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Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:08 AM

Legal Pot Sales Kills Alcohol Profits

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The Booze Lobby Greed-Gluttons are protecting there bottom $$ line. This is why marijuana is illegal. Employers don't booze test. They drug test all employees which, in my humble lay opinion is unconstitutional. Testing all people because of a potential behavior is unconstitutional. Also, the private prisons profit are easily filled with illegal pot user.

So many lives could be saved, so much pain reduced, and there are so many more humane treatments of so many disorders helped by forms of marijuana that it is immoral to keep this abundant, medicinal, stress relieving plant illegal.


Study: Alcohol Sales Fall Following Cannabis Legalization

Authors evaluated the relationship between medical marijuana laws and retail alcohol sales for more than 2,000 US counties for the years 2006 to 2015. Alcohol sales trends in medical cannabis states were compared to sales trends in states where cannabis remained illegal. Researchers determined that counties located in medical cannabis states, on average, experienced a reduction in monthly alcohol sales of 15 percent.


Researchers concluded: “We find that marijuana and alcohol are strong substitutes. … States legalizing medical marijuana use experience significant decreases in the aggregate sale of alcohol, beer and wine. Moreover, the effects are not short-lived, with significant reductions observed up to 24 months after the passage of the law.”


Pot is safer than Adderral, alcohol, opiods, Xanax, to name a few drugs pot can replace.

But politicians need those booze donations.

Greed sucks.

No surprise

Recreational weed is killing alcohol sales in legal states

America is getting a lot less alcoholic thanks to legal weed

When the results are split by alcohol type, it appears that wine takes the biggest hit with an average of 16.2 percent decrease in sales. By contrast, beer drinkers bought 13.8 percent less than they did before marijuana was legalized. When counties with medical marijuana were compared to bordering prohibition counties, they experienced 20 percent lower rates of alcohol purchases.

Although this study has yet to be published, it’s far from the first to show that alcohol and cannabis are not complimentary.

Contrary to the common belief that youth consumption would increase, the 2017 National Survey on Drug Use found that cannabis use among youth has hit a 15-year low while also reducing the number of alcohol purchases. In 2016, a look at post-legalization beer sales in Oregon, Washington, and Colorado found that sales had significantly “underperformed” after those states chose to legalize recreational marijuana.

https://herb.co/marijuana/news/legal-marijuana-alcohol-sales


I have personally seen so many lives destroyed by booze, so many die in their 50s from booze related disease, innocent people I know killed by drunken drivers, and drunken suicides, and I don't live that large a life! I haven't lost one person because of even heavy marijuana use.

On the contrary, my small sphere includes people whose anxiety has been quelled, ADD calmed, pain reduced, and seizures conquered with THC.

Perhaps a mellower population could reduce some of our social tensions as well.

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Reply Legal Pot Sales Kills Alcohol Profits (Original post)
OhNo-Really Apr 2018 OP
Midnight Writer Apr 2018 #1
OhNo-Really Apr 2018 #2
C Moon Apr 2018 #3
OhNo-Really Apr 2018 #4
msongs Apr 2018 #5
thbobby Apr 2018 #6
NBachers Apr 2018 #7
thbobby Apr 2018 #8
progressoid Apr 2018 #9
OhNo-Really Apr 2018 #16
Abu Pepe Apr 2018 #33
get the red out Apr 2018 #10
mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #11
Mariana Apr 2018 #23
blugbox Apr 2018 #25
raven mad Apr 2018 #12
mercuryblues Apr 2018 #13
OhNo-Really Apr 2018 #18
mercuryblues Apr 2018 #22
OhNo-Really Apr 2018 #34
oberliner Apr 2018 #14
dpibel Apr 2018 #19
oberliner Apr 2018 #20
Mariana Apr 2018 #24
blugbox Apr 2018 #27
Post removed Apr 2018 #15
central scrutinizer Apr 2018 #17
C Moon Apr 2018 #21
NightWatcher Apr 2018 #26
Eyeball_Kid Apr 2018 #30
Faux pas Apr 2018 #28
procon Apr 2018 #29
Eyeball_Kid Apr 2018 #31
procon Apr 2018 #32
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2018 #40
Cha Apr 2018 #35
GoldenPot Apr 2018 #36
FSogol Apr 2018 #39
sarcasmo Apr 2018 #37
TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #38

Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:13 AM

1. This study is MEDICAL cannabis. I wonder about recreational States.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:23 AM

2. Good news on this front as well. I added research for you

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:42 AM

3. Healthier livers for future generations.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:51 AM

4. Yes! Also alcohol is very risky for our growing diabetus population.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:00 AM

5. it will also kill massive police/LEO/private prison profits nt

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:18 AM

6. High Times and Rolling Stone

reported same idea of booze industry being responsible for pot being illegal in the 1970's. Another poster talked about diabetic problems caused by alcohol. Main reason I quit smoking pot is because I am diabetic. Munchies might be a problem. But still, if either pot or alcohol has to be illegal, it should be alcohol. Drinking promotes reckless behavior, while with me pot promoted watching the three stooges (I actually still love them).

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Response to thbobby (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 03:39 AM

7. I was feeling like a bit of an anachronism today because I'm still a Stooge fan. Once a Stooge,

always a Stooge.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:13 AM

8. I like Curly best

seems to always be relevant with stooge junkies. Shemp was good too. Liked early stooges the best.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:13 AM

16. Weepy Booze hound John Boehner is bucking booze to lobby for pot

Maybe he switched vices.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:37 PM

33. Reckon Boner smokes weed? nt

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:31 AM

10. Agree

Alcohol is really hard on the body when over-used, and we all know the results of the abuse of opioids and other prescription drugs. Alcohol abuse also contributes to domestic violence.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:47 AM

11. I'm a HUGE legalization fan but lets not get carried away about it's replacement value ...

Opioids ... okay, yes ... but not for truly severe pain (trust me, it doesn't touch it, not like opioids), and for someone already dependent on heavy opioids it's a long road to get off of them, with or w/o pot. And for many, the only road 'off' ... is total sobriety.

Alcohol ... for sure. A FAR safer substitute for a drug w/zero medicinal value. But it's not 1:1 replacement. The effects are different. Again, someone who's a heavy drinker is gonna have a hard time putting down the bottle and switching to pot ... people who AVOID becoming heavy drinkers in the first place cause they use pot instead ... that's a different story, and IMHO it should be encouraged over booze, if someone needs a recreational drug. FAR FAR safer in every way. However, again, the only 'way off' the booze, for many ... total sobriety.

Adderall? That's amphetamine-based ADHD medicine. You'll have a real hard time convincing me weed effectively treats attention deficit disorder ... lol ... just, no.

Xanax? Medication for panic attacks? Ummmmm ... given that aside from munchies and attention-deficit problems, probably the MOST common side-effect of the ganja ... is panic. Give me a break on this one. Not true.

THC is great, miraculous even ... I'm a fan of legalizing, and agree with MOST of what you just said ... but it's NOT a legit substitute for EVERYthing you named. Sorry. Alcohol it's probably best the substitute for, hence the results of the studies ... people don't have endless dough, so have to choose between the two for their recreational experience, and with legal pot, it makes a LOT more sense to invest in that instead of booze on so many levels. And I applaud those making that choice.
This is the DU member formerly known as mr_lebowski.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:21 AM

23. I don't think anyone, anywhere, has ever implied

that marijuana can replace any of those drugs completely. However, if SOME drinkers and SOME opiate users and SOME anxiety patients etc. can use a less dangerous drug even if only SOME of the time, that is undeniably a very good thing.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:34 AM

25. Sorry, had to speak up...

I have a medical cannabis card prescribed for anxiety... which replaced my prescription to:

XANAX

The stuff worked, but literally made me numb to the world. I wouldn't have cared if my friend died right next to me. I didn't like that feeling... or "not feeling".

I've never had a single thought of panic enter my mind while high on cannabis. I use it to relieve anxiety for cryin' out loud.

Everyone is different. Mariana is correct. It isn't THE solution for all problems, but you'd be surprised.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:21 AM

12. We're legal here. Since 2014. Some nice shops have opened and are thriving. ***PICTURES***

Hasn't cut into the liquor trade, though.








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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:33 AM

13. seriously

do you really need o use a slur used on women to get your point across? I thought DU was past this. Hey, I know. I can't think of a way to insult the liquor lobby, so I will use a term that is aimed toward degrading women.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:20 AM

18. My old mind didn't go there. I changed the descriptive. Thank you

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:07 AM

22. Thank you

I wrote the post before my 1st sip of coffee, as you can tell by my poor grammar.



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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:44 PM

34. I am in constant pre-coffee mode as of late.

😂

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:33 AM

14. Pot is safer than Xanax?

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:41 AM

19. How many pot overdose deaths?

Source: [link:http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-drug-overdoses-health-0219-20160219-story.html|Chicago Tribune
]
While deaths from overdoses of heroin and narcotic painkillers like Oxycontin have surged in recent years, a new report finds the same thing is happening with widely used sedatives such as Xanax, Valium and Ativan.

In 2013, overdoses from these drugs, called benzodiazepines, accounted for 31 percent of the nearly 23,000 deaths from prescription drug overdoses in the United States, researchers said.

***

In case the subject line question is outside the realm of your knowledge, the answer is zero.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:49 AM

20. Thanks for sharing that

 

Very informative article.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:29 AM

24. Much safer.

In addition to the risk of overdose, Xanax is physically addictive and withdrawal can be dangerous.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:40 AM

27. HELL YES

Much much safer, as I'm sure you are fully informed by now haha

Sorry, just throwing in another voice.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:42 AM

17. In Oregon, pot is the new zucchini

Everybody grew so much that you can't give it away. Put some on the porch, ring the doorbell and run away.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/04/18/oregon-grew-more-cannabis-than-customers-can-smoke-now-shops-and-farmers-are-left-with-mountains-of-unwanted-bud/

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:51 AM

21. The new zucchini! :D

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:15 PM

30. Ain't that the truth. Growing four plants a year can easily yield...

40-50 ounces of flower tops, more if you have growing skills. Try smoking that much in a year, and you won't have any time to eat, bathe, or scratch your ass. That's a LOT of weed. You can't legally sell it, so giving it away is the best option. But then you have to compete with the recreational pot stores that sometimes lower their cost of potent weed to 3 bucks a gram, or about $85 an ounce. Your pot-starved in-laws might not want to spend the gas to drive to your free stash when they can walk to the pot store and pick from dozens of strains.

If you want to know why pot usage causes a decrease in alcohol sales, you have to know what the average pot smoker knows: that getting stoned on pot is far less debilitating than drinking 3 cans of beer, and doesn't bring on a headache or a bloated stomach. Those discomforts might not hit the pre-40 crowd so much, but for those in middle and senior age, the body recovers much more slowly after downing alcohol from the night before. With pot, it's "up-and-at-'em."

So, the reason that Beauregard Sessions is so hell-bent on destroying the pot industry must be all about the money, because it surely has nothing to do with the effects of the drugs themselves. And it's also the reason that his efforts will fail. States are discovering what a financial boon the pot industry is. They are also finding out about the public safety aspects of pot vs. alcohol consumption. The pot industry is now a multi-billion dollar industry that has the momentum and the emerging stability to be sustainable and growing far into the future. Sessions doesn't have a prayer.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:43 AM

28. Kicketty Kickin'

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:05 PM

29. Even if booze sales take a hit, purchases of snacks and various fast foods

will add a huge financial boost to a much wider range of businesses. Seriously, when you get the munchies it's not good enough to just go out and buy a little package of Doritos.

Oh no, you gotta get the industrial sized bag, or maybe one of each flavor, plus two or three different dips, a jug of salsa, a case of drinks, and a pie with a gallon of ice cream, and a can of whipped cream just because it's funny. Then you might as well swing through the Burger Barn and take home a two-handed double cheeseburger with bacon and guac, a giant order of curly chili-cheese fries, a supersize chocolate malt, and a jumbo diet pepsi to cut calories.

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Response to procon (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:26 PM

31. It's easily forgotten how much food is consumed with alcohol. Yet the "munchies"

are a big conversation addendum with pot.

Your comments give me a vision that pot smokers invariably turn into 500 pound vacuum cleaners of everything a convenience store can hold. But it's a vision that isn't real. The US' problems with obesity and associated health issues are far larger than anything pot users can procure.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:33 PM

32. I dunno if your assertion is accurate, but from personal experience

with too many relatives and friends, I doubt it. Alcoholics have little appetite and they lose weight because they do not eat very well and developed lots of malnutrition problems. My BIL, a once big and burley man of 6'3 and at least 230 lbs, weighed 135 lbs and looked like a prisoner from a Russian gulag at the time his alcoholism killed him. It's a well known fact that bars offer patrons lots of salty snacks and a menu designed to trick social drinkers into buying more alcohol. Even so, social drinkers aren't very likely to be worried about their waistlines during Happy Hour.

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Response to procon (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 05:35 AM

40. My personal experience is much the same

I've been in AA since 2008 and I still regularly attend the local beginners' group, represent them at the district, and the people who first come in rarely have weight issues. It's only when they give up alcohol that they initially crave sweets. And I was no exception. When I was active, I rarely ate. I still cooked, but I drank at the same time and by the time I was done cooking, I had no interest in eating. My doctor threatened to put me in the hospital because I weighed so little.

And just tonight we had a "celebration," two of our members made it to one year. And even after 12 months, both of them are still incredibly thin. I'll have 9 years this month and I still have issues with eating. I also know women who gave up alcohol years ago who avoid the kitchen because they drank when they cooked so they avoid it.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:47 PM

35. Oh good gods! there's always

going to be more than enough booze sold.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:08 PM

36. That's great

I am sure that it is an excellent thing that alcohol becomes less popular among people. Compared to marijuana it has more harm to people's health and should be decreased in usage. Such strains as Tangie, for example, are way better than beer or vodka and not only for having fun.

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Response to GoldenPot (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:46 PM

39. Sorry, but the premise of the thread is silly. Alcohol is experiencing a rebirth in this country.

10 years ago, Virginia had zero breweries. Now it has over 280. It has over 60 beer festivals this year. That doesn't even count the growing wineries, cideries, and craft distilling is still in its infancy.

States where pot is legal, Oregon, Washington, Colorado have even more breweries. A new brewery opens every week in the US.

Glad pot is legal and happy users can get it, but to think other recreation drugs are going away is total nonsense.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:36 PM

37. Weed, saving livers one high at a time.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:40 PM

38. Yeah, but Funyuns and Cheetos sales are up 7,000%

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