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Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:27 PM

Could this whole Fucking mess have been planned by Russia and some repubs to

Destroy our country along with our constitution???

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Reply Could this whole Fucking mess have been planned by Russia and some repubs to (Original post)
bluestarone Apr 2018 OP
shraby Apr 2018 #1
poboy2 Apr 2018 #2
Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #3
RKP5637 Apr 2018 #4
bluestarone Apr 2018 #5
RKP5637 Apr 2018 #7
RandomAccess Apr 2018 #6
bluestarone Apr 2018 #9
Phoenix61 Apr 2018 #8
bluestarone Apr 2018 #10
WhiteTara Apr 2018 #11
bluestarone Apr 2018 #13
WhiteTara Apr 2018 #18
world wide wally Apr 2018 #12
bluestarone Apr 2018 #15
NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #14
leanforward Apr 2018 #16
bluestarone Apr 2018 #20
Sancho Apr 2018 #17
Golden Raisin Apr 2018 #19
bluestarone Apr 2018 #21

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:31 PM

1. That's my take away on it.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:33 PM

2. This is the practical effect, so we're halfway there. -nt

 

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:33 PM

3. Could, Yes

Was, time will tell.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:34 PM

4. Far more than coincidence IMO. It was planned! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:35 PM

5. Man gotta believe this too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:38 PM

7. I still think many Americans are so damn naive, and easily taken in, falling for all of

the PSYOP.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:35 PM

6. When you learn that Russia has been infiltrating some of our

 

organizations and institutions for decades now, yes -- that becomes very clear.

Guns God and Russia GOP love Putin


SHORT THREAD re: RELIGIOUS RIGHT'S longstanding courtship of Russia. Sources.




17:04 11/22/2017
The emerging alliance between Putin and Trump’s God squad; The unlikely partnership is years in the making.
https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/


Reverence for Putin on the Right Buys Trump Cover
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/us/politics/putin-trump-conservatives.html?_r=0
The veneration of Mr. Putin helps explain why revelations about Russia’s involvement in the election — including recent reports that members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle set up a meeting at which they expected a representative of the Russian government to give them incriminating information about Hillary Clinton — and Mr. Trump’s reluctance to acknowledge it, have barely penetrated the consciousness of the president’s conservative base.


Guns and religion: How American conservatives grew closer to Putin’s Russia
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-republican-right-found-allies-in-russia/2017/04/30/e2d83ff6-29d3-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html
Growing up in the 1980s, Brian Brown was taught to think of the communist Soviet Union as a dark and evil place.
But Brown, a leading opponent of same-sex marriage, said that in the past few years he has started meeting Russians at conferences on family issues and finding many kindred spirits.
Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, has visited Moscow four times in four years, including a 2013 trip during which he testified before the Duma as Russia adopted a series of anti-gay laws.
“What I realized was that there was a great change happening in the former Soviet Union,” he said. “There was a real push to re-instill Christian values in the public square.”

How Russia Became the Leader of the Global Christian Right
While the U.S. passed gay-rights laws, Moscow moved hard the other way.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/how-russia-became-a-leader-of-the-worldwide-christian-right-214755


RACHEL MADDOW: Russia makes inroads with American right via guns, religion DURATION 6:10
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/russia-makes-inroads-with-american-right-via-guns-religion-986677827557
Richard Engel, NBC News chief foreign correspondent, and NBC's Kelly Cobiella look at how members of the American political right are building an appreciation for Vladimir Putin through guns and Evangelical Christianity.

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NRA:

The NRA Placed Big Bets on the 2016 Election, and Won Almost All of Them
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/11/the-nra-placed-big-bets-on-the-2016-election-and-won-almost-all-of-them/


Ted Lieu: Story of Link Between Kremlin And NRA Could ‘Get Bigger’
“Follow the money,” Rep. Ted Lieu said of the National Rifle Association’s pro-Trump efforts.
Last Thursday, investigative reporters Peter Stone and Greg Gordon of McClatchy DC Bureau reported what could be another bombshell in the Russia probe: that the FBI is investigating whether a Kremlin-linked banker illegally channeled funds to the National Rifle Association to aid Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

On Friday, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.), who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, told me on SiriusXM Progress that the word on Capitol Hill is that the story of a Russia-NRA-Trump link is going to grow.

“FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA,” Stone and Gordon reported being told by two sources familiar with the matter.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-lieu-russia-nra_us_5a64f350e4b0dc592a09dfab


Muellers Probe Is Dangerously Close to a Republican Red Line https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/donald-trump-robert-mueller-nra
According to McClatchy D.C., the F.B.I. is investigating whether a top Russian banker with close ties to President Vladimir Putin illegally channeled money through the N.R.A. to bolster Trump’s bid for the White House. The revelation that the special prosecutor might target the gun lobby, arguably the most influential and sacrosanct faction of the Republican Party, could embolden G.O.P. lawmakers to bring a swift end to the Trump-Russia probe and hasten a Mueller ouster. (The N.R.A. did not immediately respond to the outlet’s request for comment.)

... It is unclear when Mueller’s team opened its inquiry, what stage the investigation has reached, or to what extent the F.B.I. can substantiate the money trail. But of the $55 million the N.R.A. spent on the 2016 election, a staggering $30 million was shelled out to the Trump campaign—three times the amount it spent on Mitt Romney in 2012, McClatchy reports.

... As The New York Times reported in December, Erickson sent a May 2016 e-mail to Trump campaign adviser Rick Dearborn with the subject line “Kremlin Connection.” In the e-mail, Erickson reportedly asked Dearborn, and then Senator Jeff Sessions, for advice in setting up a meeting between Trump and Putin and sought to use the annual N.R.A. convention in Kentucky that year to make “first contact.” (Erickson could not be reached by the Times for comment.) While Erickson did not explicitly name Torshin, sources familiar with the situation who spoke to the Times said that the message appeared to refer to the Russian banker.


NRA's Ties To Putin Allies Go Back Years
By Sam Thielman at Talking Points Memo
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/nras-ties-to-putin-allies-go-back-years
Here, in chronological order, is what we know on the NRA’s Russian ties:
2011: According to the Washington Post, G. Kline Preston, a lawyer in Nashville, Tenn. with a specialty in Russian affairs, introduces Torshin to David Keene, at the time the president of the NRA and a former head of the American Conservative Union. Torshin,then a senator in the Duma from Putin’s United Russia party, was friends with Mikhail Kalashnikov, the revered inventor of the AK-47. Preston, who did not return TPM’s request for comment, told the Post that “the value system of Southern Christians and the value system of Russians are very much in line.”

November 2012: At Preston’s invitation, Torshin observes the 2012 U.S. elections. Preston told the Post the two men saw violations of U.S. law in the form of Obama signs too close to a polling place. Preston had served as an international observer of the 2011 legislative elections in Russia, and reported that they were fair — a conclusion at odds with that of many international observers.

May 2013: Torshin attends the NRA convention in Houston, where conservative players Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, John Bolton, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, and Rick Perry address one of the most important blocs in the Republican base.
Summer 2013: According to Spanish newspaper El Pais, Torshin is set to attend a birthday party on the Spanish island of Mallorca for Alexander Romanov, a member of the Moscow-based Taganskaya gang. Torshin, El Pais reported, is believed to be the Taganskaya boss. Twelve Spanish police officers wait for him at the airport and the hotel where he would have stayed, ready to arrest him in connection with money allegedly laundered to buy a hotel in the Spanish vacation spot. But, the newspaper reported, a Russian prosecutor tips Torshin off at the last moment, and he never shows up.
(really long)


The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here's What You Need to Know
Did a shadowy Russian banker close to Vladimir Putin illegally give money to the National Rifle Association to support the presidential campaign of Donald Trump? That's the subject of an active FBI investigation, according to an explosive report by McClatchy.

Here's what you need to know:

Unprecedented Trump Support
The National Rifle Association spent tens of millions of dollars backing Trump's presidential bid in 2016. The NRA endorsed Trump in May 2016. And the NRA disclosed it spent at least $30 million on Trump's behalf and attacking Hillary Clinton. That level of support is unprecedented – more than twice what the NRA disclosed it spent on Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential run.

The true sum the NRA spent to install Trump in the White House may be far higher. Campaign finance disclosures do not cover spending on unregulated Internet advertising or voter mobilization; citing two sources close to the gun group, McClatchy suggests the NRA may have spent upwards of $70 million on Trump's presidential bid.

President Trump is clearly indebted: "You came through for me, and I am going to come through for you," Trump promised the NRA at its 2017 convention. "I will never, ever let you down."

Dark Money
In the age of Citizens United and unlimited campaign donations, the NRA has emerged as an important "dark money" hub in Republican politics. Under its tax code designation, the NRA is a "social welfare" organization, largely exempt from disclosing its donors. To skirt disclosure, other big-dollar political players – including a SuperPAC linked to Karl Rove and a "chamber of commerce" controlled by the Koch Brothers – have routinely steered money into the NRA, confident that the gun group's spending will advance the GOP cause.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-trump-russia-nra-connection-heres-what-you-need-to-know-w515615


20:24 1/18/2018
FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump
The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.

FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.

It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections.

.... Disclosure of the Torshin investigation signals a new dimension in the 18-month-old FBI probe of Russia’s interference. McClatchy reported a year ago that a multi-agency U.S. law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s intervention, begun even before the start of the 2016 general election campaign, initially included a focus on whether the Kremlin secretly helped fund efforts to boost Trump, but little has been said about that possibility in recent months.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html


Senate Report Outlines Playbook to Prevent Future Russian Election Meddling
Conspicuously absent from the report, however, is Republican buy-in.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/10/senate-report-outlines-playbook-to-prevent-future-russian-election-meddling-trump-elections-congress-europe-putin-senator-cardin-democrats-nato-european-union/
Btw, this is also a big, aggressive political move against the Republicans as more and more of their entanglements with Russia are being uncovered.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:40 PM

9. WOW lot's of info here Good Job!!

I feel like we were caught with eyes closed and pants down!!!! WOW just WOW!! Our only hope is 2018 BLUE WAVE!!!!!!!! Not even sure about Mueller anymore.( I mean even he can't stop there plans!)

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:38 PM

8. Not destroy, just have a constitutional

convention and reconfigure. The Koch brother's long game. Putin jumped onboard because he saw it as a way to destabilize the West. Different end goals but compatible steps for the time being.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:43 PM

10. Yep even that!

Just a TRUE TEST for our constitution!! (which i fully believe would withstand anything BUT REPUG TRAITORS)

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:49 PM

11. Certainly seems that way. They did promise to bury us from within

Kruschev saw our hubris and they dug in. So, here we are. How to root out the traitors and save the nation and maybe the whole world seems like a big task; I wonder if we are up to it. The HS students have shown they are capable and I hope we can give them the support they need; because those of us who fought to save the nation in the 70s are now old.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:03 PM

13. YEA! Might test our SUPREME COURT OF OUR LAND!!

Is it possible that EVEN THEY will fail America???? (Muellers test of pardon power?) Maybe even that was planned for, with Turtle head not allowing Obama to do his job.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:49 PM

18. He is definitely a traitor and I'm sure he had advance

knowledge of the coup.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:54 PM

12. It succeeded beyond their wildest dreams

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:24 PM

15. yes they did BUT ONLY

because of BRAIN DEAD VOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:16 PM

14. yes.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:40 PM

16. I concur with all of the above and where does the turtle fit?

I see greed. I see the thirst for power.

Then came the NRA campaign contribution increases '16 over '12. Then the back stories from the Investigative journalist.

Coupled with pRezident dRumpf's lack of concern with the Russians/Soviets.

The Russians/Soviets have wanted to do/try subversion for some time and then mr trump came along. Appealing to folks who wanted to go back to those jobs. We know for life's experience, that you can never go back.

Now the religious right is cozying up to the parusky. Why? To win at any cost.

Why was our country country created? Separation of church and state. The Constitution lets us be private and that means our personal affairs. It is not meant to force your strict/radical religious beliefs on the rest of us. In order to achieve strict/radical religious beliefs on our democracy, they want to cozy up to the soviet/russians.

Finally, what is it with turtle? Is he a closet racist or a supremacist of some kind?




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Response to leanforward (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:58 PM

20. Turtle stopped Obama's supreme court nominee

I'm sure with Russian suggestion. Plans were in place!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:41 PM

17. Absolutely...

in fact, likely.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:53 PM

19. The Russians have finally won the Cold War.

Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etal. are all laughing from that great dacha in the sky. Manipulated our election, installed a puppet who wreaks 24/7 chaos, and our rule of law, democracy and Constitution are undermined and in serious peril. All without firing a bullet or dropping a bomb. I have grave doubts about the anticipated "blue wave" of 2018/2020 if they f*ck with our electoral integrity again. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about that. And they haven't even begun to play with our electric grid, communication, transportation and other essential infrastructure mechanics. Read Ted Koppel's "Lights Out" on that subject. Scary as hell.

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Response to Golden Raisin (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 10:00 PM

21. Yep Can't 100% depend on our election process anymore that's for sure

It is scary as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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