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Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:02 PM

Mueller must be getting really close to Trump with this Russia investigation?

His loyalties are deeply torn.

Does he protect himself or does he protect Putin? He hates to make Putie mad but he has to protect himself above all else.

Because Mueller is so close, it serves his purpose to appear to be going against Russia's interest, such as expelling 60 diplomats from the Northwest. Then, he secretly calls Putin to let him know that he can replace those 60 diplomats anytime he wants?

Furthermore, he will make an announcement that there are plans to pull all US troops out of Syria operation. That would leave it all to Russia. That is what Russia has been looking forward to for a long time. They can re-stabilize Assad and get their foot back into the Middle East. This is a big concession for Trump. He has to be very careful not to make Putin too angry.

But it is all kabuki theater. To appear to be something it really is not. But as Mueller's investigation has gotten closer and closer to Trump, he does his damnedest to be hard on Russia.

However, it is all a game to deceive the American people.

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Reply Mueller must be getting really close to Trump with this Russia investigation? (Original post)
kentuck Apr 2018 OP
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #1
kentuck Apr 2018 #2
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #4
kentuck Apr 2018 #6
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #8
dameatball Apr 2018 #11
kentuck Apr 2018 #12
dameatball Apr 2018 #17
kentuck Apr 2018 #19
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #20
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #16
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #18
Sophia4 Apr 2018 #36
triron Apr 2018 #9
kentuck Apr 2018 #10
former9thward Apr 2018 #29
kentuck Apr 2018 #32
former9thward Apr 2018 #40
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #28
former9thward Apr 2018 #30
Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #38
OnDoutside Apr 2018 #13
kentuck Apr 2018 #31
OnDoutside Apr 2018 #41
Takket Apr 2018 #26
Achilleaze Apr 2018 #3
BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #5
kentuck Apr 2018 #7
Adrahil Apr 2018 #14
kentuck Apr 2018 #15
Adrahil Apr 2018 #34
Mr. Ected Apr 2018 #21
kentuck Apr 2018 #23
oberliner Apr 2018 #22
kentuck Apr 2018 #25
oberliner Apr 2018 #27
Skittles Apr 2018 #24
kentuck Apr 2018 #33
Pobeka Apr 2018 #35
kentuck Apr 2018 #37
Pobeka Apr 2018 #39
kentuck Apr 2018 #42

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:10 PM

1. First off,the so called 60 being

deported are going to be replaced by 60 new people. Secondly,the Pentagon is truly worried over Trump's running his mouth. Remember,we have working written arrangements with tons of Foreign Military Organizations,and, the Commanders sitting in the Pentagon are going to push back .


Mueller will not move on Trump until late fall or early January of 2019. We are dealing with Espionage and Treason,and with the rounding up of players involved and running them through the Court system takes time. If one remembers,once things started to pop during the Nixon Watergate,many of the Players were bankrupt in the end. Same will happen with Trump Gate.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:15 PM

2. I think you are correct that Mueller is waiting until after the election in November...

If necessary, and if he does not have enough for criminal conviction of Trump, he will turn it over to the Congress, with hopes that the Democrats will be in charge and will decide if an impeachment is called for? But, he would not want to hand it over to the House so long as Republicans are in charge.

It will then be a time for reckoning.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:38 PM

4. This whole

Espionage and Treason thing appears to be defendant on a Couple of Sitting Grand Juries which Trump can not influence . Notice it takes about 4-6 weeks for Team Mueller to take out key players and their associates,with guilty pleas or Indictments.

Team Mueller is doing their level best to preserve our Democracy despite the road blocks being put up against them by our own Oligarchs.

Key will be what McConnell and Ryan do in the next 90 days,Congress goes in Summer Recess in what two months.

Remember also,it took 900 days to remove Nixon from point of discovery.

Mueller and team seem to be working a RICO type case.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:41 PM

6. I don't think McConnell or Ryan will do anything...

They are waiting to read the tea leaves from the next election.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:44 PM

8. McConnell will do what ever it takes to say his Ass as well

as Trump's. It is after-all,the Russian Oligarch's funding his Campaign PAC as well as Ryan's. And Ryan will has to answer do the road with his Campaign Funding Rules in Wisconsin.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:54 PM

11. I do not think that Mueller is waiting for anything beyond incontrovertible evidence.

This evidence will produce much more than one charge, one arrest. That takes a while in a case that involves years of corruption. I am in no hurry....let the cloud hang over 2018....unless Trump decides to blow up the world....then I'm all in....)
I joke, but in a way......sadly....I don't.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:58 PM

12. I think Mueller has been on this trail for a long time.

But, until now, he did not have the means or the resources to follow it where it led. For now, he has the full force of the US Government behind him. It is a deep and complex investigation, I am sure.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:05 PM

17. I am curious about what Mueller can reveal to state and local authorities

Also how that affects the timing, movement of his investigation. If Trump has ties (of course he does) to organized crime, how does each domino affect the next one?

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Response to dameatball (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:07 PM

19. Good questions!

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Response to dameatball (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:09 PM

20. Sure appearing New York,Virginna and California are

starting to ramp up their Legal Beagles. Watching if California does the Stormy Case,that will require Trump to be deposed and the State AG is a real Lawyer not some Political Hack.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:04 PM

16. You and I are on the same page.

My take away is this,do remember Mueller saying something about a previous investigation were he thought he could have done a better job of evidence gathering and presentation to the Courts.

Always remember what John Dean said,it took 900 days to take out Nixon and this Case appears about ten times larger.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:06 PM

18. As long as Trump rellies on

likes of Adelson,Murdoch,Barrick and Hannity,this is only going to get uglier by the day.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:30 PM

36. Yes.

 

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:47 PM

9. How do you know this (that those 60 willbe replaced)?

I genuinely hope you are correct but don't have confidence.

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Response to triron (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:53 PM

10. It has been reported.

I don't recall where I saw it or read it. And Trump wants everyone in the White House to stay quiet about it.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:56 PM

29. It was reported on DU.

And it was a quote from a conspiracy blogger. No evidence whatsoever and no reporting by anyone credible.

"And Trump wants everyone in the White House to stay quiet about it." Right... In a White House that has been leakier than the Titanic...

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Response to former9thward (Reply #29)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:08 PM

32. That would be helpful to know.



http://www.businessinsider.com/theres-a-huge-caveat-in-the-us-expulsion-of-60-russian-diplomats-2018-3

<snip>
The US' expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats in response to a chemical attack on a former Russian spy in the UK, announced earlier this week, has a huge loophole.
A State Department official confirmed that the US will not require Russia to reduce the number of staff in its Washington embassy.
In other words, the 60 diplomats many of whom were undercover intelligence officers who were kicked out can be replaced by others.
Targeted expulsions like this week's are not uncommon; the Obama administration's move to expel 35 diplomats in 2016 was made under similar conditions.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 08:59 PM

40. So Obama did the same thing.

Thanks for the link. And the clarification which is not the same as the post.

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Response to triron (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:51 PM

28. Trump White House said as much on Thursday.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:56 PM

30. Could you please link to that?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:37 PM

38. Caught that on the Evening News via ABC.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:02 PM

13. Yes, unless Trump jumps the gun to fire Rosenstein.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:03 PM

31. The problem may be that he cannot find anyone to take the job or could be confirmed?

What would happen if he were fired? Either the person above him or below him in position would take over for Rosenstein. If Sessions continued to recuse himself from the Russia investigation, then he would not qualify to take over the investigation from Rosenstein, so it would then fall in the lap to the person just below Rosenstein in rank. I don't know who that would be unless it would be the gentleman that was photographed coming out of a dinner, at some fancy restaurant, with Sessions and Rosenstein?

I have not heard further news.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 2, 2018, 03:51 AM

41. Ironically, that letter by Democrats to the next 3 or 4 in line at the DOJ

Last week, may give the reassurance they need, but if one of them doesn't give a guarantee on protecting Mueller, that give the green light to Trump.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:46 PM

26. this is my feeling as well

we keep hearing mueller is expanding the probe looknig at more and more avenues. i think it is all stalling. he has the goods to put drumpf way from life without needing to look at every deal he has ever done. but with traitors in control of congress, mueller's work is all for not if congress just looks at it and says "nothing to see here".

so we have no choice but to suffer through at least 1 more year of drumpf.

our government is so beyond broken by this monsters.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:21 PM

3. Who wants to be the last US solider to die or be wounded in Syria, when

we already know that Dirty Donny* & his republican cabal have announced their decision to go totally Velveeta-scarfing SurrenderMonkey?

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:39 PM

5. Mueller is not going to be rushed.

He is a serious professional and doesn't play politics. Most pundits agree that the investigation will go into 2019 since there is still more stuff coming to light (like Cam Analytica, campaign funds, Facebook) that he needs to investigate thoroughly and that takes time. Also, if Kushner was using his position to secure loans from foreign countries (who are using him for political strategies) then Mueller will be looking into that too.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:43 PM

7. Also, he is working with the knowledge that Trump will do anything to get rid of him.

And Trump would need the Republican leadership behind him in order to get rid of Mueller. Up to this point, he has not been successful, but the threat is always there.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:02 PM

14. I don't believe he is close.

 

I believe he is THERE. Now he is trying to make his case air tight.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:04 PM

15. And Donald knows it?

That would explain his behavior, in my opinion.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:17 PM

34. Donald knows he is dirty...

 

That's why he was calling he personal finances a red line. He was in deep with th eRussians laundering money and they have that over his head.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:25 PM

21. Every breath he takes, every move he makes, is an elaborate kabuki theater

He's an actor playing the part of president. He has no moral compass; he has taken up with a group that supports him (Republicans) and understands polling well enough that he can get away with whatever he wants in our current divisive state. He further coupled this cover by teaming with Russia, knowing (like McConnell did vis a vis Obama) that he could deflect any accusations as being dirty politics by Democrats. He has the media (read propaganda) network to cover his every move and deflect and even lie about reality.

This is what happens when the media is allowed to morph into an entertainment/opinion mode without being forced to adhere to the truth or to disclaim the true nature of their "reporting". This is what happens when Americans' pressure points are identified and exploited by that media. We were an easy target. I guess First Amendment rights become useless when facts are deemed opinion and opinions are deemed to be facts, and no one has time in their busy days to differentiate the two.

I hope that Mueller can help save us from mortal damage, but let's face it, we'd only be kicking the can down the road. You see exactly who your neighbors are in the light of this debacle, and they're not going anywhere, and they're not getting educated and they'll be duped, again, quite readily, in the future.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:42 PM

23. Everybody knows this is Nowhere.



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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:29 PM

22. Been almost a year now

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:44 PM

25. He started in May of last year?

As I recall?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:47 PM

27. Yes, that sounds about right

 

So we are in month 11-12.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:43 PM

24. I think he already has him

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Response to Skittles (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:12 PM

33. Do you think Donald is looking for an "escape route"?

He's begging to be fired.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:23 PM

35. I think Mueller sees Trump as small potatoes now.

I believe it is the larger case of Russia buying our politicians (mostly GOP), via money laundering and backroom deals that Mueller is on the trail of now. Taking Trump out does eliminate the real threat to our democracy. If I'm right about that, then Mueller has to play this very, very carefully.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:03 PM

37. I have long thought that Trump was probably the major conduit in the world for money-laundering...

...and was very close to the money of several Russian oligarchs.

The first deal to catch my eye was when he bought a "mansion" in Florida for about $40 million and sold it to a Russian for about $90 million. And he has over 500 LLCs throughout the world, which the public does not know what they are used for? Perhaps Mueller knows?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 1, 2018, 08:46 PM

39. I'll bet Mueller knows. But what does he know about Ryan, McConnell et. al.?

Citizen's United may well have allowed Russia to begin to take over the U.S.A. without firing a shot. And to be frank, I was worried about the possibility of foreign governements buying our politicians when CU was decided. At that time I was worried about China. Silly me.

If I'm right (and I do hope I'm wrong), then Mueller and his team has to find every bit of this cancer, and expose it all, so we can as a society act appropriately with laws and regulations to guard the vote and prevent foreign manipulation of our democracy.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:57 AM

42. Interesting analogy:

There is a cancer within our government and Mueller cannot stop his "operation" until it has been completely removed.

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