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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDershowitz op-ed: SUSPEND Mueller investigation, have Congress appoint "nonpartisan" commission
Op-ed from Dershowitz at The Hill this morning:
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/379372-trump-is-right-the-special-counsel-should-never-have-been-appointed
The right way would have been (and still is) to appoint a nonpartisan investigative commission, such as the one appointed following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, to conduct a broad and open investigation of the Russian involvement in our elections. This is what other democracies, such as Great Britain and Israel, do in response to systemic problems. The virtue of such a commission is precisely the nonpartisan credibility of its objective experts, who have no political stake in the outcome.
Such a commission could have informed the American public of what Russia did and how to prevent it from doing it again. It would not seek partisan benefit from its findings, the way congressional committees invariably do. Nor would it be searching for crimes in an effort to criminalize political sins, the way special counsels do to justify their existence and budget. Its only job would be to gather information and make recommendations.
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The public has lost faith in the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI. They dont trust congressional investigative committees. They dont know whom to believe when they hear conflicting accounts. There are leaks galore followed by denials of leaks. Its a total mess. And what do we have to show for it? Just a handful of low-level indictments based largely on alleged crimes that are either unrelated or only marginally related to Russias attempt to influence our presidential election in 2016.
Its not too late to try to repair some of the damage done. Let Congress now appoint a nonpartisan commission to conduct a transparent investigation of Russias efforts to influence our elections. Let the special counsel suspend his investigation until the nonpartisan commission issues its report. If the report identifies crimes and criminals, there will be time enough to indict and prosecute. Right now, we need the nonpartisan truth, because we arent getting it from the special counsel.
Yeah, just toss out all the work Mueller's done so far, the case he's building. And pretend this GOP-dominated Congress would be capable of appointing a "nonpartisan" commission. And make sure nothing at all is done, no crimes revealed, until after the mid-terms.
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Like the House Intel Committee
highplainsdem
(48,973 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)This is from a non partisan faux news paid talking head.
Cha
(297,163 posts)racistrump bootlicker.
brucefan
(1,549 posts)STFU!
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)His reputation never recovered from his work assisting with the OJ defense. He was sidelined by his colleagues and must have figured out the only way to get attention was by being an asshole.
janterry
(4,429 posts)Dershowitz really went off the rails - a long time ago.
I never see a reason to listen to him, I'm afraid. I don't know why he went 'so wrong' in his career. It's a shame -
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,008 posts)There's a million lawyers. Not all of them are geniuses. That would be so improbable that we could safely say impossible.
His brilliant legal mind is rooted in some major way to his being one of the first recognizable lawyer experts on cable news from back in the 80's
Just remember, Scalia was supposed to be a brilliant jurist, and his mind was able to accept originalism, which is about as simple minded a concept as one could embrace.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)What is his motivation?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)to the Supreme Court
tanyev
(42,552 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)agingdem
(7,849 posts)The fool wants a job in the White House...perhaps another incompetent has-been addition to the Trump legal team?
dem4decades
(11,283 posts)blake2012
(1,294 posts)Nobody cares what your bought and paid for self has to say, you slime.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)that Mueller is a REPUBLICAN?
Yeah, he's entitled to his opinion but really? WTF.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)For free.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Every possible vehicle for getting to the bottom of this should be exploited.
i just posted here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10388996
19 people have been charged and at least three have pleaded guilty
So Mr Mueller has turned up crimes related to this.
Add in the recent Cambridge Analytica revelations with Bannon & the Mercer's behind that.
We need all the bright lights we can bring to bear on this to get all these cockroaches to scurry away from stealing America's democracy.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)There is no way Trump or the Republicans would do it.
VMA131Marine
(4,138 posts)He seems sort of reasonable until this:
"The public has lost faith in the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI. They dont trust congressional investigative committees. They dont know whom to believe when they hear conflicting accounts. There are leaks galore followed by denials of leaks. Its a total mess. And what do we have to show for it? Just a handful of low-level indictments based largely on alleged crimes that are either unrelated or only marginally related to Russias attempt to influence our presidential election in 2016. "
1/ The Trump base may not support the Justice Department but they are not a majority of the country
2/ Congress' approval has been abysmal for a long time. The poor ratings did not start with the investigation
3/ What leaks? Mueller's investigation has been almost defined by how few unintentional leaks there have been. There has been a lot of speculation in the media about what Mueller's team is up to but it's not based on much but educated guesses.
4/ Manafort and Flynn are not low level indictments! And Flynn pleaded guilty! And Mueller isn't done yet!
5/ All crimes are alleged until proved beyond a reasonable doubt in court.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)Through Cambridge Analytica's data theft, microtargeting, and re-framing, Trumpy has flooded the airwaves with falsehoods about the FBI and the DoJ. And Dershowitz legitimizes the propaganda because of its effectiveness. This guy's a shill for Putin, Russia, and a collapsing US government.
ck4829
(35,069 posts)global1
(25,242 posts)And the reason the public doesn't trust congressional committees and don't know whom to believe is because the conflicting accounts they are hearing are coming from Trump, Trump's people and the Repugs - like Nunes. They want this investigation to look like a 'total mess'.
Of course we don't have much to show for it yet - because Mueller hasn't finished his job yet. It seems that every stone he overturns he finds additional crimes or corruption. He's like peeling back an onion and with every layer - there is more to investigate.
Right now there might be low-level indictments - but there is a number of sealed indictments also - that we don't have knowledge of. The low-level indictments are out there to get the low-levelers to turn on those at the top. Mueller has had success at turning those people - with the guilty pleas he was able to obtain.
So for Dershowitz to make these comments - he's only contributing to the confusion and further adding to the public's mistrust in the process.
This is not a time to abandon all that Mueller has accomplished and start all over. I think Dershowitz is looking for Trump to hire him on to add to Trump's cadre of lawyers.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)House Intelligence Committee Nunes heads, because that worked out real well.
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)Dershowitz, you've lost me.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Dershowitz is not only putting the cart before the horse, he's calling it a "cart-drawn horse."
bigtree
(85,992 posts)...being done too thoroughly for some's taste, evidently, judging from this fool's op-ed.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)just a publicity whore.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)we investigate and charge all criminal activity as appropriate. BOTH/AND - not either/or.
kentuck
(111,082 posts)It's not a "systemic problem". It is a probable criminal problem. There is no simple change to be made as recommended by a "commission". The change had to be made by the rule of law. No one is above the law. Just ask Joseph DiGenova.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,721 posts)But isnt the Mueller investigation non-partisan? I believe the F.B.I. is an apolitical entity so in that regard is my assumption correct?
LuvLoogie
(6,995 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Freethinker65
(10,015 posts)Mueller is non-partisan and so are FACTS.
Trump and the GOP enablers want the facts obscured and buried. They will change the direction and scope and waste time and resources going after Obama, both Clintons, and anyone/everyone but Trumps campaign and Russia.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,731 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,982 posts)Trump's involvement with Dershowitz's own buddy, convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein.
Hobo
(757 posts)GFY that is all
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)commission but the scumbag Republicans refused.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)propaganda are in a self sustaining alternate reality where this bullshit is echoed and supported.
The 40% will believe the lie. Mueller is Republican, as are most others on staff. The only people making this investigation partisan are the ones claiming it is. Saying it is so doesn't supersede facts, but that is all the Trumpanzees need. A flimsy pretext that fits their manufactured narrative.
TREASON.
mackdaddy
(1,526 posts)"Alan Dershowitz tried to discredit girl who accused Jeffrey Epstein of rape "
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/08/alan-dershowitz-girl-jeffrey-epstein-teenager
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)with Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and Ben Nelson representing the Democrats.
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kentuck
(111,082 posts)...for one thing.
DFW
(54,365 posts)Any prosecutor pursuing a case with high-profile perps that have a lot of time and money invested in obscuring evidence is going to meet with a lot of headwinds. The closer Mueller gets to an indictment, the more effort will be brought to concealing evidence that makes a conviction likely.
Mueller is a pro, and knows that bringing an indictment that has little chance of a conviction is a useless effort. He therefore tracks down his evidence methodically, and in the face of whatever obstruction can be carried out without being blatant enough to warrant its own indictment.
Even Nixon resigned before an indictment (in the case of a sitting president, an impeachment) could be brought. That doesn't mean it wasn't coming. It only meant the methodical work of the investigators hadn't yet been wrapped up. As you recall, plenty of Nixon's henchmen ended up doing time--not right away, and not on anyone's timetable. But one after another, they DID go away.
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DFW
(54,365 posts)That's sort of like asking like asking the Nazis to appoint a non-partisan commission to investigate the Holocaust.
Come one, Alan, we may be stupid, but we're not catatonic.
ExciteBike66
(2,341 posts)"Right now, we need the nonpartisan truth, because we arent getting it from the special counsel."
Technically we haven't gotten anything from the special counsel yet, which is by design. Not sure what Dersh is complaining about here...
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)oasis
(49,378 posts)The Barnes&Noble markdown tables are waiting.
still_one
(92,174 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)recommendations to do something to protect us in the future. When Mueller gets to the bottom of things - our people who were involved - will be indicted/prosecuted.
What's missing is that nothing is being done to protect against it in the future. On the other hand, maybe getting rid of Trump and all his sleazy connections will solve it.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)mueller is a lifelong republican who has performed his duties is the most bi-partisian manner as any one who has ever served their country. For Dershowitz to suggest otherwise is clearly a hack attempt on derailing the investigation into trump courruption AND russian involvement in our election.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)The Hill will publish anyone with a pulse.
This fucker Alan D is a crazy loony hasbeen. Leave him a nice message with the ridicule he deserves and move on. He's not worth your time.
spanone
(135,828 posts)highplainsdem
(48,973 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Trump always gets another chance, then turns on those who give it to him.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Hes basically saying that the DOJ, FBI and all of our other law enforcement entities have been politicized, so Congress should create a non-partisan commission. The fucking Republican Congress. Right. Asshole.
Hes right up there with tRump, doing Putins bidding by tearing down our institutions and seeding mistrust among the American people.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I can't believe how many buy into this being a partisan witch hunt. It's is literally impossible. Perhaps one of the dumbest aspects of all of this since Trump was made President is how they still act like we made all these decisions lol. It's crazy, and tens of millions of Americans buy into it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Your idea is nothing but covering for a traitorous degenerate which since you already defended murderer OJ, shouldn't surprise anyone.
ananda
(28,858 posts)Way too late for that.