.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:59 PM

24. It's the only reason I've seen invoked in this forum.

With that qualifier, I'll stand by what I said.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:58 PM

22. It shatters the myth that we need to arm everyone.

 

"The only reason gun people invoke the technical aspects in these discussions"

Is because it turns them on.

Humpers gunna hump.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:00 PM

25. Never seen that one, myself.

That straw man is no kin to me.

Haters gonna hate.

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:37 PM

13. watch sales increase....that's america

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:44 PM

16. They've usually started to weigh in by now

Maybe yesterday being Sunday delayed things - since they were tied up in church learning how to hate ...

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:51 PM

18. See above

They are here now

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:58 PM

23. The "definers" have already shown up. nt.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:02 PM

26. Despite the "it's only a matter of time" well-poisoning.

Which we all know is calculated to discourage and discredit any opposing voices.

See how that works?

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:25 PM

37. Dana Loesch will be telling us that it's all our fault by this evening...

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Response to HopeAgain (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:28 PM

43. For the defininsists out there.

If people shouldn't use "assault rifle" or "AR15" as a generic term, then hopefully those who object do not use any of the following as a generic term...

From Wikipedia -

Adrenalin Epinephrine Parke-Davis Widely referred to as "adrenaline" outside of the U.S., and in the BAN and EP systems.[31][32]
Airfix Plastic injection-moulded scale model kits Hornby Railways Still used widely in the UK to describe a scale model as it was the dominant brand at that time.[33] This news article is one example of the brand being treated as a generic term.
Airshow In-flight entertainment moving map Rockwell Collins Not commonly used worldwide.[34][35][36]
Aqua Mineral water Danone Common in Indonesia as a genericized mark for any mineral water.
Aqua-lung Open-circuit underwater breathing set with demand valve See Aqua-lung#Trademark issues Or nowadays often merely "scuba", or "air scuba", when there is a need to distinguish from rebreathers[citation needed]
AstroTurf Artificial turf Monsanto Company (formerly)
AstroTurf, LLC Also gave use to the term astroturfing.[37]
Armco Crash barrier AK Steel Holding Used widely in the UK to describe a crash barrier manufactured from corrugated steel.[38]
Band-Aid Adhesive bandage Johnson & Johnson Often used as though generic by consumers in Canada, the U.S., Australia, and New Zealand, though still legally trademarked.[30]
Biro Ballpoint pen Société Bic Used generically in colloquial British and Australian English, particularly for cheaper disposable pens, but remains a registered trademark. Derived from the name of the inventor, László Bíró.[39]
Bobcat Skid-steer loader Bobcat Company This usage is especially common in Australia. The Clark Equipment Company has successfully defended the trademark against dilution and genericization at least in two cases relating to domain names with the World Intellectual Property Organization.[40][41]
Bubble Wrap Inflated cushioning Sealed Air [42]
Bubbler Drinking fountain Kohler Company Sometimes used as a generic, particularly in Wisconsin, New England[43] and Australia.[44]
Canon Photocopier or to make a photocopy Canon Inc. Like Xerox became a generic name for a photocopier in some countries, Canon became a generic name for it in Mongolia. As Japanese company was the main exporter of photocopiers to this country, they are widely known as Mongolian: канон[45]
Cashpoint Automated teller machine, cash machine Lloyds Bank Commonly used in the UK to refer to any ATM or cash dispensing machine, regardless of which bank or company it is operated by.[46]
Chain gun Motor operated machine gun Orbital ATK [47] Also appears as a definition in the Oxford English Dictionary, describing it as "a machine gun that uses a motor-driven chain to power all moving parts"[48]
Christmas Seals Christmas Seals American Lung Association [49] A Charity label or fundraising seal issued at Christmas time to fight tuberculosis or other lung disease. Trademark was taken in 1987 by ALA, who has issued National Christmas Seals in the US continuously since 1907, to prevent other US National charities from competing.
Chyron On-Screen Graphics or Character Generator(CG) ChyronHego Corporation Hardware and software used in broadcasting for making lower thirds and other on screen graphics. Often used to refer to any kind of on screen graphics regardless of playout equipment.[50]
Cigarette boat Go-fast boat Cigarette Racing The nickname derived from fast powerboats that were designed to smuggle cigarettes fast and outrun law enforcement personnel. Trademark was taken following a founding of a company named after the nickname.[51][52]
Clorox Bleach Clorox Company [53]
Cloudhopper Hopper balloon Lindstrand Balloons [citation needed]
Coke Cola, soft drink, pop, soda Coca-Cola Company Predominantly used in some parts of the UK to refer to any cola (even that of another trademark). Still a trademark.[54]
Colt Revolver Colt's Manufacturing Company A common choice of gun during the Wild West, it was used to describe any revolvers during the 19th century, regardless of brand.[55]
Comic con Comic book convention San Diego Comic-con International In 2014, San Diego Comic-con sued the producers of a similarly named convention, contending infringement of its trademark. The case was decided by jury in December 2017, upholding "comic con" as a trademark of SDCC.[56]
Connollising As a verb, to restore automobile leather interior Connolly Leather Often used by automobile enthusiasts and medias, when to describe restoring leather interiors, thanks to the high international reputation of the company.[57][58]
Crock-Pot Slow cooker Sunbeam Products "Crock pot" and "crockpot" are common synonyms used by cooks to describe any slow cooker.[59]
Cuisinart Food processor Conair Sometimes used in the U.S. to refer to any food processor, but still a trademark.[60]
Cutex Nail polish Cutex Brands, Inc. Mostly used in the Philippines to refer to nail polish, regardless of brand. Often spelled as "Kyutix", "Kutex", or "Kutix."[61]
Decora Rocker light switch Leviton Frequently used in the United States to refer to any rocker light switch regardless of manufacturer,[62][63] but still trademarked.[64]
Dictaphone Dictation machine Nuance Communications To date, one of the five oldest surviving U.S. brands.[42]
Doll Instant Noodle (zh) Instant noodles Winner Food Products (zh) "Doll Instant Noodle" (公仔麵 is commonly referred in Hong Kong for instant noodles.[65] Winner Food Products (永南食品 has been acquired by its former arch-competitor Nissin Foods in 1989.[66]
Dormobile Motorhome Bedford Vehicles
then Dormobile (Folkestone) Ltd Widely used in the United Kingdom to describe any motorhomes.[67] This article by the BBC is an example of the term being used generically.
Dremel Rotary Tool Robert Bosch GmbH Small handheld rotary tools are often called dremels or dremel clones.
Dumpster Front loader waste container Dempster Brothers, Inc. A registered trademark[68][69] of the Dempster Brothers in 1963, dumpster is originally a portmanteau of the word dump and the last name Dempster. It originally appeared in the 1951 product name Dempster Dumpster,[70] while related patents date back to 1937.[71][72]
Durex Adhesive tape (Australia, Brazil) 3M Used in Brazil ("fita durex"[73] and some areas of Australia[39][74][75]
Esky Cooler Coleman Australian usage[76]
Filofax Personal organizer FLB Group Ltd, formerly Letts Filofax Group [77][78]
Fix-A-Flat Canned tire inflator Illinois Tool Works [79]
Formica Wood or plastic laminate Formica Corporation, part of Fletcher Building Widely used for the generic product.
Freon Refrigerant DuPont Frequently used to refer to any type of refrigerant,[81] though Freon is specifically Dichlorodifluoromethane, or R-12.
Frisbee Flying disc Wham-O [82]
Gib board Drywall Winstone Wallboards Widely used term within New Zealand to refer to plasterboard, after the name of the country's market-leading product of its type (still trademarked).[83]
Glad Wrap Cling-film Glad (company) [84] Used in Australia, New Zealand.
Google internet search engine Google Inc. [85][86] See Google (verb)
Hacky Sack Footbag Wham-O [87][88]
Hills Hoist Rotary clothes line Hills Industries Australian usage[89]
Hoover Vacuum cleaner Hoover Company Widely used as a noun and verb.[80] De facto loss of trademark in the UK.[90]
Indomie Instant noodle Indofood Common in Indonesia as a genericized mark for any instant noodle.
Hula hoop Toy hoop Wham-O [91]
Jacuzzi Hot tub or whirlpool bath Jacuzzi [92]
Javex Bleach Clorox Company Used primarily in Canada, where bleach is "eau de javel" as a French-language generic. Acquired from Colgate-Palmolive in late 2006.[93]
JCB Backhoe loader J. C. Bamford Has become a generic term for an excavator mounted with both a front loader and a backhoe in British English, as recognized by the Oxford English Dictionary.[94] Invented by J C Bamford Excavators Ltd., which is still the largest supplier of backhoe loaders.[95]
Jeep Compact sport utility vehicle Chrysler Chrysler recently used "trademark awareness" advertisements to prevent the brand from becoming a generic noun or verb, including such statements as They invented ‘SUV’ because they can’t call them Jeep[96] In Ireland all SUVs are colloquially called jeeps, whereas in the UK they are 'four-wheel drives'.
Jetway Passenger boarding bridge JBT AeroTech The name commonly used to describe any brand of enclosed, movable connector which most commonly extends from an airport terminal gate to an airplane, and in some instances from a port to a boat or ship, allowing passengers to board and disembark without going outside or being exposed to the elements.[97]
Jet Ski Stand-up personal watercraft Kawasaki Used universally to refer to any type of personal watercraft. This news article is one example of usage.
Jiffy bag padded mailing envelopes Sealed Air [98]
JumboTron Large-screen television Sony Still used, although Sony exited the market for this product in 2001.[99]
Kleenex Facial tissue Kimberly-Clark Often used by consumers as if it were generic in the U.S., France and Canada, but still a legally recognized trademark.[30]
Kool-Aid Drink mix Kraft Foods Often used in the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid," referring to the adoption of a dangerous idea because of peer pressure.[100]
Lava lamp Liquid motion lamp Mathmos [101][102]
Learjet business jet Bombardier Aerospace Have been used to describe any business jets regardless of competitors due to Bill Lear's skill in public relations.[103][104]
Lexan Polycarbonate resin thermoplastic glass SABIC [105]
Mace Pepper spray Mace Security International [106]
Matchbox Die cast toy Mattel Used at its height of popularity to describe die cast cars.[107]
Memory Stick Flash memory storage device Sony [108]
Muzak Elevator music, background music Muzak Holdings An often derogatory term frequently used to describe any form of Easy Listening, smooth jazz, or Middle of the road music, or to the type of recordings once commonly heard on "beautiful music" radio stations.[109][110]
NOS (Nitrous Oxide Systems) Nitrous Holley Performance Products Widely used generically to describe nitrous systems used in motor vehicles.[111] One example of this was when it was used prominently in the 2001 film The Fast and the Furious
Onesies Infant/Adult bodysuit (babygro) Gerber Products Company Often used by consumers in the U.S. as if it were generic; "Onesies" still a legally trademarked brand name of Gerber, which objects to its usage in the singular form as "Onesie" or as a generic product name.[112] Recently used to describe an adult bodysuit.[113]
Pampers Diapers Procter & Gamble Pampers are frequently used as a synonym for diapers in Russia and other CIS countries irrespective of actual brand.[114]
Photoshop Photo manipulation Adobe Systems Commonly used as a verb to generically describe digital manipulation or compositing of photographs.[115]
Ping Pong Table tennis Parker Brothers Originally trademarked by Jaques and Son, was later passed to Parker Bros. A number of U.S. organizations nowadays are required to refer its sport as table tennis as means of trademark protection.[116][117]
Plasticine Modelling clay Flair Leisure Products plc Often applied as a name for a putty-like modelling material made from calcium salts, petroleum jelly and aliphatic acids. It is often used as modelling medium for art such as claymation.[118]
Play-Doh Modelling material Kutol Products Company - Hasbro Play-Doh is a modeling compound used by young children for art and craft projects at home and in school. Composed of flour, water, salt, boric acid, and mineral oil, the product was first manufactured in Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S., as a wallpaper cleaner in the 1930s.[119]
Plexiglas, Plexiglass Acrylic glass Altuglas International,
Rohm & Haas (formerly) Often misspelled with a double "s", which appears to have become generic, possibly providing partial protection for the tradename "Plexiglas"[120][121]
Pogo Corn dog ConAgra Foods The generic, but still trademarked, term for corn dogs in Canada, derived from the popular brand.[122][123]
Popsicle Ice Pop; ice lolly (UK); ice block (Australia) Good Humor-Breyers [124]
Portakabin Portable building Portakabin Ltd. Widely used term for a portable modular building in the UK.[125][126][127]
Post-it Sticky note 3M Often used by consumers as if it were generic in the UK, U.S. and Canada, but still a legally recognized trademark.[128]
Pot Noodle Instant noodles Unilever Used widely in the United Kingdom as it is the dominant brand.[125]
PowerPoint Slide show presentation program Microsoft [129]
Pritt Stick Glue stick Henkel A newspaper article by the Daily Mirror (on 27 March 2010) treated the brand as a generic name,[130] another example of use is by The Guardian on its 16 June 2007 article.[131]
Putt-Putt golf Miniature golf Putt-Putt Fun Center [132]
Q-tips Cotton swabs; cotton buds (UK); cotton tip (Australia) Unilever Often used by consumers as if it were generic in the U.S. and Canada, but still a legally recognized trademark.[133]
Realtor Real estate agent National Association of Realtors Often used by the public, the media, and even real estate agents to refer generally to any real estate agent, but the term is a legally recognized trademark of the National Association of Realtors. The terms "Realtor" and "Realtors" refer to members of this association, and not to real estate agents generally. The National Association of Realtors is engaged in ongoing efforts to prevent the mark from becoming generic. These efforts include, among other things, writing to members of the media to complain of improper usage, distribution of information and guidelines on correct usage, and the development of an educational video on the subject.[134]
Rizla Rolling paper Imperial Tobacco Often used to describe rolling papers which are used to contain rolled tobacco or cannabis.[135]
Rollerblade Inline skates Nordica Commonly used name by consumers in the U.S. and Canada, but the name is still a trademark.[136]
Romex Non-metallic sheathed cable, Thermoplastic-sheathed cable Southwire (company). www.southwire.com/romex.htm Commonly used name by consumers in the U.S., but the name is still a trademark.
Rugby Rubber cement Bostik Philippines, Inc. Being the first rubber cement brand in the Philippines, eventually used to refer to any brand of rubber contact cement.[137] See also Rugby boy, a collective term for destitute youths known for their use of rubber cement as an inhalant.
Scalextric Slot car Hornby Railways Used commonly in the United Kingdom to describe slot cars and the hobbies itself.[138]
Scotch tape Clear adhesive tape (US) 3M Appears in dictionaries as both generic and trademarked.[139] "Trademark Law" advises that proper usage is "Scotch brand cellophane tape" to combat "generic tendencies".[140]
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Bombardier Recreational Products Usage in Canada, especially Quebec and British Columbia.[141]
Sea-Doo Sit-down personal watercraft Bombardier Recreational Products Used regionally in the U.S. (where the company holds 50.3% of the market share) to refer to any type of sit-down PWC. Usage is strongest in Canada, especially in Quebec, where the manufacturer is based.[142]
Sellotape Clear adhesive tape (UK) Sellotape Company, owned by Henkel Consumer Adhesives Often used generically as a verb and noun.[143][144][145] Appears in dictionaries as both generic and trademarked.[146]
Sharpie Permanent marker Sanford L.P., owned by Newell Rubbermaid James Faulkner, Sanford's marketing manager, has said "In America the Sharpie name is used as the generic for a permanent marker".[147]
Softail Motorcycle suspension Harley-Davidson Registered trademark[148] for a line of Harley-Davidson motorcycles with a suspension that mimics the appearance of a rigid frame, and has since been used to refer to motorcycles of other makes with hidden rear suspensions as well as bicycles incorporating a rear suspension.[149]
Stetson Cowboy hat John B. Stetson Company Although John B. Stetson Company manufacturers other types of brimmed hats, the word Stetson has been long used[150] for a generic cowboy hat which features a high crown and wide brim.
Stanley knife Utility knife Stanley Works In Great Britain, the press and law enforcement officers have had referred to it as Stanley knife during incidents as the following two links indicates, regardless if said weapon is actually a utility knife. The trademark have since entered into a dictionary term.[151]
Stelvin closure Screw cap Rio Tinto Alcan Often used generically.[152]
Styrofoam extruded polystyrene foam Dow Chemical Company In the United States and Canada, "styrofoam" is often used as a generic term for disposable foam cups, plates, coolers and packing material, although these are made from a different polystyrene product than true Styrofoam Brand Foam,[153] which is made for thermal insulation and craft applications.[154]
Super Glue Cyanoacrylate adhesive Super Glue Corporation The term "superglue" is often used informally as a verb or noun, but is still a trademark (US)[155]
Super Heroes Superhero DC Comics, Marvel Comics The two-word version of the term is a joint ownership co-owned by DC Comics and Marvel Comics.[156]
Tannoy Public address system Tannoy Ltd. UK usage[157]
Targa top Semi-convertible hard roof panel Porsche Although first used in the 1960s, trademark was not claimed until the 1970s, when its popularity grew; hence, the name is treated as a generic trademark by the general public and the motoring press to describe a detachable hard roof panel.[158]
Tarmac Asphalt road surface. Tarmac Often used by consumers as if it were generic in the UK and Canada, but still a legally recognized trademark.[159]
Taser Electroshock weapon, stun gun Taser Systems
Taser International Acronym for a fictional weapon: Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle.[160] Taser is a registered tradename, prompting a backformed verb "to tase" which means "to use a Taser on", although "to taser" is also commonly used.
Tylenol Paracetamol (acetaminophen) Tylenol Used as generic, but still trademarked.
Telecopier Facsimile machine Xerox [125]
Tipp-Ex Correction Fluid Tipp-Ex GmbH & Co. KG Common throughout the UK
Tivoli Amusement park Tivoli A/S The Danish Tivoli Gardens amusement park has registered its colloquial name "Tivoli" as company name and trademark. In Danish language, the word "tivoli" has however been a generic term for "amusement park" from before the Tivoli Gardens opened in 1843[161] and is still used as such, for instance in the name of many other amusement parks all over Denmark[162] and other Scandinavian countries. This is currently the focal point of several legal disagreements,[163] with the first (Tivoli A/S vs Innocent Pictures ApS) leading to a win for Tivoli A/S in Denmark's Supreme Court in September 2010.[164]
Tupperware Plastic storage containers Earl Tupper Preparation, storage, containment, and serving products for the kitchen and home, which were first introduced to the public in 1946.[165]
Vaseline Petroleum jelly, petrolatum Unilever Often used by consumers as if it were generic in the U.S. and Canada, but still a legally recognized trademark.[133]
Velcro Hook-and-loop fastener Velcro Companies Used as generic, but still trademarked.[166] Often used as a verb.[167]
Vetsin Monosodium glutamate Tien Chun Ve-Tsin Philippine term for monosodium glutamate. It was popular back then, and despite Ajinomoto leading the monosodium glutamate market nowadays, people still refer to it as Vetsin/Bitsin.[168]
Walkman Personal stereo Sony Corporation Was often used generically for any portable stereo player (usually cassette players), and in 2002 an Austrian court ruled that it had passed into common usage,[169] but still a legally recognized trademark.[170]
WaveRunner Personal water craft Yamaha Motor Company Often used, along with Jet Ski, to refer to any type of personal watercraft.[171]
Winnebago Class A recreational vehicle (UK) recreational vehicle (US) Winnebago Industries Used in the United Kingdom to describe a coach sized American motorhome. The term is also used generically in the United States describe pretty much any motorhome, but not to the same extent.[172]
Wite-Out Correction fluid Société Bic A white liquid applied with a brush used to hide mistakes, written or typed, with ink so they can be overwritten. (US, see also Tipp-Ex in the UK)[173]
Xerox Photocopier or to make a photocopy Xerox Xerox has used "trademark awareness" advertisements to prevent the brand from becoming a generic noun or verb, including such statements as "You can't make a Xerox."[174] However, it is used in India and Russia as a generic word for 'photocopy'. In Brazilian Portuguese, xerocar, or less frequently xerocopiar, is a common verb for "to make a photocopy".
Zeppelin Rigid airship Luftschiffbau Zeppelin
Zamboni Ice resurfacer Zamboni Company Also called a Zamboni machine. Frank J. Zamboni & Co., Inc. has taken a strong stance against its trademark dilution, the Zamboni name being used as a genericized trademark for ice resurfacers. On August 15, 2000, Frank J. Zamboni & Co, Inc. was awarded a registered trademark on the design and configuration of the Zamboni Ice Resurfacer by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.[175] The company asks that Zamboni not be used as a noun or a verb. Ice does not get Zambonied—and the vehicle is a Zamboni brand ice-resurfacing machine.[176]

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Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:29 PM

44. Have you seen Twitter lately?

The gun nuts are actively comparing David Hogg to Adolf Hitler. We learned absolutely nothing from Parkland or Vegas. If we go after the precious in this election we will lose. Count on it.

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Tue Apr 24, 2018, 11:50 AM

65. 6 in 10 Americans are

in favor of banning assault weapons: https://www.democraticunderground.com/126213093

We don't need to understand how they work in order to comprehend what they enable their owners to do to innocent Americans.

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Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:37 PM

67. This sounds like a call out to the cave mushrooms.

Please stop playing with the mushrooms. Let them stay in their dark cave with plenty of manure.

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