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Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:22 PM

The sad case of Rudy Giuliani . . .

, , , is that if he had exited public life when he was truly at the top of his game -- that is, when he was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York -- he would have secured his place in history as a brilliant federal prosecutor who had taken down some of the most powerful figures in organized crime. As it now stands, he will be remembered as a political thug, tabloid personality and presidential also-ran, who became ever more a caricature of himself as he grew older.

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Reply The sad case of Rudy Giuliani . . . (Original post)
markpkessinger Apr 2018 OP
LisaM Apr 2018 #1
Ohiogal Apr 2018 #2
Va Lefty Apr 2018 #3
markpkessinger Apr 2018 #4
tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #22
markpkessinger Apr 2018 #5
BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #11
markpkessinger Apr 2018 #16
Jim__ Apr 2018 #12
smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #6
markpkessinger Apr 2018 #7
yardwork Apr 2018 #8
IthinkThereforeIAM Apr 2018 #18
Motley13 Apr 2018 #9
Hortensis Apr 2018 #10
Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #14
markpkessinger Apr 2018 #17
Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #19
Hortensis Apr 2018 #23
NightWatcher Apr 2018 #13
pecosbob Apr 2018 #15
ToxMarz Apr 2018 #20
Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #21

Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:25 PM

1. His -what, third? - wife just dumped him, too.

Yes, history will not treat him kindly.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:29 PM

2. Trump's third wife will probably dump him, too.

Ghouliani and Trump are two peas in a pod.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:39 PM

3. I remember when he ran for President. 9/11, 9/11, 9/11

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:45 PM

4. That was disgusting . . .

. . . and the media appellation given to him of "America's Mayor" really galled me as someone who has lived in NYC for nearly 35 years. The reality of his years as mayor was that it was a time of outrageous police brutality, when racial strife was at an all-time high in this town.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:05 AM

22. This is the Giuliani I remember

He takes credit for cleaning up NY - but there was a lot of police harassment of POC

I think a lot of the reduction of crime in NY had a lot to do with the Clinton Era at the time - better economy = less crime

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:48 PM

5. And had it not been for 9-11 . . .

. . . the thing people would remember about his mayoralty is that he left office sleeping on the couch of friends of his, a gay couple, who had taken pity on him after he was booted (rightly) from Gracie Mansion by Donna Hanover!

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:14 PM

11. New Yorkers hated him and his heavy handed methods.

He was even mentioned negatively on an episode of Sex and the City.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:48 PM

16. As a New Yorker myself, let me just say . . .

. . . that had it not been for 9/11, the most memorable thing about Giuliani's mayoralty would have been that he left office sleeping on the couch of some friends, a gay couple who took pity on him after Donna Hanover (rightly) kicked his ass out of Gracie Mansion!

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:17 PM

12. As Joe Biden said, "... a noun and a verb and 9/11"

From Politico:

Giuliani is "probably the most underqualified man since George Bush to seek the presidency," he says. Rudy Giuliani - there's only three things he [needs] to make ... a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:03 PM

6. I honestly don't know what he is thinking by hitching his wagon to Trump.

Most people want to get AWAY from him. He is career poison. What on earth is he thinking? The only thing I can think of is that he is trying to line himself up for cushy position with a Russian organization down the road.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:07 PM

7. He's a pathetic old man desperately seeking to be relevant once again n/t

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:18 PM

8. I think he's deeply involved with the Russians already.

He may feel that his only chance of avoiding eventual prosecution is to take on the case himself and fight.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:53 PM

18. Or at least to see which one of his moles in the NYC FBI office...


...is getting close to or has sung/been busted.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:42 PM

10. Knowing more about Giuliani now, we would be foolish to

assume that he was the man he was believed to be all those years.

Reputations of public figures are always constructs created by them, their publicists, their enemies, the media, and odd events, all occurring within and acted upon by an uncontrollable zeitgeist, and they only occasionally reflect private realities accurately. Some people are nevertheless powerful enough to be able to create the reputations they want the public to believe.

And knowing what a frighteningly villainous scumbag Giuliani is now, it seems extremely likely he was one of those. There is still a chance Giuliani may be prosecuted for his part in the plot to kidnap someone for money and deliver him to the hell on earth Erdogan has waiting for him.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:20 PM

14. My republican brother believes to this day

that Rudy ran all of the homeless people out of NYC.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:50 PM

17. I live here. Not.Even.Close. n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:57 PM

19. Yes, I did a little research myself

and current estimates are 63,000 homeless in NYC. Actually one of the highest per capita homeless rates in the country.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 21, 2018, 01:23 AM

23. Until the courts put a...trickle to it, municipalities

would put their problems on buses and send them west. Poor San Bernardino in California was the first big California city arrived at after long, tiring hours crossing the plains and deserts on the bus, so an outsize number would get off there. But wherever they got off, Californians had the job of taking care of those their own communities wouldn't.

Of course, with the changing nature of work and attitude to paying a living wage, as well as elimination of much of our safety net, for some time a larger percentage of homeless are able bodied and minded people. Regardless of how produced, no matter how much Giuliani oppressed during his tenure, there're always new homeless.

Btw, that 63,000 would be out of a population of what, well over 8 million? Just checked, and with a city population of 8.5 million, it'd be something like 0.074% homeless rate. Not bad if i was using an apples-to-apples figure, but it sounds really low. In any case, there're certainly a lot of people to share the job of rescuing those homeless who'll agree to it.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:22 PM

15. Now I just want to see him in jail...even more than Cheeto

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 08:14 PM

20. I will always remember him like this

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 08:17 PM

21. Yes...it's the prezident of the United States and his lawyer.

 

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