What will the ANTI Kamala Harris talking points be, any guesses?

[Eliot Rosewater]

We know how this works.

Dont we.

Wonder what LIES they will tell about her or ANY powerful democratic candidate?

[Aristus]

1. "She's a woman".

"She's not white".

"She's not American." (They're going to make hay out of the name Kamala; you just know they will.)

Pick anything at all, they'll piss all over it and call it a reason not to vote for her.

[lapfog_1]

2. San Francisco Values... Whatever the F they mean by that.

I've lived in or near SF for 30 years... and I really don't understand what the knock is on either California or San Francisco... other than jealosy

[marylandblue]

11. Do you really have to ask?

Everyone knows real Americans aren't gay trans Muslim atheist Arab Asian latte-sipping tech millionaire communists like all you San Franciscans are. If you lived a real state like Nebraska or Alabama you'd know that. And you'd drink regular coffee too.

[lapfog_1]

19. You know whats funny about that...

I grew up in Kansas... ok, long before the wingnuts took over. We did not have any large populations of gay trans Muslim Atheist Arab Asians and there was no latte or millionaires for that matter (well, maybe a few) .

But we all got along pretty well, I never saw any overt racist actions.

When I first moved to California (1989) ... I couldn't believe the "caste system" in place here.

from top to bottom:
Whites
Chinese or Japanese
Indian (subcontinent)
Black
Hispanic

And the overt racism because of that. One of my coworkers was from Colombia (we are all in high tech), one of the highest paid tech people I knew. And when we went out to lunch or dinner or something... unless it was to a Hispanic place... he would get all kinds of nasty looks, followed around in a store, even asked to pay in advance in a restaurant once (we left). Unbelievable.

[bettyellen]

3. Shes used sex to get ahead? Its either that or that theyre unattractive and

couldn’t use sex to get ahead.

I think she has amazing presence and is quick witted enough to make a lot of pols look like morons. I adore her. And I think energizing even more women and POC is key. White men are never going to reliably vote Dem.

[Tatiana]

4. Did I miss something?

Why are people anti-Kamala Harris?

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Oh you have missed it then, I have seen far lefters bashing her left and right.

The question will be how clever will people be from the LEFT criticizing her, making it APPEAR to be legitimate criticism but what it really is, well you know.

[GaryCnf]

40. The last "bashing" I saw

Was from people who supported her when she was being called the next Hillary but who found all sorts of reasons to flock to Biden or Joe III right after she joined Sanders as a co-sponsor of Medicaid for All and started talking publicly about criminal justice reform, abolishing the death penalty, etc.

She's an easy 1/2 for me.

[KPN]

55. Must have missed all that. Link(s)?

Kamala Harris has considerable cachet in my book.

[Whiskeytide]

6. Does she use email? They like to stick to the classics. NT

[GulfCoast66]

7. I dont have to guess

I have seen the attacks here on DU.

Some on the left see her, and others, as a threat.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. She is pushy .

She is a far left Liberal .

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. Or not far left enough for some.

See how this works?

Too far left for idiot cons and not far left enough for certain others.

[Wellstone ruled]

16. Met Kamala here in Vegas

at a Cortes Masto event. She is the real deal. And she,like Masto,scares the living carp out of the Rethugs. Our Adelson owned paper tried to discredit here every which way.

[NewJeffCT]

47. Harris has the most liberal voting record of any senator

ahead of even Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren.

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. This is actually WHY she will be attacked by some on the left because there is an agenda

that is obvious to some of us, but oh well.

[NewJeffCT]

50. OK

so, the "left" will attack her for being too liberal? I thought the media and DLC types would criticize her for being too liberal, not the left wing of the Democratic party?

Now, I can understand attacks on her record as California AG and not prosecuting banks aggressively enough (the explanation I heard a while back was pretty complicated and likely wouldn't fit into a tweet or soundbite), but attacking her from the left for being too liberal?

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. No, that will not be the REASON given. I am two moves further into the game than most,

I cant explain it further than that.

[gibraltar72]

9. She makes Sessions nervous!

[Mr. Ected]

12. She once sat in a stall in a ladies' restroom next to Nancy Pelosi's stall

And the two of them passed Deep State secrets and the Seth Rich murder weapon.

Honestly. This is the kind of shit they spew, and believe.

[VOX]

13. "Another Democrat demographic push," "Far-left acolyte of Jerry Brown's Democrat-Marxist agenda."

"Out of touch with real, red-blooded American values."
"An Obama wanna-be of the female persuasion."
"She's a California leftist Democrat -- what more needs to be said?"
"Straight out of the loony-left liberal bastion of California, the traitor-state that we ignore when talking about President Trump's incredible Electoral College landslide in the 2016 election."
"She's black, a woman and a Democrat -- strike three."
"More identity politics from the party that puts diversity ahead of citizen's rights."

Damn, it's downright depressing even imagining the words of such negative, hateful people.

[comradebillyboy]

14. She will be attacked from the left for not prosecuting

people like the evil bankers, whom she had no chance of convicting. People don't like it when Republicans use the justice system to attack political opponents and they don't really think Democrats should do it either.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. There it is, that one sounds familiar

[Blue_true]

25. Yep.

She will be attacked for being cosy with banks, even when she wasn't. Also, her husband is a partner at a bigtime law firm, I am sure some on the left will find fault with that.

The right? They will just look at how she gets attacked in primaries, then refine the very same attacks if she is the democratic nominee.

[sheshe2]

17. She is a woman.

We all know how irrational they can be. I was told that I was as well.

[David__77]

18. Too liberal. Supports Medicare for all.

...

[oberliner]

20. From the right or from the left?

[Blue_true]

26. The right will take their cues from the left.

She already has been attacked on DU by some.

[JCanete]

67. no they will not. You can't actually take left talking points without putting a target

on your own corporate agenda toting back.

As to attack versus disagreements with approach and concerns about big dollar fundraising venues...that is entirely legitimate to talk about particularly in comparison and contrast to other candidate options, though I think I like Harris, and am certainly interested in a couple moves she's made lately. It is reactionary and bad form to lump everybody together if they have a beef or a criticism as simply trying to take down powerful democrats.

[mcar]

21. I've already seen it here, and elsewhere

The usual corporatist mumbo jumbo.

I await "I want to vote for a woman, just not this woman" line.

[Blue_true]

27. Her hubby works for a powerful law firm as a partner.

The approach of the Our Revolution set is to blame the woman for where her husband works. Nancy Pelosi gets attacked for her husband being a super rich developer in California. Hillary got attached to every questionable thing that Bill did, as if SHE was making policy.

[mcar]

34. I've seen DiFi criticized for the same

Guess the sins (real or imagined) of the husband must be borne by the wife.

But there's nothing sexist about that.

[Blue_true]

37. Really disgusting when that happens.

The people doing it paint themselves as stout protectors of liberal causes, calling those causes out by name. If you challenge them, they call you a Dino or worse.

[George II]

22. You can wrap up the talking points about Barack Obama AND Hillary Clinton into one neat package....

....Kamala Harris represents two of the things they don't like - she's Black AND a woman.

[Blue_true]

28. Actually, she is biracial. But I see your point. nt

[NurseJackie]

23. There used to be an anti Kamala member here...

... but he's gone now, thankfully. But I'll bet he'd have had something nasty to say about her.

[Blue_true]

29. There was more than one.

Just wait for 2020 primaries, those people will come out throwing bombs and posting articles from rightwing sites.

[NurseJackie]

30. This one was coated in Teflon ... a total troll,

... but he managed to skate by for years!

[lapucelle]

24. She's a "flawed" candidate. N/T

[NurseJackie]

31. Oh Lord... Of course we'll hear that.

It makes me sick.

[PoorMonger]

32. There was some criticism on DU

About her use of asset forfeiture as CA AG as I remember, trying to paint her as unfair and overzealous. There was also something very similar to what people said about Hillary - that she tried too hard to prove she’s tough, so she might be quick to conflict. The same tired sexism really.

[IluvPitties]

33. From the right? Radical, black woman from CA.

[CentralMass]

35. Who would bash a well liked candidate on a continuous basis ?

That would just create a caustic environment where people might tend to associate negative feelings towards those who do it often. Clearly that doesn't happen here.

The next thing you know we will have people questioning the patriotism.of other people based on their support of candidates past or present.

It's a good thing we are all superior and know better then everyone else.

[BannonsLiver]

36. Forfeiture blah blah blah

That’ll be from the JPR loony types. Minutiae made to sound disqualifying.

[H2O Man]

38. Recommended.

I think about that, too. But not that much, because I think she is outstanding. I'd love it if she were the nominee in 2020. And I am absolutely impressed by her communication skills. I think she'd beat any republican.

[Yavin4]

39. She's not Bernie.

So, she will be attacked for it.

[Demsrule86]

57. And that is the entire point...there is a small (I think quite small) contingent of Sen. Sander's

supporters who want him to run in 20. I believe this to be a bad idea. We need younger candidates and fresh faces.

[GaryCnf]

41. Alternate reality

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029535876&ved=2ahUKEwilvoSp05_aAhUumeAKHfqMCXkQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1q4wk5hWZWXvkPG_t093Fn

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029535386&ved=2ahUKEwilvoSp05_aAhUumeAKHfqMCXkQFjABegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0PGr7fVprbZLLVJ_9dM1v0

But but but . . . it's the left who's to blame

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. You cant be on the "left" and do anything that would remotely help the cons win an election

so the folks who did help the cons with constant bashing of certain folks arent left, at all.

And none of them is as far LEFT as I am and I UNCONDITIONALLY support the Democratic party and more I UNCONDITIONALLY support the Democratic candidate most likely to win their given election NO MATTER how NOT left they are.

I get so sick of people calling themselves on the left when they would risk more republicans being elected.

[Hoyt]

42. Primary or General Election?

[R B Garr]

43. Theyve already started. Obama endorsed her so shes

“establishment.” Something something corporations. And there is supposedly some drama/conspiracy drummed up about why she didn’t prosecute some banks, although she has such a fierce reputation as an Attorney General that some underhanded fraudsters steered clear of California.

IOW, the usual.

[agincourt]

44. neo-libruuuul, neo-libruuual, neo lebuuuurrrral!

will roll out of the "awokes" pieholes, without a single mention, none at all, of the GOP's unrestrained robber baron economic policies.

[betsuni]

45. Centrist establishment pro-corporation/banks/Wall St./trade with a large order of identy politics.

Done!

[Hortensis]

46. Well, WI just elected the Dem-aligned candidate to the supreme court

by a huge margin. A bunch of our big hitters endorsed her, like VP Biden.

Our Revolution supported someone else, who lost big.

And all the Republican bad-mouthing in the world didn't help their candidate.

I think we need to concentrate on what we like and admire about our Democratic candidates, and let their opponents fuss over how to take them out.

Kamala has a long, well-documented history of solid liberal, progressive, Democratic values and of fighting for them. And she's really, really smart and competent, things that always push my buttons.

Mother Jones: ... As a woman of color, she embodies two key Democratic constituencies, and she is beloved by the wing of the party that broke for Hillary Clinton. But among those on the far left, including many die-hard Bernie Sanders supporters, she’s an object of disdain, a Hillary-bot with weak progressive credentials. ...

The contradiction boils down to this: Harris is not interested in crusading from the outside; her mission is to reform the system from within. And no chapter of her life better reveals this dynamic than her days as a newly elected district attorney in San Francisco, working to get one radical program off the ground.

Kamala (pronounced comma-la) Devi Harris’ very existence is arguably a testament to the unique possibilities of 1960s California. Her mother, Shyamala Gopalan, emigrated from Chennai, India, to come to the University of California-Berkeley to pursue a doctorate in nutrition and endocrinology. Born and raised in Jamaica, her father, Donald Harris, was at the university earning a Ph.D. in economics. Shyamala was supposed to return to India and an arranged marriage, but she fell in love with Donald and political activism. Kamala was born in 1964, and she frequently talks of going with them to civil rights marches as a kid. She also tells a story that once, when she was fussing as a child, her mom asked what she wanted and she yelled back, “fweedom!”

Her family’s political legacy, though, stretches further back, to India, where her grandfather was active in the fight to gain independence from British colonial rule and her grandmother walked the streets with a bullhorn, telling poor women how to access birth control. “Both of my grandparents impressed upon me their conviction that we each have the capacity and the responsibility to work for a better and more just society,” Harris writes in her 2009 book, Smart on Crime.

Harris attended Howard University, where she majored in political science and economics and was inspired by a strong legacy of black achievement. ...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/the-secret-to-understanding-kamala-harris/

[Demsrule86]

58. Our Revolution is the anti-Democrat group that also supports Republicans. I believe if truth

be told they would rather elect Republicans if their candidate doesn't win a primary.

[Hortensis]

68. Some definitely. I think others just haven't realized

yet the dysfunction they're mixed up with and that since their goals are basically copied from the Democratic Party, what it really means when they try to sabotage our candidates.

This race was typical. Sure, they had a right to run a candidate they believe in, but this one couldn't win and whose vote was being split? Thank goodness the Repub candidate was so extreme.

[Demsrule86]

69. We dodged a bullet.

[ehrnst]

48. Well, Joe Kennedy III was excoriated for simply being more wealthy than most congresspersons.

So they don't even need lies to create negatives, especially if they decide to enter, or even hint at entering the 2020 race as Democrats.

Imma bet that she is going to slammed as following:

She's got money

That she and her husband are "corporatists" because he works as a lawyer in a firm.

That some Hillary donors support her.

She was DA for San Francisco, so her record of prosecutions of minority defendants will be held up as "complicity with a corrupt and racist judicial system" and her record will be gone through with a fine tooth comb for any and all possible oversentencing.

And of course we'll hear "It's not enough to vote for her because she's a woman," which some have expressed belief is a problem among Democrats. Because, like you know, we all got behind Palin, Bachmann and Fiorina.

[NewJeffCT]

54. I posted on here a few times about Kennedy

I don't give a damn about his wealth - FDR is a hero to the left and he was from a wealthy patrician family. JFK is also a hero to Democrats and was also from that same wealthy patrician family as Kennedy.

However, what I do care about Kennedy is that his actual voting record is in the below average range among Democrats in terms of how liberal he is. He was somewhere around the 110th most liberal member (#1 being Raul Grijalva) of the caucus out of 194/195 Democrats. He is in a very safe blue district, but his voting record is still that of a moderate Democrat.

[Demsrule86]

59. I like her, and I like Joe Kennedy III. I don't give a damn what the usual suspects who cost us 16

think. I do have reservations about a woman candidate...and I am a woman because I think with all the sexism out there, a woman may not be able to win at this time. And this is a crucial election. I would prefer a woman vice president. We must win or seriously it is not over the top to say we lose the battle and the war if we don't win in 20...progressive policy gone.

[NCTraveler]

51. Do a site search for...

"Ken Burch Kamala Harris"

That about covers it.

[redgreenandblue]

56. What's with the preemptive whining? How about you make the case FOR her.

I really don't know much about her but given that a certain crowd is already cranking the victimhood engine I'm not so sure she is a winning candidate.

[Demsrule86]

60. They only want one candidate and he will surely lose big in a general.

I doubt he can win a primary...but we don't need this in 20.

[Eliot Rosewater]

62. there it is

[The_Casual_Observer]

61. Corporate campaign donations, big pharma.

It's the brittle litmus test of the Jacobins.

[MyOwnPeace]

63. What? Nobody noticed................

she's Nancy Pelosi's love child!

[Blue_Tires]

64. Take a look at Our Revolution or TYT or the Intercept or Taibbi's space at Rolling Stone

or CounterPunch or Sputnik or RT or DemocracyNow! or TASS because they'll be the first to fire their salvos when Harris is in the ascendancy, mark my words...

[Eliot Rosewater]

65. TYT especially. Given Cenk accepts millions from republicans I am not sure why

anyone would listen to him other than republicans.

[highmindedhavi]

66. Homeless population

Any CA politician will have to answer why, under dem control, did the homeless population grow.