NYT conservative rips evangelicals: 'Stormy isn't a shock to that culture - it's a representation...

[DonViejo]

NYT conservative rips evangelicals: ‘Stormy Daniels isn’t a shock to that culture — it’s a representation of it’

TOM BOGGIONI
27 MAR 2018 AT 11:36 ET

In a back and forth on the New York Times editorial page, conservative columnist Bret Stephens trashed the “institutional Christian right” for remaining in bed with President Donald Trump despite credible revelations that he had an affair with adult film star Stormy Daniels.

Taking part in the conversation with liberal Gail Collins, Stephens was asked what to make of the sex scandal that, if it involved a Democrat, would have Christian conservatives up and arms and moving towards impeachment, as was the case with former President Bill Clinton.

“Did you find the Stormy Daniels interview sort of … boring? I did, and it seems like a tribute to Donald Trump that I could be listening to a woman talking about how she swatted his rear end with a magazine that had his picture on the front and think, ‘Well, at least he had underwear on,'” Collins wrote before adding, “It’s just that we now have a president whose sleaze rating is so high it’s hard to get shocked by anything.” Stephens agreed before accusing Christians of hypocrisy.

“Exactly. It’s boring because nothing about this president scandalizes us anymore,” Stephens wrote. “I can remember when news of Bill Clinton’s alleged affair with Gennifer Flowers broke when he was running for president in 1992. Conservatives erupted: The man was not fit to sit in the Oval Office!”

“Nowadays it’s a different story,” Stephen’s continued. “Right-wing political culture, including the institutional Christian right, has been pornogrified. The Stormy Daniels affair isn’t a shock to that culture; it’s a representation of it. This is the bed conservatives made, so to speak, when they adopted Trump as one of their own, so they shouldn’t be surprised by anyone who turns up in there with them.”

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[spanone]

1. K&R...

[Achilleaze]

2. republican evangelicals have disgraced themselves

before heaven and earth. No morals. Sheer hypocrisy.

[DetlefK]

3. "Right-wing political culture has been pornogrified." I'm gonna steal that one.

[TlalocW]

4. I've taken a different tack with Trump's diddling

From the Clinton era - It's not the actual affair, but his lying about it, and what am I supposed to tell my kids?

Remember those? The latter was everywhere. Clinton getting a beej meant the innocence of every child was automatically gone whether the parents actually explained what happened or not because there's always going to be that one kid on the playground who knows exactly what it means and will be very happy to tell others.

I used that argument on a conservative friend, reminded him about how the right was all concerned about kids but now they don't care. It's all about protecting Trump, not innocent children, and I directly asked him, "What am I supposed to tell my kid?" He tried stuttering out some BS, which I called him on, and he eventually couldn't come up with anything.

Twenty seconds later: Hey! You don't have kids!

TlalocW

[Marcuse]

5. Exhibit B

‘Cuse me while I whip this out.

[Merlot]

9. "Does this toy gun make my hand look big?"

[Paladin]

6. Que David Brooks to dump out yet another NYT column.....

....demanding that we high-falutin' elitist liberals drop to our knees and sexually service the trumpian hordes, to make them think better of us.

[Perseus]

7. Yes & No

"Conservatives" and "Christians" will be up in arms again if a Democrat shows the same immoral character as the man-child and his family, they are very "flexible" when it comes to power, they are a bunch of hypocrites who will move as their interests demand. They have no soul or principles, no dignity or shame, they are definitely SWAMP people.

Although I did not agree with Hillary saying it, and I did not agree with it because it was not politically correct and would make it difficult for her to win over those people, but they truly are deplorable. I am convinced that they don't believe anything they preach, that their religious beliefs are phony but they know that religion sells and brings people together, the more guilt you can throw on the "disciples" the harder you grab them, the more they contribute to your church the richer you get.

One "sin" that always gets me rattled when I hear about it is the "Original Sin" that kids are supposed to be born with...Imagine that, you show your face to the World and you are immediately charged with a sin, and nothing you can do about it until you grow up and realize what a bunch of bull the whole thing is...

[lutherj]

8. I think there is a simple explanation for their hypocrisy. Christianity isnt their core belief

system. Their core belief system is a kind of primitive patriarchal authoritarianism. Christianity simply provides a rigid social structure that reinforces their authority. But the grand patriarch isn’t subject to the niceties of social conformity. In fact, flouting the moral norms is not only the privilege of the patriarch, it’s how you identify him. Think of King David and his palace full of concubines. That’s why they give both Trump and Moore and others like him a pass. That’s also why men like Trump and Harvey Weinstein and all the others go through life serially assaulting women. They think it’s their earned privilege, their “droit du seigneur”. But Bill Clinton never qualified in their eyes as a patriarchal figure. They saw him as a smug smart-ass liberal, and the whole agenda of liberalism is to undermine traditional patriarchal systems, by means of equal rights for race, sex, orientation, etc. So when Bill Clinton was caught with his pants down the evangelical crowd saw it as a chance to unmask him for the charlatan they knew him to be.