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highplainsdem

(48,973 posts)
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:07 AM Mar 2018

Dershowitz op-ed: SUSPEND Mueller investigation, have Congress appoint "nonpartisan" commission

Op-ed from Dershowitz at The Hill this morning:

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/379372-trump-is-right-the-special-counsel-should-never-have-been-appointed



President Trump is right in saying that a special counsel should never have been appointed to investigate the so-called Russian connection. There was no evidence of any crime committed by the Trump administration. But there was plenty of evidence that Russian operatives had tried to interfere with the 2016 presidential election, and perhaps other elections, in the hope of destabilizing democracy. Yet, appointing a special counsel to look for crimes, behind the closed doors of a grand jury, was precisely the wrong way to address this ongoing challenge to our democracy.

The right way would have been (and still is) to appoint a nonpartisan investigative commission, such as the one appointed following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, to conduct a broad and open investigation of the Russian involvement in our elections. This is what other democracies, such as Great Britain and Israel, do in response to systemic problems. The virtue of such a commission is precisely the nonpartisan credibility of its objective experts, who have no political stake in the outcome.

Such a commission could have informed the American public of what Russia did and how to prevent it from doing it again. It would not seek partisan benefit from its findings, the way congressional committees invariably do. Nor would it be searching for crimes in an effort to criminalize political sins, the way special counsels do to justify their existence and budget. Its only job would be to gather information and make recommendations.

-snip-

The public has lost faith in the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI. They don’t trust congressional investigative committees. They don’t know whom to believe when they hear conflicting accounts. There are leaks galore followed by denials of leaks. It’s a total mess. And what do we have to show for it? Just a handful of low-level indictments based largely on alleged crimes that are either unrelated or only marginally related to Russia’s attempt to influence our presidential election in 2016.

It’s not too late to try to repair some of the damage done. Let Congress now appoint a nonpartisan commission to conduct a transparent investigation of Russia’s efforts to influence our elections. Let the special counsel suspend his investigation until the nonpartisan commission issues its report. If the report identifies crimes and criminals, there will be time enough to indict and prosecute. Right now, we need the nonpartisan truth, because we aren’t getting it from the special counsel.




Yeah, just toss out all the work Mueller's done so far, the case he's building. And pretend this GOP-dominated Congress would be capable of appointing a "nonpartisan" commission. And make sure nothing at all is done, no crimes revealed, until after the mid-terms.
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Dershowitz op-ed: SUSPEND Mueller investigation, have Congress appoint "nonpartisan" commission (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2018 OP
Yeah non partisan commission Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #1
Exactly. highplainsdem Mar 2018 #2
New big myth is that this is not partisan. chelsea0011 Mar 2018 #3
Mueller is a repub.. you fucking moron. Cha Mar 2018 #4
Brucefan op-ed brucefan Mar 2018 #5
Dershowitz lost the plot a long time ago. madaboutharry Mar 2018 #6
For such a smart man janterry Mar 2018 #7
Seems like AD's found his place in the dustbin. Nt Anon-C Mar 2018 #43
Anyone can be bought and Dershowitz was paid his price. democratisphere Mar 2018 #53
I Believe His "Intelligence" Has LONG Been Overstated ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #65
What is up with Dershowitz? exboyfil Mar 2018 #8
To get the heat off Trump. octoberlib Mar 2018 #18
He wants to be appointed Solomon Mar 2018 #49
Let me guess--non-partisan means mostly Republican and a couple token compliant Democrats. tanyev Mar 2018 #9
They're using Dershowitz to give the republican president his marching orders? Squinch Mar 2018 #10
Was he ever a decent lawyer? agingdem Mar 2018 #11
He's despicable. dem4decades Mar 2018 #12
Fuck you, Dershowitz. You are compromised blake2012 Mar 2018 #13
Has anyone told Mr. Dershowitz Bettie Mar 2018 #14
Dershowitz also defended OJ. PubliusEnigma Mar 2018 #15
America's democracy is being questioned Jarqui Mar 2018 #16
I'm pretty sure that the president would have to sign on to that. RDANGELO Mar 2018 #17
Utter bullshit from Dershowitz VMA131Marine Mar 2018 #19
Dershowitz frames propaganda as truth, then makes his case. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #37
Can you really expect anything else from a torture apologist and who attacked black lives matter? ck4829 Mar 2018 #20
Dershowitz Doesn't Know What Mueller Knows Or Has Found..... global1 Mar 2018 #21
Would that be non partisan like the Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #22
"Nonpartisan". LOL Goodheart Mar 2018 #23
............... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #24
"There was no evidence of any crime committed by the Trump administration." VOX Mar 2018 #25
everything he says he wants and needs is being done by Mueller bigtree Mar 2018 #26
Dershowitz is, and has always been HopeAgain Mar 2018 #27
Repubs dont get the concept of BOTH/AND- we do the nonpartisan thing to prevent future problem AND Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 2018 #28
What a naive old cod! kentuck Mar 2018 #29
Excuse me for showing my ignorance... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2018 #30
Someone east of here has the goods on that guy. LuvLoogie Mar 2018 #31
Overrated rightwing whore dalton99a Mar 2018 #32
Like the voter commission 1 token democrat Historic NY Mar 2018 #33
Appointed by who? Trump? Impartial Nunes? Haha Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #34
What a pantsload. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #35
Dershowitz is desperate to stop Mueller before Mueller drills down to 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2018 #36
Really? Alan Dershowitz? Hobo Mar 2018 #38
Perhaps Douchebagowitz has forgotten that we were pushing for this independent Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #39
The most infuriating, poisonous thing about this is that the targets for this poboy2 Mar 2018 #40
Hey Dershowitz, How is your buddy Jeffrey Epstein doing? mackdaddy Mar 2018 #41
sure, non partisan commission NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #44
It would buy time for Trump... kentuck Mar 2018 #48
Mueller is a Republican. The Midterms are not his focus. DFW Mar 2018 #54
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #57
Asking the most partisan Republican Congress ever to appoint a non-partisan comission DFW Mar 2018 #45
Dersh says something dumb: ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #46
Democrats wanted an independent commission last year, no go........so screw him. Thomas Hurt Mar 2018 #47
Dipshit-o-wit needs to get busy working on another non-fiction dud. oasis Mar 2018 #50
Let's not kid ourselves, Dershowitz is part of trump's legal team, and is also an asshole still_one Mar 2018 #51
Well, there's part of this makes sense to me. 9-11 commission made Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2018 #52
what pics does Putin have on Al? Or is he finally in full dementia? beachbum bob Mar 2018 #55
By now you guys should know awesomerwb1 Mar 2018 #56
Comedy Gold... spanone Mar 2018 #58
Agree. highplainsdem Mar 2018 #66
Trump apologists always want do-overs. Orsino Mar 2018 #59
Disgusting asshole. stopbush Mar 2018 #60
God damn this is stupid Bradical79 Mar 2018 #61
Fuck you, Dersh leftynyc Mar 2018 #62
Lol. Is Dersh trying to be relevant again? ananda Mar 2018 #63
K&R! nt Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #64

madaboutharry

(40,209 posts)
6. Dershowitz lost the plot a long time ago.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:12 AM
Mar 2018

His reputation never recovered from his work assisting with the OJ defense. He was sidelined by his colleagues and must have figured out the only way to get attention was by being an asshole.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
7. For such a smart man
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:12 AM
Mar 2018

Dershowitz really went off the rails - a long time ago.

I never see a reason to listen to him, I'm afraid. I don't know why he went 'so wrong' in his career. It's a shame -

ProfessorGAC

(65,008 posts)
65. I Believe His "Intelligence" Has LONG Been Overstated
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 11:00 AM
Mar 2018

There's a million lawyers. Not all of them are geniuses. That would be so improbable that we could safely say impossible.

His brilliant legal mind is rooted in some major way to his being one of the first recognizable lawyer experts on cable news from back in the 80's

Just remember, Scalia was supposed to be a brilliant jurist, and his mind was able to accept originalism, which is about as simple minded a concept as one could embrace.

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
11. Was he ever a decent lawyer?
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:14 AM
Mar 2018

The fool wants a job in the White House...perhaps another incompetent has-been addition to the Trump legal team?

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
13. Fuck you, Dershowitz. You are compromised
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:14 AM
Mar 2018

Nobody cares what your bought and paid for self has to say, you slime.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
14. Has anyone told Mr. Dershowitz
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:15 AM
Mar 2018

that Mueller is a REPUBLICAN?

Yeah, he's entitled to his opinion but really? WTF.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
16. America's democracy is being questioned
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:18 AM
Mar 2018

Every possible vehicle for getting to the bottom of this should be exploited.

i just posted here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10388996

19 people have been charged and at least three have pleaded guilty

So Mr Mueller has turned up crimes related to this.

Add in the recent Cambridge Analytica revelations with Bannon & the Mercer's behind that.

We need all the bright lights we can bring to bear on this to get all these cockroaches to scurry away from stealing America's democracy.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
17. I'm pretty sure that the president would have to sign on to that.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:20 AM
Mar 2018

There is no way Trump or the Republicans would do it.

VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
19. Utter bullshit from Dershowitz
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:21 AM
Mar 2018

He seems sort of reasonable until this:

"The public has lost faith in the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI. They don’t trust congressional investigative committees. They don’t know whom to believe when they hear conflicting accounts. There are leaks galore followed by denials of leaks. It’s a total mess. And what do we have to show for it? Just a handful of low-level indictments based largely on alleged crimes that are either unrelated or only marginally related to Russia’s attempt to influence our presidential election in 2016. "

1/ The Trump base may not support the Justice Department but they are not a majority of the country
2/ Congress' approval has been abysmal for a long time. The poor ratings did not start with the investigation
3/ What leaks? Mueller's investigation has been almost defined by how few unintentional leaks there have been. There has been a lot of speculation in the media about what Mueller's team is up to but it's not based on much but educated guesses.
4/ Manafort and Flynn are not low level indictments! And Flynn pleaded guilty! And Mueller isn't done yet!
5/ All crimes are alleged until proved beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
37. Dershowitz frames propaganda as truth, then makes his case.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:38 AM
Mar 2018

Through Cambridge Analytica's data theft, microtargeting, and re-framing, Trumpy has flooded the airwaves with falsehoods about the FBI and the DoJ. And Dershowitz legitimizes the propaganda because of its effectiveness. This guy's a shill for Putin, Russia, and a collapsing US government.

global1

(25,242 posts)
21. Dershowitz Doesn't Know What Mueller Knows Or Has Found.....
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:22 AM
Mar 2018

And the reason the public doesn't trust congressional committees and don't know whom to believe is because the conflicting accounts they are hearing are coming from Trump, Trump's people and the Repugs - like Nunes. They want this investigation to look like a 'total mess'.

Of course we don't have much to show for it yet - because Mueller hasn't finished his job yet. It seems that every stone he overturns he finds additional crimes or corruption. He's like peeling back an onion and with every layer - there is more to investigate.

Right now there might be low-level indictments - but there is a number of sealed indictments also - that we don't have knowledge of. The low-level indictments are out there to get the low-levelers to turn on those at the top. Mueller has had success at turning those people - with the guilty pleas he was able to obtain.

So for Dershowitz to make these comments - he's only contributing to the confusion and further adding to the public's mistrust in the process.

This is not a time to abandon all that Mueller has accomplished and start all over. I think Dershowitz is looking for Trump to hire him on to add to Trump's cadre of lawyers.


Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
22. Would that be non partisan like the
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:23 AM
Mar 2018

House Intelligence Committee Nunes heads, because that worked out real well.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
25. "There was no evidence of any crime committed by the Trump administration."
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:24 AM
Mar 2018

Dershowitz is not only putting the cart before the horse, he's calling it a "cart-drawn horse."

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
26. everything he says he wants and needs is being done by Mueller
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:26 AM
Mar 2018

...being done too thoroughly for some's taste, evidently, judging from this fool's op-ed.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
28. Repubs dont get the concept of BOTH/AND- we do the nonpartisan thing to prevent future problem AND
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:27 AM
Mar 2018

we investigate and charge all criminal activity as appropriate. BOTH/AND - not either/or.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
29. What a naive old cod!
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:30 AM
Mar 2018

It's not a "systemic problem". It is a probable criminal problem. There is no simple change to be made as recommended by a "commission". The change had to be made by the rule of law. No one is above the law. Just ask Joseph DiGenova.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,721 posts)
30. Excuse me for showing my ignorance...
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:31 AM
Mar 2018

But isn’t the Mueller investigation non-partisan? I believe the F.B.I. is an apolitical entity so in that regard is my assumption correct?

Freethinker65

(10,015 posts)
34. Appointed by who? Trump? Impartial Nunes? Haha
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:34 AM
Mar 2018

Mueller is non-partisan and so are FACTS.

Trump and the GOP enablers want the facts obscured and buried. They will change the direction and scope and waste time and resources going after Obama, both Clintons, and anyone/everyone but Trumps campaign and Russia.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,982 posts)
36. Dershowitz is desperate to stop Mueller before Mueller drills down to
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:37 AM
Mar 2018

Trump's involvement with Dershowitz's own buddy, convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
39. Perhaps Douchebagowitz has forgotten that we were pushing for this independent
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:41 AM
Mar 2018

commission but the scumbag Republicans refused.

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
40. The most infuriating, poisonous thing about this is that the targets for this
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:43 AM
Mar 2018

propaganda are in a self sustaining alternate reality where this bullshit is echoed and supported.
The 40% will believe the lie. Mueller is Republican, as are most others on staff. The only people making this investigation partisan are the ones claiming it is. Saying it is so doesn't supersede facts, but that is all the Trumpanzees need. A flimsy pretext that fits their manufactured narrative.

TREASON.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
42. sure, non partisan commission
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:44 AM
Mar 2018

with Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and Ben Nelson representing the Democrats.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

DFW

(54,365 posts)
54. Mueller is a Republican. The Midterms are not his focus.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:03 AM
Mar 2018

Any prosecutor pursuing a case with high-profile perps that have a lot of time and money invested in obscuring evidence is going to meet with a lot of headwinds. The closer Mueller gets to an indictment, the more effort will be brought to concealing evidence that makes a conviction likely.

Mueller is a pro, and knows that bringing an indictment that has little chance of a conviction is a useless effort. He therefore tracks down his evidence methodically, and in the face of whatever obstruction can be carried out without being blatant enough to warrant its own indictment.

Even Nixon resigned before an indictment (in the case of a sitting president, an impeachment) could be brought. That doesn't mean it wasn't coming. It only meant the methodical work of the investigators hadn't yet been wrapped up. As you recall, plenty of Nixon's henchmen ended up doing time--not right away, and not on anyone's timetable. But one after another, they DID go away.

Response to DFW (Reply #54)

DFW

(54,365 posts)
45. Asking the most partisan Republican Congress ever to appoint a non-partisan comission
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:47 AM
Mar 2018

That's sort of like asking like asking the Nazis to appoint a non-partisan commission to investigate the Holocaust.

Come one, Alan, we may be stupid, but we're not catatonic.

ExciteBike66

(2,341 posts)
46. Dersh says something dumb:
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:50 AM
Mar 2018

"Right now, we need the nonpartisan truth, because we aren’t getting it from the special counsel."

Technically we haven't gotten anything from the special counsel yet, which is by design. Not sure what Dersh is complaining about here...

oasis

(49,378 posts)
50. Dipshit-o-wit needs to get busy working on another non-fiction dud.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:57 AM
Mar 2018

The Barnes&Noble markdown tables are waiting.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
52. Well, there's part of this makes sense to me. 9-11 commission made
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:59 AM
Mar 2018

recommendations to do something to protect us in the future. When Mueller gets to the bottom of things - our people who were involved - will be indicted/prosecuted.

What's missing is that nothing is being done to protect against it in the future. On the other hand, maybe getting rid of Trump and all his sleazy connections will solve it.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
55. what pics does Putin have on Al? Or is he finally in full dementia?
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:12 AM
Mar 2018

mueller is a lifelong republican who has performed his duties is the most bi-partisian manner as any one who has ever served their country. For Dershowitz to suggest otherwise is clearly a hack attempt on derailing the investigation into trump courruption AND russian involvement in our election.

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
56. By now you guys should know
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:18 AM
Mar 2018

The Hill will publish anyone with a pulse.

This fucker Alan D is a crazy loony hasbeen. Leave him a nice message with the ridicule he deserves and move on. He's not worth your time.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
59. Trump apologists always want do-overs.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:34 AM
Mar 2018

Trump always gets another chance, then turns on those who give it to him.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
60. Disgusting asshole.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:35 AM
Mar 2018

He’s basically saying that the DOJ, FBI and all of our other law enforcement entities have been politicized, so Congress should create a non-partisan commission. The fucking Republican Congress. Right. Asshole.

He’s right up there with tRump, doing Putin’s bidding by tearing down our institutions and seeding mistrust among the American people.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
61. God damn this is stupid
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:37 AM
Mar 2018

I can't believe how many buy into this being a partisan witch hunt. It's is literally impossible. Perhaps one of the dumbest aspects of all of this since Trump was made President is how they still act like we made all these decisions lol. It's crazy, and tens of millions of Americans buy into it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
62. Fuck you, Dersh
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 10:41 AM
Mar 2018

Your idea is nothing but covering for a traitorous degenerate which since you already defended murderer OJ, shouldn't surprise anyone.

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