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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTomorrow night, at this time, will we feel enlightened, shocked or disappointed
Given that there is a game on, before 60 Minutes, I'm figuring the show will be delayed.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,587 posts)heavily hyped but nothing there. But I kind of think it will be at least interesting, if not earth-shattering.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)If she doesn't come up with something about being threatened or some revelation about how the payments were illegal, this will be a bust in my opinion. I really don't care to hear any details of their sick relationship.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The money went to her lawyers trust account, and he cut a check from that. I often receive settlements for clients. If it goes into the account, where it came from is none of my concern.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You are asking what she has to expose? A lot. Try a google image search.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and apostrophes not appearing when using an Apple device.
It is an extremely humorous situation, and would be embarrassing for anyone but trump.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)will hurt him politically, or with his base. Even the so-called non racists will still find an excuse to support him
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Jarqui
(10,122 posts)Her lawyer posturing with the DVD suggests a limited disclosure during the interview
I'm sure it will generate some headlines but I doubt much substance
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)I don't doubt it's possible there are photos or videos, but I also don't think it is probable. And anyway, it's impossible to shame the shameless.
The salacious won't get rid of him. What I'm hoping for is something more along the lines of campaign improprieties or something else that might involve potential legal involvement.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,587 posts)Maybe she secretly videoed Cohen coercing her to sign the NDA. I don't think it will be dick pics - at least, I hope not.
Jarqui
(10,122 posts)ie like threats, they're probably fair game for her to disclose publicly.
A threat may be illegal depending on the type of threat. You cannot contract for something illegal.
That is an interesting point: if he tried to pay her for sex like he did Karen McDougal (who claims she declined the money) and Stormy accepted the money, that may be prostitution and you cannot contract to not disclose a crime. The NDA could not cover that. So Stormy could talk about the so-called crime if that were the case - long past the statute of limitations.
What it feels like is Stormy's attorney is baiting Trump - trying to get him to respond - because once he does, the NDA probably falls apart. So the 60 minutes interview will reveal as much as they can to try to get Trump to take the bait - or force a response.
If Trump starts tweeting about it, something meaningful is likely to come out.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,587 posts)So far Trump's lawyers have managed to keep him from tweeting something that could blow up the whole contract, but they can't watch him 24-7. I really hope he has a twitter fit about the whole thing because Avenatti will pounce on him like a hungry leopard on a slow, stupid antelope.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Neither of the situations you describe are prostitution.
If you offer your Tinder hookup some money for cabfare home after sex, the sex was not premised on the payment. Gifts are still legal.
And, no, there is no post facto prostitution by which an NDA payment some 12 years later renders the sex to have been prostitution. Trumps partners may have received all kinds of gifts and travel expenses, but those are just that.
If you think that any payment which is somehow related to sex as prostitution, then Im not sure what you make of an adult film performance. That is payment for acting, not sex. The sex is all an entertainment performance.
Jarqui
(10,122 posts)it becomes her word against his. Her lawyer might run with it - particularly in the wake him him trying to pay Karen McDougal. Karen was upset because his attempted payment made her feel like a hooker.
I'm playing Devil's advocate in terms of an opening for Stormy and her lawyer. Trump is not necessarily on solid ground there. Stormy is a porn star who has sex with actors on film. Trump is married. They did not know each other. If he throws a bunch of money at her after sex, it gets murky.
Now, maybe like Karen, Stormy would prefer not to be made out to be a hooker in the national media - that's probably the case. Just saying a lawyer may find an opening to exploit there if they want to go down that path.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There is nothing to be had with your peculiar definition of prostitution. Neither offering a gift after sex nor paying for an NDA are any form of prostitution whatsoever in any state.
Jarqui
(10,122 posts)"Neither offering a gift after sex nor paying for an NDA are any form of prostitution whatsoever in any state."
they were.
I agree that that is probably what happened. However ...
.. when sex with a stranger happens and more than cab fare gets exchanged, her lawyer might spin it into claiming something else. It becomes his word against hers. How does Trump disprove it? Now, remember, we're talking the balance of probabilities in civil law - not beyond reasonable doubt in criminal law. If she has a video of her receiving a wad of cash from Trump, Trump might have a real problem on his hands - that his NDA won't be able to keep quiet.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But Im fascinated with your belief that it would make any substantive difference to anything relevant in either legal action.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)It's just an interview about her relationship. Not really sure what bombshell info she could give that anyone is really that shocked by.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)The only thing that makes me wonder is that they have waited so long to air this segment. Documentation of threats wouldn't be all that surprising. And trump* not tweeting out insults against Stormy is another odd bit. But, again, even if CBS knows it's a notorious 'nothing burger', it would probably look worse if they didn't air it, at all.
I guess we will all know, soon enough.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)brettdale
(12,364 posts)The March for our lives thing is the big news story of the weekend, there must be a plan
to get out the youth vote, if it succeeds the house and the senate will go to the democrats.
In terms of the Stormy dainels interview, I think this is going to be our Al Capone Vault moment.
It will be a massive letdown, there will be no shock, there will be no evidence, it will be Stormy
making more allegations but with no photographic/video proof, there will be nothing of concern
to Trump.
The big shock moment of it, Im guessing will be video of her lie dector test, but thats it.
I think effects need to be put into getting out the youth vote, and fingers crossed that
Mueller finds something.
The Stormy interview will be nothing.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She took that test when she did an interview with InTouch or some similar publication, back in 2011. Pieces of that interview have been floating around for years.
Plus, her Make America Horny Again tour performances have been billed to include live action re-enactments of parts of it.
These descriptions are out there, for the curious.
bigtree
(85,975 posts)...give it a fucking minute before smothering it with cynicism.
This sort of skepticism just plays into the hands of demagogues. Watch this thread for the boobirds.
Apparently casual discourse is not on the menu, tonight.
...'casual discourse'
Good one.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)Still not clear on the problem, but that's ok. It's been a long day and I'm too tired to try to figure it out.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)with their eyes wide open, according to their own statements, knowing who and what he was; a thrice married serial philanderer, and a liar. Now they want the opportunity to tell their own story in their own way. There was a time when such tawdry behavior would have been kept under wraps, rather than a platform sought in which to air all their dirty laundry. I have no desire to watch. No one comes out of this sordid affair with any dignity intact.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)Waiting 10 years to present the NDA - ok that, no doubt, had to do with the campaign, so I'm assuming others were approached, too. How many - who knows.
How would I make sense of the relatively small payoff. Volume? Undue pressure via threats?
I know that may seem like a weird way to view this situation, but it's a habit I developed, over the years. Maybe I hang around with too many writers
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)But . . . she was probably just happy to get the money.
However, the screen rights to her story would be worth far more. Strange that she accepted so little.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You're looking at it through an incorrect lens I'm afraid ... if he's "Trump, Failed Candidate" nobody gives a crap about her story and she'd never get 140K to tell it to anyone.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)But as for the amount offered, wasn't it reported in Wolfe's book that Bannon stated something about them paying off 'around 100' women? $100,000 here, $100,000 there, and we are starting to talk about big bucks. Bannon didn't dispute that statement.
I have no idea how much money porn stars make, but I gather from everything I've read, she is pretty well known.
Which is why, in my TOTALLY fictional take off on the story, I would write about some nefarious reason such a relatively low pay off was accepted.
Who knows - this whole situation may have just re-stimulated my imagination and lifted me out of my writing slump!
janx
(24,128 posts)after the consensual, sexual relationship, it does matter.
I don't care who was diddling whom when it comes to a world leader, but I do care if people were threatened as a result.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)I doubt tomorrow will be any different.
I'm hoping to sleep like a baby the day he is out of office, in prison or dead. Whichever comes first.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I get lucky once in a while.
MFM008
(19,803 posts).......
dembotoz
(16,785 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,373 posts)Siwsan
(26,249 posts)Iggo
(47,534 posts)spanone
(135,791 posts)perhaps she'll reveal who threatened her....cohen?
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)Although I thought he claimed he hasn't been in contact with her. This has dragged on for so long, I'm actually starting to lose the thread! Her lawyer is going to be on 'The View' on Monday, so if this is a big piece of nothing, he will have to be on his best game to deal with that panel.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Freethinker65
(9,999 posts)Today's March was more important
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)Our weather could have been a little warmer and less windy, but there was a good, enthusiastic crowd. I wish my back had behaved so I could have stayed longer, but such is life.
brettdale
(12,364 posts)We will know, if its nothing, I think this could hurt Cooper's career, he will
be torn a new one on social media.
ecstatic
(32,652 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)He will try to keep every station from reporting about it by firing Mueller or Sessions or maybe bombing something. Just like the McMasters firing took eyes of the other woman testifying about and affair.
There is a game on alright.
brettdale
(12,364 posts)If cbs has something damaging. I think its just an interview.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Stormy Daniels is making a laughing stock of Donald Trump.
When all is said and done, she is a woman, nothing more, nothing less.
She is not the love of his life. She is not the mother of his children. She is not his help-meet. She meant very little to him, and he to her.
And that is why Trump's relationship with Stormy Daniels makes a joke of Trump.
It shows how shallow he is.
Of course, the 60 Minutes program will not reveal any amazing secrets.
The fact is that Donald Trump risked his relationship with his wife, Melania, to sleep with women who meant realtively little to him.
He is a shallow, ridiculous man. There isn't much to him, and that is why people will be laughing at him after the 60 Minutes show tomorrow.
orleans
(34,040 posts)"we will now join the program already in progress" crap.
they did that on saturday with a basketball game
Skittles
(153,111 posts)no, I won't be tuning in
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)I can't remember if he was working on a project (he worked at the 20th Century Fox movie studio) or if he was there getting a coffee and she was working on a project but my brother is very gregarious and they somehow realized that they both worked in 'the business', albeit in very different branches.
When this story broke he immediately recognized her. He said they had a really pleasant conversation about the film business, in general, and that she was very nice, quite smart, and beyond up front about what she did for a living.
As for me, at this point, my curiosity is more about the circumstances than the individuals involved. I plead guilty to my desperation to learn there is something out that than can take him out of office is taking priority over my usual standards. And I have little doubt I will be disappointed.
LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)will be related to threats that she received.
I'm not looking for any details concerning the sex...I don't think too many people would be shocked or surprised about anything that is said in that regard.
I think they have proof of something that happened concerning threats to her physical well-being.
brettdale
(12,364 posts)Has to be proof of threats.
If your right and its proof of threats, then wow.
LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)The confidence of her lawyer makes me believe they have either video or audio of a heinous threat.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)It's not the seedier stuff that I'm concerned with than any possible conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws by Trump and his lawyers.
I'm sure that Mueller's people will be on the look out for that.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)The salacious bits are pretty boring, at this point. The immorality of cheating on another wife is trump*'s business. The illegalities, if there are any, are our business.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,153 posts)The matter of the payoff is interesting to me but everything else I honestly couldnt care less about.
Mainly because Im really not in the mood to think about Donald Trump having sex.
The day before the Mueller report gets issued in an entirely different story altogether.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)And not in a good way. He seems to be very concerned about how he is viewed, and very delusional about the reality. This stain will be carried on my his name.
I was just thinking about Barron, and how sadly lacking he is in good male role models.