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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:00 PM Apr 2018

"You say you want a Blue Tsunami"

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At least 99.9% of DU members know we need one. Congress must be wrested away from Republicans for there to be actual oversight of all the crimes Trump has committed with real accountability assigned to them, including but not limited to Impeachment and removal from office.

Republicans need to suffer humiliating unprecedented defeats in districts that they had come to believe God gave them dominion over. Trumpism must be crushed as the throwback to racist xenophobic No Nothingism of the 19th century that it literally is. Republicans need to learn that they will never rule in this country with just a third of the public behind them, no matter how fanatical that third may be. Right now less than bat shit crazy Republican politicians are more afraid of losing a Republican primary to Trump's core supporters than they are of being exposed as fully complicit in an attack on America during a general election campaign. They all now must pay for this betrayal.

But how does that work exactly? How do we get that Blue Tsunami? It happens if we make the 2018 midterms a defining moment for America, an ultimate whose side are you on referendum for the country. But there's an unsettling aspect to binary groupings. Whether you end up picking Group A over Group B, or vice versa, you end up in electoral bed with lots of folks who you don't always see eye to eye with. Sometimes that's called a United Front. They tend to emerge if times become dire enough. And the effort that forms one is far more sweeping in scope than just "energizing the base". It involves changing the entire political landscape. We need a whole lot more than loyal Democrats voting party line to pull this off folks.

Sometimes I think we don't know how to do the basic math. There aren't enough registered Democrats in America to save America from authoritarian no nothingism. There aren't enough solid blue states in America to reliably prevent Republicans from controlling the U.S. Senate under a constitution that gives Idaho as many Senate seats as California. For all practical purposes Democratic Party primaries have become the only safe place for adults of good will to hash out reasonable differences between them. Our political system is weighed to reward one of two major political parties with governmental control. One of those parties, the Republicans, has totally jumped the rails, so sane Americans must fight out our differences before the General Election ever comes around. Then we must avoid exasperating any wounds that might have opened up among us during that earlier competitive phase if we expect to win come next November. And then we need to expand on that base.

If Democratic Underground is indicative of anything, we have done a piss poor job of healing before building. Any talk I read here of the utmost importance of unqualified support for Democrats is frankly laughable if it prominently features an asterisk noting only registered Democrats need apply. A Blue Tsunami is not made up of registered Democrats alone. A Democratic Majority in the U.S. Senate, should we be lucky enough to attain one next fall, will not be made up of registered Democratic party members alone. Most of the Democrats who we do elect will not be elected with Democratic votes alone, let alone former Clinton supporter votes alone.

Yes we can and should solidify our base to help create a Blue Tsunami. That involves giving every means of logistical support possible to Democratic Party core voters, starting with but not limited to People of Color, particularly Women of Color but all women too. We need to support them running for office, and we need to go on the offensive against each and every means of targeted minority voter suppression tactics that Republicans use to disenfranchise minorities. Thank god for the ongoing work of those like Eric Hodder. But another definition of base voters commonly refers to those who participate in political party primaries. Hillary Clinton won 16,914,722 of those Democratic voters in 2016. while Bernie Sanders won 13,206,428 of them. If our priority now is indeed the Blue Tsunami needed by America, we need all of our core voters energized and engaged and pursuing this fight together, rather than continuing to be at odds with each other.

Creating a Blue Tsunami also means changing the attitudes of those who were all too likely not to bother to vote in the past. Younger voters come to mind, and I am very enthusiastic and optimistic about that demographic moving forward. They have taken the lead in movements as diverse as "Me Too", "Black Lives Matter" and "March for Our Lives". Anything that can be done to help them must be done now.

And finally it means flipping as many votes that went to Trump in 2016 to Democratic as possible. Just to state the obvious, this doesn't involve wasting any time on Trump's core supporters even though most of Trump's 2016 votes were likely from his rabid core who can only be appealed to through overt racist xenophobic and sexist dog whistles. I agree; Fuck 'em. The rest of his voters, a smaller subset than his core, are a mixed bag many of whom harbor some prejudices and other less than desirable traits. Yes I still want their votes in 2018, in a way like FDR wanted Stalin's troops in 1943. We are in a war for the survival of our Democracy now. The difference between a Blue Wave in November and a Blue Tsunami involves flipping a lot of Districts Democratic that ordinarily we would be out of our minds to fantasize wining.

We can retake the House if we pick up 30 seats. That's not good enough to totally crush Trumpism. We need to pick up 60. I have a hunch that if we do swing as many solid red seats to blue as a Blue Tsunami entails that I will be less than thrilled with some of the Democrats who we will thereby put in office. We can sort that out later, though primaries in some cases if need be, but Trump and the Republican Party that stands behind him must be crushed now.

I have no doubt that Colin Lamb won his seat in Congress using an all of the above vote getting strategy. The district went to Trump by 20 points and Lamb won by less than a thousand votes total. We need to take districts like that now in order to drive a stake through the heart of the current Republican Party. It is a fallacy to say that we can't use an "all of the above" strategy in 2008, just because in different places it makes sense to target our resources appropriately, which will vary. In Nebraska we probably have to target ways to peel off some Trump voters, in areas like Austin Texas we may need to prioritize millennials. In Georgia we have to do massive voter registration drives in African American communities. These efforts of course are not mutually exclusive, they can go on everywhere simultaneously. My point is simply that where the relative motherland of new Democratic votes can be harvested will vary some from district to district, and we need to be surgical in our thinking. And we need to stay focused on our mutual adversary, not on differences that exist within our larger Democratic Coalition.

November 2018 is when we can finally politically destroy Donald Trump and all who stand behind him. We have no choice but to get the job done.


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"You say you want a Blue Tsunami" (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 OP
If Alabama can deliver a US Senator: yallerdawg Apr 2018 #1
Republicans also ran a child molestor in Alabama bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #2
He won Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court twice, once after being removed. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #6
Oh, I agree. Without the wave, Jones wouldn't have stood a chance. bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #8
Okay, sign me up! And thanks for the "Revolution" dameatball Apr 2018 #3
I love that song but it's funny that's it's kinda associated w/being pro-Revolution ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #14
right......all wanna change the world.....but dameatball Apr 2018 #17
We Need To Have An Historic Voter Turnout For The Nov 2018 Election.... global1 Apr 2018 #4
Beyond that.... vi5 Apr 2018 #16
+10000. Makes me think of REVOLUTION STARTS NOW. Hoyt Apr 2018 #5
What a great song! Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #7
That album and the tour just after 2004 election, got me out of a serious depression Hoyt Apr 2018 #18
0ne Other Comment Re: Nov 2018 Election..... global1 Apr 2018 #9
Is there even a chance of us taking the Senate? vi5 Apr 2018 #10
Yes it is possible Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #12
So best case scenario... vi5 Apr 2018 #13
Probably 1 vote, 51-49 bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #19
Are we likely to lose Jones? vi5 Apr 2018 #20
The big blue wave was part of it. bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #21
"jones was sworn in on January 3, 2018, and his term will run through January 3, 2021" Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #22
Ugh.... vi5 Apr 2018 #23
No, it could still be 2018 with Tennessee now in play for us Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #24
Well said Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Apr 2018 #15

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
2. Republicans also ran a child molestor in Alabama
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:16 PM
Apr 2018

Can't count on that in every race. But I get your point lol.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. He won Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court twice, once after being removed.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:30 PM
Apr 2018

Most R's never believed those accusations - to this day.

If Democrats hadn't turned out in record numbers - if it had been business as usual - it would be Senator Moore today, and that jackass in the White House would be introducing him to his daughter at Sunday dinner.

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
8. Oh, I agree. Without the wave, Jones wouldn't have stood a chance.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:43 PM
Apr 2018

I'm just saying, there's a lot of proof that Republican turnout was strongly discouraged because of the sexual assault allegations. If Luther Strange had been running...Strange probably wins by 10 points. Heck, if the sexual assault allegations don't come out, Moore probably wins by 10.

That being said, Jones was the perfect candidate and a great example of how we have to run candidates to fit the district in order to win in November. That includes blue dogs.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. I love that song but it's funny that's it's kinda associated w/being pro-Revolution ...
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:21 PM
Apr 2018

But even a casual parsing of the words reveals it's totally anti-Revolution ... at least any sort or radical and/or violent one.

global1

(25,225 posts)
4. We Need To Have An Historic Voter Turnout For The Nov 2018 Election....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:21 PM
Apr 2018

It needs to be the biggest voter turnout in U.S. history for any election. We need to send a meaningful message to the Repugs & Trump. GOTV!!!!!! There is power in numbers and historically we don't see great voter turnout in any election. This has to change for Nov 2018.

We can't take Nov 2018 for granted there has been a lot of talk about a Blue Wave. What I'm worried about is that many will sit back and say we got this in the bag and maybe not come out to vote. We can't let that happen. This is why all Congressional Dems must stay on message and do everything in their power to influence their constituents to GOTV. We need to turn the Blue Wave into a Blue Tsunami.

We really need to work on older millennials the ones that are a little older and maybe out of college and starting careers and families. We need to get your message out to this group of potential voters. It is too easy for them to be distracted and not take an interest in politics and that they may be more apt to sit out an election. This is also the group that is laden with staggering college loans that they may never get out from under.

We need to make sure that that group realizes that their best interests are at stake in the Nov 2018 election. Especially if they are starting a family - as many political decisions that will be made if the Repugs maintain control of Congress will directly have an impact on their kids and their kids kids.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
16. Beyond that....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:26 PM
Apr 2018

..we also need to start working on our branding and our messaging.

I have cause and occasion to be around a lot of younger folks in the 17-30 age range. I overhear a lot of political discussions. Almost every single one of them has a group of kids espousing progressive and liberal ideas and positions. And to a number they all have to add the caveats "I mean I'm not a Democrat or anything." or "I'm not a liberal or anything."

We need to stop the bleeding by winning by large margins in November. No doubt that is our first order of business.
But in order for it to be sustainable and long-term and not not just a back and forth pendulum swing every year or 2 years, we need to have it stop being a bad thing to be progressive, liberal, or Democrat.

And that's going to involve our leaders, our politicians, our elected Democrats to take back those words and stop being embarrassed by them. We need to stop with the "I'm a different kind of Democrat" talk and need to start letting people know that most of what they believe, most of what they support are in fact liberal progressive Democratic ideals, and that the facts are on our side and that our policies work.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. +10000. Makes me think of REVOLUTION STARTS NOW.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:30 PM
Apr 2018

This song was released a few months before the November 2004 elections.



Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
7. What a great song!
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:36 PM
Apr 2018

I'm a little bit familiar with Steve Earle's music, but clearly not anywhere near familiar enough!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. That album and the tour just after 2004 election, got me out of a serious depression
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 02:24 PM
Apr 2018

after Kerry lost.

Earle calls himself a "socialist" and appears at a lot of charity events. I have not read his books, yet, but will. He's really quite political and his concerts are great -- whether solo acoustic or full band.

global1

(25,225 posts)
9. 0ne Other Comment Re: Nov 2018 Election.....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:45 PM
Apr 2018

We need to run against the Repug Party and not make this election solely about Trump. Trump has been the Repugs useful idiot. He diverts attention from a lot of crap that the Repugs are slipping by us.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
10. Is there even a chance of us taking the Senate?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 12:49 PM
Apr 2018

I keep hearing conflicting things about the numbers being against us, or an uphill battle. I think if there's any year we can get over that hill it's this one, but still.

In any case, I hope we are (and so far it seems like we have been) focusing more on statehouses and governerships and the like. To me, that is the very important stuff that we've neglected with too much of a focus on the presidency and national offices.

So much of the damage that needs to be undone needs to be at the state level as much as it does the national level.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
12. Yes it is possible
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:00 PM
Apr 2018

Democrats are unlucky this cycle because we have to defend many more states than Republicans have to, some in "Red States". But we now have a chance for a pick up in Tennessee, we always had a good chance in Nevada, a seat in from Arizona is possible. Dems pretty much have to pull an inside straight to win the Senate. Picking up essentially every potentially vulnerable republican seat while losing none of our own.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
13. So best case scenario...
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:19 PM
Apr 2018

...if we hit that inside straight is that we would control the senate by how many votes?

Then the bigger question is, how many of those would be "Not like the other Democrats" votes? I get that having Majority Leader Schumer is still a good thing regardless, but if we run the risk of Republicans only needing to peel off 2 Dems who would welcome the "bipartisan" attention then all we are doing is putting a finger in a large dam.

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
19. Probably 1 vote, 51-49
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 02:47 PM
Apr 2018

That happens if 1. Dems can take the Tennessee seat, Nevada seat and an Arizona seat (Arizona could be pretty tough) while winning all of our own seats and losing Jones in Alabama.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
20. Are we likely to lose Jones?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:50 PM
Apr 2018

Wasn't that our big Blue Wave victory?

Or was it just as many of us expected, that he was running against an idiot pedophile like Moore?

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
21. The big blue wave was part of it.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:54 PM
Apr 2018

But if the pedophilia stuff with Moore hadn’t come out, he would have won comfortably. I hope Jones can hang out, but the chances are pretty slim there as long as his opponent doesn’t have some kind of massive scandal like Moore.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
22. "jones was sworn in on January 3, 2018, and his term will run through January 3, 2021"
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:08 PM
Apr 2018

He is finishing the term Jeff sessions was elected to, so no Jones does not have to run again until the 2020 election. So the odds of our winning the Senate back in 2018, while daunting, are not almost impossible. We do have many more vulnerable incumbents than Republicans do however, unless the Blue Tsunami is really epic. Here is a site with interactive maps on Senate races:
https://www.270towin.com/2018-senate-election-predictions/

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
23. Ugh....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:13 PM
Apr 2018

...how any Democrat could be "vulnerable" in this climate is beyond me.

So if I'm reading this correctly that means the next time we could reasonably win the Senate back is 2020?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
24. No, it could still be 2018 with Tennessee now in play for us
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:27 PM
Apr 2018

If we win Tennessee and Nevada and say one seat in Arizona that would bring us to 52 seats. If we can also somehow beat Cruz in Texas, a real long shot but not totally out of the realm of possibility, we could hit 53 seats. Republicans will be hoping to knock off these Dems from States where Trump won:

Claire McCaskill MO
Jon Tester MT
Heidi Heitkamp ND
Joe Donnelly IN
Joe Manchin WV
Bill Nelson FL

Republicans always hope to knock off
Sherrod Brwon OH

They will try to pick up Franken's seat now held (since 2018) by
Tina Smith MN

They hope legal difficulties will help them pick up a seat in NJ from
Bob Menendez NJ

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