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Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:11 AM

Cohen really isn't a lawyer .... today is gonna be real bad for him

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On Friday, the 13th of April 2018, Mr Cohenís attorney went to court to argue for a ďtemporary restraining orderĒ (TRO) to keep the Feds from reviewing the material collected during the FBI raid on the basis that much of what the FBI has, deals with the issue of attorney-client privilege.

The Southern District Court of New York prosecutors were ready with their argument that Michael Cohen hasnít been practicing law in ages but he has been acting more like a consigliere.

Whereupon, U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood asked Mr. Cohenís attorney to name one of his clients which he couldnít do. Then Judge Wood ordered that the attorney return with his client, Michael Cohen in tow, ready to answer some questions on the 16th of April 2018.


https://grondamorin.com/2018/04/16/guess-whos-storming-into-to-court-to-watch-michael-cohen-on-16th-of-april/

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210500106

The feds attached the proper statute to each search warrant.

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Reply Cohen really isn't a lawyer .... today is gonna be real bad for him (Original post)
Botany Apr 2018 OP
lunasun Apr 2018 #1
Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #2
procon Apr 2018 #4
Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #7
procon Apr 2018 #11
safeinOhio Apr 2018 #12
marylandblue Apr 2018 #33
procon Apr 2018 #35
getagrip_already Apr 2018 #17
unblock Apr 2018 #22
Baitball Blogger Apr 2018 #3
YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #13
exboyfil Apr 2018 #14
whopis01 Apr 2018 #36
femmocrat Apr 2018 #5
Botany Apr 2018 #8
whathehell Apr 2018 #29
YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #6
IronLionZion Apr 2018 #9
dembotoz Apr 2018 #10
RandomAccess Apr 2018 #15
neohippie Apr 2018 #18
FakeNoose Apr 2018 #23
neohippie Apr 2018 #28
Whiskeytide Apr 2018 #25
neohippie Apr 2018 #16
groundloop Apr 2018 #19
Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #24
Louis1895 Apr 2018 #20
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #27
Louis1895 Apr 2018 #34
Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2018 #21
Amimnoch Apr 2018 #26
Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #30
smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #31
Xipe Totec Apr 2018 #32

Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:13 AM

1. Fixer not a lawyer. Let see him fix his way out of this now

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:15 AM

2. He has his law license...right?

 

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:24 AM

4. That's what I'm wondering too.

He's been involved with all of Trump's shady activities, so maybe he crossed one too many lines and was disbarred. Who'd would know? Cohen could go on working as Trump's underhanded fixer and still provide him with erstwhile legal advice, just bring in a lawyer when needed.

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Response to procon (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:28 AM

7. I mean anyone can POSE as a lawyer or anything for that matter. They said that RUMP actually

 

has a full legal team to do the paperwork I guess and Cohen's role is much more nefarious.

Also I heard that Cohen was just appointed RUMP's lawyer on Inauguration day....how would anything before that be protected?

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:39 AM

11. Cohen had two separate jobs, first as the personal lawyer of Trump

the private business man, then as the president's personal lawyer. In both jobs there would likely be some amount of protected documents.

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:46 AM

12. He may become a world famous

"jail house" lawyer.

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Response to procon (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:36 PM

33. You can look up bar licenses online

I looked him up, he has a clean license

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 02:11 PM

35. Thanks! It never occured to me that the public could access that info. nt

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:21 PM

17. and did he pass the bar in ny and dc?

Can a lawyer represent a client in a state where he doesn't have bar credentials?

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Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:58 PM

22. if he doesn't, then there's *really* no privilege between him and donnie.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:24 AM

3. He is a lawyer. He's a corrupt lawyer.

Common among those who serve the political world.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:49 AM

13. The point is that hes not really a practicing attorney

Cohenís lawyer couldnít name a single client that Cohen is representing when questioned by the judge Friday

Having no clients blows a big hole in the suppress evidence because of attorney client privilege argument

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 11:02 AM

14. A "criminal" lawyer, not a criminal "lawyer"

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 05:21 PM

36. That is exactly the scene that was going through my mind. n/t

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:25 AM

5. Didn't he represent that RNC deputy finance chair?

Broidy---- the one who paid off the former Playboy model.

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:29 AM

8. I might be wrong but i think Cohen "fixed things" for Broidy just like he "fixed things for Trump

More than "represent them" in a legal way.

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:18 PM

29. As of this morning, he still is..

believe it or not.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:25 AM

6. Fake lawyer for a fake president

Makes sense to me

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:32 AM

9. He isn't really a Republican either, he claims to be a lifelong Dem

everything about these people is completely fake and shady

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:38 AM

10. trump co always had a shit load of lawyers...i always thought of cohen as more admin than front line

guess he will get a chance to earn his money

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 11:07 AM

15. I guess I'm confused

I can understand that if he's not doing a lot of lawyering things -- representing clients in court, filing court papers, taking depositions, that kind of thing.

But why would you have to have more than 1 client to be a lawyer? It seems to me if someone (e.g., Trump) says you're my lawyer, and there has ever been any lawyering going on there, then he IS a lawyer. Now, when the conversations don't involve lawyering, then that shouldn't be protected. But to say the guy isn't even a lawyer just doesn't add up to me.

Besides, he's been involved in many of Trump's business deals and negotiations and I don't understand why that's not considered a lawyer's tasks. All those agreements and legal documents in real estate deals!

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:22 PM

18. Maybe this will help

Apparently Cohen went to one of the lowest ranked accredited law schools in the country and still managed to have a relatively low gpa like 2.0 The law school WMU-Cooley law school is equivalent to test prep classes just to coach students to be able to pass their bar exam.

Many lawyers refer to it as a sort of law camp.

https://lawschooli.com/should-i-attend-cooley-law-school/


https://www.lawcrossing.com/article/900042647/Thomas-Cooley-Law-School-Exposed-and-Why-Much-of-the-Legal-Profession-is-a-Scam/



So that is part of the reason people discredit his legal background.


Also he apparently couldn't come up with a list of clients when asked, that he felt were going to potentially be affected by this attorney client privilege outside of Trump, for whom the fraud exemption was applied in this process

So it's all pretty abnormal and that is why people are suggesting that he hasn't done a lot of "lawyering things"

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Response to neohippie (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:07 PM

23. With grades that low, maybe he never passed the bar exam

...for that matter maybe he never took the bar exam. It would mean he has no license, am I right?
Having a law degree doesn't mean you can automatically practice law.



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:16 PM

28. I'm sure he must have passed bar exam

But it does show how out of his league he is dealing with some of the best legal minds in the country


http://www.newsweek.com/cohen-joke-gpa-lawyer-881234


Apparently, Cohen used to joke about his low grades

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:13 PM

25. He is a lawyer. The question here ...

... appears to be whether there is any reason to be concerned over whether or not privileged material about clients could be caught up in the material seized.

If they are looking at communications between Cohen and a client other than Trump, thatís potentially a problem. But if Cohen did not have any clients other than Trump, then thatís not much of a problem. That means the only material theyíre looking at would be Trump material. That could still be privileged material and communications - even if Trump is the ONLY client. But not everything you tell your lawyer is privileged, and there are some exceptions even if it is privileged.

The prosecutors look to be defining and specifying the actual issues before the court - not trying to claim Cohen has lost his attorney status.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

16. Who are Cohen's associates here

This Twitter thread rollup shows Cohen hanging out with only the best people


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984902943064420352.html



Who's who here, Russian mobsters, bankers, Trump partners, and so on

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:22 PM

19. I'd bet the feds has been through those documents very thoroughly already

They had a search warrant and retrieved what they needed. So long as everything they took was within the constraints of that search warrant there was nothing legally preventing them from going through everything they retrieved the instant they had it.

IMO this delaying tactic is a bit late to do any good. Cohen and Spanky can ASK for a restraining order, but it seems that until it's granted there's nothing keeping the feds from doing whatever they need with any evidence they legally collected (someone correct me if that's wrong).


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Response to groundloop (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:13 PM

24. Hopefully they didnt take the weekend off. Lol.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:42 PM

20. Registered in New York

http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney/AttorneyDetails?attorneyId=aXUEphcJoRoFPkdf4NQknw%3D%3D

as of 04/16/2018


Registration Number: 2484806

MICHAEL DEAN COHEN
MICHAEL D. COHEN & ASSOCIATES, PC
30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA 23RD FL
NEW YORK, NY 10112-0015
United States
(New York County)
(212) 872-9849

E-mail Address:
Date Admitted in NY: 06/24/1992
Appellate Division
Department of Admission: 2
Law School: THOMAS M COOLEY
Registration Status: Currently registered
Next Registration: Aug 2018

Disciplinary History: No record of public discipline

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Response to Louis1895 (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:16 PM

27. He can have a law license and still not be a lawyer

in terms of what he actually does for a living.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:40 PM

34. True...

I was responding to post #2 and should have replied to him/her instead of the OP.

Strange political times we live in...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:51 PM

21. Latest...he says he has three clients and wants independent

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:14 PM

26. fitting. Lawyer who isn't a lawyer working for a president that isn't a president. nt.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:18 PM

30. Good one! The law is such a VAST area of expertise, even very well educated, smart

lawyers can know little about different areas of law as most usually specialize.

Or what they know is dependent on how many clerks they have and how good they are. Add to this that Cohen appears to be someone who did a lot of threatening and very little litigation (if that is the case) so he may be especially unqualified to handle this situation.

I am not a lawyer, but this is my understanding.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:21 PM

31. He's is the original Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:28 PM

32. He's more a jack of all asses. nt

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