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Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:12 PM

NYT video "I hacked an election. So can the Russians." Voting machine hack by computer science prof.

Finally MSM is paying attention. Video at link - couldn't get it to post - if someone else can, please post.

https://www.facebook.com/nytopinion/videos/2135954899752788/

The New York Times Opinion Section on Thursday

A University of Michigan computer science professor shows just how easy it is to hack an election with voting machines when its archrival, The Ohio State University, wins a mock election.

Edited to add this, thanks to Elleng:

Tune In, Turn Out
I Hacked an Election. So Can the Russians.

It’s time America’s leaders got serious about voting security.
Published OnApril 5, 2018
Andrea Havis

By J. Alex Halderman
April 5, 2018

This video is part of a series on voting in America, which will run until Election Day in November. For more, see:

Part 1: On the importance of voting.
Part 2: On a court case over a Kansas voter registration law.
Part 3: On discriminatory voting laws.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/opinion/election-voting-machine-hacking-russians.html

Edited to add: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210462136
Hillary 2004: "Without paper, voting machines could be programmed to help GOP steal elections"

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Reply NYT video "I hacked an election. So can the Russians." Voting machine hack by computer science prof. (Original post)
Amaryllis Apr 2018 OP
malaise Apr 2018 #1
Amaryllis Apr 2018 #2
malaise Apr 2018 #3
Amaryllis Apr 2018 #5
MadLinguist Apr 2018 #11
Amaryllis Apr 2018 #15
MadLinguist Apr 2018 #16
Throck Apr 2018 #4
Amaryllis Apr 2018 #6
elleng Apr 2018 #7
Amaryllis Apr 2018 #8
Sancho Apr 2018 #9
YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #10
dflprincess Apr 2018 #14
YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #18
TheDemsshouldhireme Apr 2018 #12
ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #13
YOHABLO Apr 2018 #17
triron Apr 2018 #19
diva77 Apr 2018 #20
TheFrenchRazor Apr 2018 #21
UCmeNdc Apr 2018 #22
triron Apr 2018 #24
triron Apr 2018 #23

Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:14 PM

1. Get thee to the greatest page

NOW

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:16 PM

2. Go, sister!

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:17 PM

3. This is very important

They've been stealing votes and elections since 2000

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:20 PM

5. THat is why I am so excited that NYT is covering this. Were you around on DU after they stole

2004 and we were so frustrated because Keith O was the ONLY MSM who had a clue?

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 09:52 PM

11. yes! That period is what brought me to DU.

I remember the days of TruthIsAll, and William River Pitt and many others, posting multiple times a day showing statistical whoppers, crazy political shenanigans in Ohio, the Mitofsky exit polling suddenly posting exact matching to the returns, all that and only Keithey Keith on the beat. Yeah, John Conyers's "what went wrong in Ohio" report was like a LeCarre novel to us back then. The lack of media coverage of the vote tallying tampering felt like the suffocation of a battered witness. I truly hope this NY Times report resounds loud, I do. But Lordy, I can not say I'll hold my breath, you know?

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Response to MadLinguist (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 10:44 PM

15. And remember Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones objected to the counting of Ohio's electoral

electoral votes? Twelve other senators did too; Wyden was one who spoke out, and a whole bunch of reps from the Black Causus, but it was just a formality really to go on record with no legal weight.

Congress Ratifies Bush Victory After Challenge

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and JAMES DAOJAN. 7, 2005

WASHINGTON, Jan. 6 - Congress officially ratified President Bush's election victory on Thursday, but not before Democrats lodged a formal challenge to the electoral votes from Ohio, forcing an extraordinary two-hour debate that began the 109th Congress on a sharp note of partisan acrimony.

It was only the second such challenge to a presidential race since 1877. Even the bitter contest in 2000 between President Bush and Al Gore did not produce a formal challenge to the results from Florida, the site of a 36-day standoff. Although House members objected, no senator joined in, as is required under federal law.

But on Thursday, a single senator -- Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat who was sworn in Tuesday for a third term -- joined Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Democrat of Ohio, in objecting to Ohio's 20 electoral votes for Mr. Bush, citing voting irregularities in the state.

The move turned what would have otherwise been a polite ceremony into a political and historical drama. Mrs. Boxer said she had acted "to cast the light of truth on a flawed system which must be fixed now."

Instead of holding a courteous joint session to certify the election, lawmakers were forced to retreat to their separate chambers for two hours of debate and a vote on the challenge. Democrats, nearly all of whom conceded that Mr. Bush was the rightful winner, said the move cast a needed spotlight on voting rights. Republicans called it waste of time.

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In the end, the House voted 267 to 31 against the challenge. In the Senate, where the vote was 74 to 1, Mrs. Boxer stood alone.

"I think this is the first time in my life I ever voted alone in the United States Senate, and I have to tell you, I think it was the right thing to do," Mrs. Boxer said afterward, adding that she believed she forced the Republican leadership to listen to concerns about voting rights.

The election in Ohio, one of the most fiercely contested states, has been seized on by the Green Party, liberal Democrats and advocates of changing the voting system because of its long lines, lack of uniform policies on provisional ballots and the allocation of voting machines.

In many ways, the debate came about because of the relentless efforts of a small group of third-party activists, liberal lawyers, Internet muckrakers and civil rights groups, who have been arguing since Election Day that the Ohio vote was rigged for Mr. Bush.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/politics/congress-ratifies-bush-victory-after-challenge.html

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 11:36 PM

16. Indeed I do remember Barbara Boxer standing with congressional challengers

of the vote ratification! It was heroic, bracing stuff. What I still haven't understood all these years later is why nothing ever came of those revelations. I mean nobody forced Diebold out of business, and more elections came and went without much meaningful public discussion, much less reform. Is it just too horrifying to acknowledge that there's a problem, so better to ignore it and hope for the best? Seriously, I cannot understand what consequences of talking federal election reform could be worse than letting hack after hack happen.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:19 PM

4. What makes him so sure the Russians hacked the election?

They were the fall guy for the GOP.

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Response to Throck (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:20 PM

6. He didnt say they DID. He said they COULD.

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:23 PM

8. Thanks, Ellen. I didn't have that link, just the FB one.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:41 PM

9. Absolutely happens here in FL...

one of the most important issues today. tRump will win again if votes are not verifiable.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 09:44 PM

10. We need to vote on paper ballots

Any machine should read a bubble sheet and the election shouldn’t be official until the bubble sheet votes are counted and tabulated

Until a jurisdiction has a machine that has a paper trail, they should use paper, period

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 10:42 PM

14. Paper ballots and hand counts

Paper gives a back up but the machines and counting programs can still be messed with.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:11 AM

18. Use machine counting for preliminary results

But nothing is official until the paper ballots are counted by hand.

If the vote flipping is going to be caught, the rooskies and their repugnant goon allies may not bother.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 10:21 PM

12. This amazes me

The world has changed a lot since 2004. Everybody has had a hacked charge on their debit or credit card. Damn near every company or government agency has had their data breached. Please tell me the state and federal experts that examine all the equipment we vote on. The idea that it hasn't happened, is laughable. It would be so hard at my precinct with a bunch of tablets manned by senior citizen volunteers.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 10:39 PM

13. Well, that last few seconds convinced me

tRump said we need paper ballots, so we must use paper ballots. Period.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 11:49 PM

17. "The Myth of the Hacker-Proof Voting Machine" By KIM ZETTER FEB. 21, 2018 NYT

 

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:23 AM

19. Thank you for this. I have been trying to persuade DUers on this topic

for a long time.So much resistance. The election was stolen!!!

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 03:24 AM

20. And yet the Secretaries of State continue to certify computerized voting gear, ignoring the fact

that these machines -- optiscans, DREs, central tabulators, etc. do not meet the burden of proof that our votes will be counted as cast.

It is highly likely that elections officials at city, county, and state level feel threatened if they try to speak out about the nontransparent privatized voting gear that contains proprietary code -- there is a lot to be gained/lost with stolen elections. HAVA just received another $380 million in the recently passed budget.


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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 04:18 AM

21. we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt

 

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 04:41 AM

22. Why isn't anyone listening?

This is crazy!

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 03:35 PM

24. Even the Obama administration didn't want to go there.

Let's just pretend we have a democracy.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 03:33 PM

23. knr

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