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niyad

(113,052 posts)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:56 PM Apr 2018

Secret use of census info helped send Japanese Americans to internment camps in WWII

(and, in a companion piece, ibm's role in the Holocaust https://www.huffingtonpost.com/edwin-black/ibm-holocaust_b_1301691.html https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210445880)


Secret use of census info helped send Japanese Americans to internment camps in WWII


Children at the Manzanar internment camp in California in 1943; photo taken by photographer Toyo Miyatake. (National Park Service/AP)

The Census Bureau plans to ask people if they are U.S. citizens in the 2020 count of the nation’s population, igniting fears that the information could be used to target those in the country illegally.
Census officials said the question is being reinstated for the first time since 1950 to help enforce the Voting Rights Act and that there are safeguards in place to prevent any abuse of the information. It is illegal to release information that would identify individuals or families.

But that does not mean that census data has not been used to target specific populations in the past.
In fact, information from the 1940 Census was secretly used in one of the worst violations of constitutional rights in U.S. history: the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. In papers presented in 2000 and 2007, historian Margo J. Anderson of the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee and statistician William Seltzer of Fordham University found evidence that census officials cooperated with the government, providing data to target Japanese Americans.

https://videos.posttv.com/washpost-production/U_S._Office_of_War_Information/20180330/5abe9e90e4b09050267fd692/5abe9e9fe4b05fcebe3f4194_1439412153584-wn5qra_t_1522441898696_640_360_600.mp4
The 1943 film "Japanese Relocation" tried to justify the government's decision to move people of Japanese ancestry from the West Coast to internment camps. (U.S. Office of War Information)

The Japanese American community had long suspected the Census Bureau of playing a role in the push to banish 120,000 Japanese Americans, mostly living on the West Coast, into nearly a dozen internment camps after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, according to former commerce secretary Norman Mineta. Mineta, who lived in San Jose, was 11 when he and his family were sent to live in an internment camp in Heart Mountain, Wyo.



For decades, though, census officials denied that they had played any role in providing information.
According to Anderson and Seltzer, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and military intelligence agencies began pushing in late 1939 to relax census confidentiality rules in the hope of accessing data on individuals. But the effort was opposed by Census Bureau Director William Lane Austin. After the 1940 presidential election, however, Austin was forced to retire. He was replaced by J.C. Capt, who backed efforts to remove confidentiality provisions. Capt’s efforts helped clear the way for other agencies to access the information on Japanese Americans.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/04/03/secret-use-of-census-info-helped-send-japanese-americans-to-internment-camps-in-wwii/?utm_term=.6fc9c7889b52

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Secret use of census info helped send Japanese Americans to internment camps in WWII (Original Post) niyad Apr 2018 OP
Here it comes. SummerSnow Apr 2018 #1
Well, we also must have GOOD census data Hortensis Apr 2018 #26
Nazi is in the WH, Putin is his boss. I hope people wake up soon Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #2
They are apparently planning to ask if one is gay, too... malthaussen Apr 2018 #3
well, if you are going to treat the gays the way you treat the illegals (or whoever is pissing you niyad Apr 2018 #5
Now, now, I did say "legitimate." malthaussen Apr 2018 #7
funny --some people like bragging about their worth. guess it depends on who is asking. niyad Apr 2018 #9
Why can't we... magicarpet Apr 2018 #14
Of course it is useful to the government whopis01 Apr 2018 #15
Excuse me????? Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #20
Thus, I say "legitimate" use. malthaussen Apr 2018 #25
So agree. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #4
some days I just... can't... hlthe2b Apr 2018 #6
there are many days I feel the same way. niyad Apr 2018 #8
shameful Skittles Apr 2018 #10
politest word for that whole unconstitutional travesty. niyad Apr 2018 #11
In today's dark political climate, I mistrust anything they want to do with the Census Hekate Apr 2018 #12
absolutely correct. niyad Apr 2018 #27
How many years until Internal Travel Documents? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #13
We are already there. fescuerescue Apr 2018 #16
you have to present papers when crossing state lines? I sure don't blake2012 Apr 2018 #23
Really? fescuerescue Apr 2018 #24
You have to show ID at every state border ??? MichMan Apr 2018 #31
Have to show ID to the conductor. fescuerescue Apr 2018 #32
Census data in the hands of Drumpt meaning Putin. What could go wrong? kairos12 Apr 2018 #17
why, absolutely. . . EVERYTHING!!! niyad Apr 2018 #29
Someone pointed this out the other day to explain why the current fear was irrational. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #18
Only the indigenous native American Indians are non-immigrants to this country. The rest of us need iluvtennis Apr 2018 #19
Some of us did NOT "immigrate" here by choice BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #21
Yep, thats how my ancestors were brought here - forced migration iluvtennis Apr 2018 #22
100% of the blame should be directed against FDR MichMan Apr 2018 #28
I know. that adulation has always bothered me. Not only were American citizens interred, their niyad Apr 2018 #30

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Well, we also must have GOOD census data
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 09:52 AM
Apr 2018

to take GOOD care of ourselves. 330,000,000 people in every possible personal and geographic variation of needs can't be served without good, solid numbers and lots of them.

The biggest problem with the citizenship question is not that it wouldn't give us valuable information we really could use to good purpose, but rather that it would cause people to hide from the census, resulting in warped undercounts. And that's the biggest purpose.

The anti-government/anti-tax people driving this have always been far more interested in corrupting the census to cut taxes and services to all of us than in persecuting minority groups.

We've always fought them. Nothing new this year. We need to say yes to balance and good sense, yes to science and knowledge, and a huge no to both them and to the kind of paranoia that unfortunately serves them all too well.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
3. They are apparently planning to ask if one is gay, too...
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:59 PM
Apr 2018

... at least, if one's marriage is same-sex or opposite-sex, which is information for which I can see no legitimate value to the government.

-- Mal

niyad

(113,052 posts)
5. well, if you are going to treat the gays the way you treat the illegals (or whoever is pissing you
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 02:00 PM
Apr 2018

off at the moment. . . . .

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
7. Now, now, I did say "legitimate."
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 02:02 PM
Apr 2018

I did two tours with the Senseless Bureau, and people were pissed off then about having to say what their house was worth.

-- Mal

magicarpet

(14,119 posts)
14. Why can't we...
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:22 PM
Apr 2018

* sew a patch into the outside breast area of their clothing ?

* Tattoo some identifying mark on their inside wrist.... Oh hell this ain't no beauty pageant - slap a tattoo right on the center of their forehead. A right up front and in your face - Scarlet Letter of universal hatred. That way the masses can more easily and readily join in on the hatefest.

Full strength industrial - Fascism.
MAGA !
USA - USA - USA !




whopis01

(3,491 posts)
15. Of course it is useful to the government
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:31 PM
Apr 2018

You have to know who gets the pink triangles and who gets the yellow stars and who gets the black triangles.


It just is not of use to a legitimate government.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
20. Excuse me?????
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:50 PM
Apr 2018

The census has, in the past, tried extremely hard to make LGBT individuals invisible.

In the 1990 census, as an individual, I marked married on my census form. Then I went to work and dutifully recoded it (or others like it) to domestic partner. Our instructions were to recode any same gender couple who had dared claim to be married to domestic partner.

We have been actively lobbying for inclusion for years. Being counted means being able to command $support - for example - for LGBT health initiatives; having legitimate numbers about how many of us there are keeps conservatives from insisting that there aren't any (or so few it doesn't matter) LGBT individuals.

Services & Advocacy for LGBT Elders (SAGE) announced that it is launching a nationwide effort to oppose the Trump Administration’s proposed erasure of LGBT elders from the NSOAAP. Specifically, SAGE opposes changes that would eliminate questions that allow the federal government to assess the extent to which LGBT older adults are receiving federally funded elder services.


https://sageusa.org/newsevents/news.cfm?ID=376

Case in point: One of tomorrow morning’s top news stories will be the latest unemployment numbers, which the Bureau of Labor Statistics will release at 8:30 a.m. The media will cover the overall rate itself, as well as how different groups of people in the United States are experiencing unemployment, including women, younger workers, and African Americans and Latinos.

Gay and transgender workers,* however, will not be discussed in the coverage because the bureau does not collect any demographic data on sexual orientation or gender identity. As other research suggests that gay and transgender people have some of the highest rates of unemployment in our country, the bureau should take steps to add these questions as soon as possible.


https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2012/09/06/36134/critical-government-surveys-omit-gay-and-transgender-people/

Knowledge is power.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
25. Thus, I say "legitimate" use.
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 09:45 AM
Apr 2018

The government should treat everyone equally. It is a principle embodied in our founding document. "Everybody" is not a word that should be hard to understand.

Of course, that is why I say "should," because there is a difference between "ought" and "is."

Now, in view of the widespread discrimination against the "other" of one's choice, it becomes an interesting question whether identifying one as an "other" will lead to programs that help eliminate or ameliorate their oppression, or whether it will lead to easier identification of those "others," and thus further oppression. In light of current government tendencies, I would be very wary of any procedure that might paint a target on someone's back.

-- Mal

niyad

(113,052 posts)
8. there are many days I feel the same way.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 02:05 PM
Apr 2018

from "Handmaid's Tale" on. . . the coming days look very dystopian.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,559 posts)
13. How many years until Internal Travel Documents?
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:20 PM
Apr 2018

Every day, things get a little worse...unless they get a lot worse.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
16. We are already there.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:33 PM
Apr 2018

Unless you walk from state to state. Even then I bet you get stopped plenty of times and asked for ID.

Flying, driving, train. All require "papers".

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
23. you have to present papers when crossing state lines? I sure don't
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:13 PM
Apr 2018

I also don't have to when riding the local train or Amtrak.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
24. Really?
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:26 PM
Apr 2018

When I ride Amtrak, I always have to show ID (carolinas) . Don't have any other train service other than Amtrak though.

It wasn't all that long ago (1990's) that I could get an airplane without showing ID. Just a ticket. More than a few times I fly on someone else's ticket.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
32. Have to show ID to the conductor.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:34 PM
Apr 2018

Or TSA.

And the plane or train takes us across the border(s).

Younger folks think this is normal. But it's a product of the 1990's.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
18. Someone pointed this out the other day to explain why the current fear was irrational.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:41 PM
Apr 2018


(I think their point was that it was used by a Democrat, but it still seems to me to perfectly illustrate what the concerns are.)

iluvtennis

(19,833 posts)
19. Only the indigenous native American Indians are non-immigrants to this country. The rest of us need
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:43 PM
Apr 2018

to fill out our census forms as "immigrant".

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
21. Some of us did NOT "immigrate" here by choice
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:52 PM
Apr 2018

We were dragged kicking and screaming and shackled and beaten and branded and raped and forced to work with no pay. And even then weren't considered "citizens", let alone human beings.... simply chattle... until we were eventually deemed "3/5ths" of a human, but only to pad the count in this self-same "census" so that the southern slave plantation owners could get more representatives in their states.

MichMan

(11,868 posts)
28. 100% of the blame should be directed against FDR
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 08:21 PM
Apr 2018

The Japanese internment was one of the most despicable acts any US president has ever done. Far worse than anything done by Reagan, GW Bush or Trump for that matter.

Don't understand why so many progressives consider FDR as was one of the greatest ever. Who cares if innocent people of Japanese descent were put in prison camps; he created Social Security Yeah!!!

niyad

(113,052 posts)
30. I know. that adulation has always bothered me. Not only were American citizens interred, their
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 11:09 AM
Apr 2018

properties, goods and livelihoods were stolen.

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