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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:47 PM

 

A reminder...in 1968, just before the Mexico City Olympics...

the Mexican government slaughtered between 33 and 300 students in "the Zocalo", a plaza in downtown Mexico City. Those students were demonstrating for badly-needed social transformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre

They were killed, in significant measure, because the Mexican government didn't want the world to see young protestors in the streets during the Games.

They were innocent victims as well.

Their lives were of equal value of those who died at Munich.

Their deaths were just as tied to the Games as were the innocent victims of Munich.

Yet we've never heard demands that ANY Olympic ceremony include a moment of silence for them...

Terrorism is terrorism...even when it wears a uniform.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:49 PM

1. Thank you for this good post. K&R.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:55 PM

2. you're welcome...have a nice weekend

 

n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:55 PM

3. How horrible.

I didn't even know that happened. Before my time.

Thank you for the post and I agree, if they're going to give tributes to those who've died in relation to the Olympics then they should include all victims.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:03 PM

4. these were athletes competing in the olympics , i don't see what hte point of this is

it's like complaining about memorials and tributes to colorado theater victims because others shot and killed in other shootings weren't getting the same .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:15 PM

8. And the killings of those athletes had already been commemorated

 

the only reason the "moment of silence" issue got brought up again was to create a bogus "litmus test" issue...as if you were an antisemite if you DIDN'T demand the additional commemoration.

The victims at the Zocalo were killed because the Mexican government didn't want the world to see protest during the Games...their deaths were just as tied to the games as the victims of Munich.

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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:48 PM

25. Wrong. I grieved for the Munich athletes(and all the victims of historic antisemitism)

 

as did the world.

It's just that the killing of the Mexican kids was equally wrong...the lives of both groups of innocent people were of equal value.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:07 PM

5. Well I know a few in Mexico

 

Would not quite agree with you with the comparison that is.

And wiki has wrong numbers by zeroes...the guerra Sucia, which ended ten years later, we had thousands go missing. There have been calls to bring echeverria to trial for decades now.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:12 PM

6. I was using the low Wiki numbers to be on the safe side.

 

You're right that the death rate was probably much much higher, with evidence suppressed by the Mexican government.

Yet a major reason for the killings was to crush the student movement...a movement that had actual revolutionary potential...BEFORE the Games began.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:15 PM

7. In recent years the research has unearthed a lot of crap

 

why the calls to try Echeverria are geting higher. That said, current drug on wars, make that look like a pikers dream.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:16 PM

9. I agree that Echeverria should be tried. Please don't think I'd disagree with you on that.

 

He's just as much a terrorist as anybody in Black September.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:25 PM

10. He gave the orders

 



And quite honestly, there has been ONE good thing that came out of all that... the country did take it's sweet time, but after that era of terror, and it was... well... it has evolved.

But going to the current times, the current war on drugs will lead to calls for trials for Calderon too... I am willing to bet on that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:36 PM

11. And Echeverria's party was just returned to power.

 

I hate to think what that will mean.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:09 PM

13. This version of the PRI is not your father's PRI

 

just like the GOP is not your father's GOP.

Actually, believe it or not, they are far less authoritarian than they used to be.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:54 PM

14. that would be the OPPOSITE of the difference

 

between the GOP of today and my father's GOP(actually, my father may have been a Republican at one point, although he wasn't naturally a political person or a right-wing extremist and would, indeed, have no use for the people in today's GOP).

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:49 AM

57. Echeverria's party...

Also gave Mexico Lazaro Cardenas (though the name changed). As I'm sure you know, but most Americans probably don't, the PRI was an umbrella party until 1988. One could be a leftist, yet a member of the PRI.

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Response to a la izquierda (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:00 PM

64. Cardenas' son formed the PRD(a left alternative to the PRI)at that time.

 

And yes, the PRI was an "umbrella party" comprising both right and left(strongly resembling the pre-1975 Peronist Party in Argentina in that respect)but always had a strongly authoritarian and anti-democratic internal political culture.

Nowadays, the PRI are just another group of neoliberal toadies-the differences between them and the PAN are meaningless(as demonstrated by the fact that Vicente Fox, the first PAN president-the "Mexican Reagan", as some of us called him) endorsed the PRI presidential candidate over his own party's nominee.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:16 AM

71. Yes, I know this...

but WHEN did he form that party ? That's the key. He formed it in protest of the '88 election.

As I imagine you know, Mexican political history is vastly different from our own. For almost a century, it was really a Democracy in Name Only (since the writing of the 1857 constitution, I'd suggest). Voting as a bloc isn't really democratic, is it?

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:02 PM

12. While we're on the subject, the two U.S. athletes who did protest the 1968 Games

 

Tommie Smith and John Carlos, were both from San Jose State, an athletics (track and field) powerhouse at the time. They are honored with a statue on the paradoxically politically silent campus.



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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:52 PM

28. I remember that!

The MSM lost their collective minds over it. I laughed my ass off.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:53 AM

56. I had that poster up on my bedroom wall as a kid.

Some of us even knew about the Mexico City massacre, too. But, the US media barely mentioned it.

Do you have to ask why it scrubbed from the news?

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:58 PM

15. No.

Enough of a disconnect.

Students weren't athletes. The students were there to protest the government. The athletes were there at the Olympics' invitation, to participate.

One event happened before the games. The other happened during the games.

The students were killed, in part, to provide the "proper" backdrop to the Games. Only in part. They weren't killed simply because they were students, and they were killed by their own government. The athletes were killed specifically because of the Games, to leverage off the Games' publicity, and were killed specifically because they were Jewish Israelis while under the protection of the IOC.


And, finally, there's still a double standard. A Greek makes a racist comment before the Games and she's declared a persona non grata--granted, by the Greek government because she supports a neo-fascist party at home. Still, it created a ruckus. Such racist thinking is contrary to the Olympic spirit.

Then, a day later, Lebanese judo athletes had to train in the same gym as Israelis. They insisted that a partition be put up so that they wouldn't have to even see the Israelis, much less interact with them. The ever vigilant Olympics officials hastily complied with the Lebanese athletes' most courteous and broad-minded request. This is apparently in keeping with the Olympic spirit. (Imagine if the Greek athlete was training next to African athletes and demanded that a partition be put up so that she would't be offended by seeing black Africans.)

Meanwhile, the Palestinians were declaring that the mere request to have a moment of silence was a racist act by the Israelis.

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Response to Igel (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:28 PM

59. They wanted to "Clean up" for the Olympics with a boodbath.

 

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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:41 PM

21. How sad that YOU think that way

 

I think it's wrong to kill innocent people. All innocent lives are of equal value. It's as wrong to kill Israelis as anybody else...it's not MORE wrong to kill Israelis(and the issue was that they were Israelis, not that they were Jews...nobody attacked Jewish athletes from any other country's Olympic teams) than to kill anybody else.


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Response to Post removed (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:57 PM

29. To some here that's acceptable.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:02 PM

30. Nothing I've said here equates to "Jewphobia"(a non-existent word)

 

or even to antisemitism.

All I'm saying is that you don't privilege one group of innocent victims over another.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:57 AM

48. And apparently to some - such as you and USMC

 

Some ethnic groups are just more valuable than others.

But of course,that's been acceptable on DU for some time. How does the ranking go?

Roma < "Other" < Native Americans < Arabs < Latinos < Blacks < Jews < Asians < Whites

Something like that.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:58 PM

61. I guess you can go some place and find your own lil' Utopia. When you do, let me know

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:13 PM

62. Interesting response

 

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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:42 PM

22. How do I not stand for equality?

 

Can I ONLY stand for equality if I privilege some innocent lives over others?

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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:49 PM

26. it's not Republican tactics

 

to say that it's equally wrong to kill any innocent person.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:13 PM

18. agreed another reason we shouldn't be taking part

in the Olympics

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:40 PM

19. Thanks for the history lesson!

Remember 68 for the raised fists did not know about the protest attack/ terrorism

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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:51 PM

27. not true.

 

I don't have to privilege the deaths of the Munich athletes over the deaths of all other innocent people just to prove I'm not an antisemitic(btw, "Jewphobic" isn't actually a word).

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:30 PM

32. You have a LONG way to go on that, Ken.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #32)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:34 PM

34. Not sure if you're praising or insulting me there.

 

Last edited Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:59 AM - Edit history (1)

Obviously, I'm not an antisemite. I'm not even antizionist. I'm just trying to be even-handed on the I/P issue. That's the opposite of any type of bigotry.

(on edit)
OK, you're just lying about me there.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #34)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:50 PM

37. !

Of course you are.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:06 AM

39. Of course I am what?

 

I'm not an antisemite.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:12 PM

31. I see what you are doing, but

While some do seem to value Jewish lives over others, we also cannot forget why people targeted those kids.

Yes, Tel Aviv acts sometimes like only Jewish lives matter, and yes that attitude needs to be shot down in flames
but there are also people who would pop champagne if every Jew was dead. I use champagne to point out that said drinkers are NOT Muslims.

Also, as folks like these show, Palestine was shown a bloodlust that is, yes, worthy of contempt:

http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/Munich-mastermind-has-no-regrets-1196762.php
http://suite101.com/article/mickey-mouse-clone-teaches-hate-a20887

However, we cannot place one against another, and while I doubt that was the intent of the OP, there are those who would use that for their ends, and they need to be denounced fully.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:32 PM

33. I agree that real antisemitism still exists

 

the way to fight it, as is the way to fight all OTHER forms of hate, is to work for a uniformly hate-free world. That world won't come for a long time, but we have to try to get there.

My point is not to put any victims against any other victims, but simply to point out that the way you end injustice against one group is to work to end it against all.

And it's unlikely that anyone will ever forget the victims of Munich(for the record, while their killings were abhorrent and indefensible, they weren't targeted for being Jewish...they were targeted for being Israel...no Jewish athletes from any other country were targeted. We need to be precise on this).

The world mourned the Israeli victims in Munich WHEN they were killed.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:34 PM

35. Those of us who 'know' you get your 'point'.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #35)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:38 PM

36. My point is that it's equally wrong when ANY innocent person is killed.

 

Agreed?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #36)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:51 PM

38. Your POINT was disgust that they dared

to acknowledge the 40 year anniversary of Munich and raise ongoing security concerns about the athletes in London and the surrounding areas.

But, do go on...

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:08 AM

40. the anniversary is acknowledged by the world anyway

 

The world mourned the athletes then. The world still denounces their deaths today

It's not like people HAVE to keep proving that over and over.

And my ACTUAL point is that the Olympics did even less to acknowledge the murder of the students in Mexico City. That event was as tied to the Games as the Munich murders, and those students were just as much innocent victims as were the Israeli athletes in Munich.

It's wrong to privilege the loss of one group of innocent people over another.

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Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:58 AM

42. I've never done that and you know it.

 

There's no moral difference whatsoever between the murder of the Israelis at Munich and the murder of the Mexican students in Mexico City. They were both the murder of totally innocent people by those who disagreed with what the represented(the struggle for a better world in the Mexican students' case, the cause of Zionism in the other). The killings were EQUALLY wrong and the victims were equally innocent. If you hold anything like a universalist conception of justice, you'd mourn both equally.

And it's wrong to privilege the murder of one group of innocents over another. Decent people accept that.

At the next Olympics, BOTH sets of victims should get a minute of silence.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #42)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:05 AM

43. Nope. Never. Not even now.

This is a total FIRST for you, and I am just jumping in randomly with no background and no history.

Works for me.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #43)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:07 AM

44. You're slandering me here.

 

I oppose all prejudice. That automatically puts me in solidarity with all victims of oppression-including the victims of antisemitism.

There's no moral difference between the dead in Mexico City and the dead in Munich. Both were killed because of what the represented and the Olympics were a pretext for both their deaths.

And it's simply wrong to argue that only the Israeli deaths mattered. The Mexican students were just as much innocent victims and terrorism is still terrorism when its conducted by the state.

Why would you ever privilege the deaths of one group of innocents before any others? We're all equal in value as human beings.

(voluntarily edited to remove language that may have caused offense).

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:16 AM

45. If you can't see why it's legitimate to acknowledge the 40th anniversary of what happened in Munich,

I can't help you.

If the fact that it IS being acknowledged pisses you off or rubs you the wrong way, ...I REALLY can't help you.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:24 AM

46. It doesn't piss me off

 

It's the notion that these deaths were a greater crime than the others that's the issue.

No innocent life is of any greater value than any other innocent life. We have to believe, as a world, that all lives are of equal value and worth or we're doomed.

And it's troubling that this whole thing got turned into "the Olympics HAS to do this or their a bunch of antisemites". It doesn't honor the Munich dead to turn this into that sort of litmus test.

I agreed that there should have been a moment of silence...but I don't agree with the manufactured outraged or the insinuations as to why. And I mean it when I say that the Mexico City victims should be given their moment of silence as well.

OK?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:32 AM

47. I agree that all human life is of equal value, but all human life doesnt get to play in the olympics

I mean, the entire notion of the Olympics is predicated upon special people doing something special. And 40 years ago, some of those people- particpants in the games- were brutally killed, in part, because the folks in charge of the games fucked up and didn't adequately protect them.

It wasn't just 'associated with the games', it WAS the games. That's why it's different.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:40 AM

49. They had a memorial service to the victims AT the Munich games

 

I saw it, it was on global television. They stopped the Games for three days(perhaps they should just have canceled the rest of the Games, but I don't think either the U.S. or Soviet governments OR the media corporations covering the Games would have tolerated that)and there was a televised event commemorating the victims, unless I remember horribly wrong.

It was criminal that the Israeli athletes were killed, but I'm suspicious of the motives of at least some of those who were demanding the additional commemoration at The current Games...I think some were trying to use the question of having another commemoration of the Munich murders at these games to make some a comment about Palestinians today, and those who were using it for that purpose are being inappropriate.

I do think the IOC should officially apologize for not allowing a Palestinian team at the 1972 games, since it appears that that refusal was the act that directly precipitated the kidnapping of the Israeli athletes. And I also believe that there needs to be a real, independent investigation into the of the German law enforcement authorities to stage a rescue mission, since that decision, and the way in which the attempt led to a crossfire situation, was what led to the deaths of MOST of the Israeli athletes(the original intent of the Palestinian kidnappers was simply to use the athletes as a bargaining chip...not to kill them).

To me, these last two things are far more important than a moment of silence, and would honor the victims at a far greater level.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:31 AM

51. Okay, let's look at your post.

It was criminal that the Israeli athletes were killed, but


I would humbly submit that that's where you run into trouble. The "but".

I'm suspicious of the motives of at least some of those who were demanding the additional commemoration at The current Games...


In other words, it pisses you off. Which you said it didn't. In fact, upthread you said it was about no lives being worth more than any other lives, not about not wanting to commemorate this loss of life or objecting to commemorating this specific loss of life.

I think some were trying to use the question of having another commemoration of the Munich murders at these games to make some a comment about Palestinians today, and those who were using it for that purpose are being inappropriate.


That's reading an awful lot into a minute or so of silence.

I do think the IOC should officially apologize for not allowing a Palestinian team at the 1972 games, since it appears that that refusal was the act that directly precipitated the kidnapping of the Israeli athletes.


Okay, wait a minute. Back the truck up, for a second. You don't think there should be any formal acknowledgement by the IOC of the murder of the Israeli athletes at the 72 games, but you DO think there should be an apology issued to the Palestinians for not being allowed to field a team. Because... let me make sure I'm understanding this, correctly; not being allowed to field a team prompted the Palestinians to go and kill Israeli athletes (and not, say, the members of the IOC who were involved in the decision not to allow a Palestinian team?) ...



and, seriously. You're seriously suggesting that was the impeteus behind the terrorist attack?

I know you're not suggesting it justifies it, in the least, of course.


But... really?

C'mon, man.

a real, independent investigation into the of the German law enforcement authorities to stage a rescue mission, since that decision, and the way in which the attempt led to a crossfire situation, was what led to the deaths of MOST of the Israeli athletes(the original intent of the Palestinian kidnappers was simply to use the athletes as a bargaining chip...not to kill them).



It was a clusterfuck, no one would deny that, but the responsibility for the terrorist murder lies with the terrorists, no one else.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:05 AM

52. It doesn't piss me off

 

I do question the motives of some who have pushed for this.

There's no contradiction between those two thoughts.

And I didn't say there shouldn't be any more formal acknowledgement(the memorial service at the Munich Games was already a formal acknowledgment...)so don't put those words in my mouth or my mind.

It should never have been turned into something that became "if you DON'T join the demands for another acknowledgement, you're an antisemite". That wasn't appropriate.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #52)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:51 AM

58. You have more productive things to do with your time than argue with Warren

 

really, any attempt at discussion turns into a battle of "yuh huh!" v. "nuh uh!" with occasional references to a dopey Hanna-Barbara cartoon from the 80's.

You're better off alphabetically organizing your freezer or something.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:23 PM

63. you're probably right.

 

n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:17 AM

50. I agree that they were victims of state terrorism...

but the difference is that the murdered Israeli athletes were DIRECTLY involved in the Olympics. They were not only murdered at around the same time and place at the Olympics; they were murdered as participants in the Olympics.

I am all in favour of a memorial for the students who were murdered in Mexico; but there is no compelling reason why it should be part of the Olympic ceremonies, whereas in the case of the Israeli athletes, it was an Olympic-related tragedy, and thus would be appropriately commemorated in this context.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:08 AM

53. The world joined in denouncing the killings at the time.

 

And it's pretty certain that the IOC would have acted in exactly the same way if any other athletes had been killed by the enemies of their nations(if, for example, Ulster Catholic athletes on the British team had been killed in a rescue attempt between the German police and some crazy Loyalists who'd kidnapped them, for example). I think it's more about bureaucratic inertia than deliberate malice.

btw, was anybody pushing for this before the last month prior to the Games? I hadn't heard of any such demands prior to the last few weeks or so. If it actually was a last-minute thing, I kind of wonder if the intent was simply to try to make the IOC embarass itself by saying no rather than actually getting the moment of silence.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:34 PM

60. Why not just do away with the Olympics and make most of us happy. We can't even discuss them

without getting into truculent discussions . The progressive, liberal, all encompassing, compassionate, democrats that we are suppose to be can't even accept opinions of one poster who to me was just voicing his opinion on the Munich Olympics which I have, in away, agree with him.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:27 AM

54. Kick!

My Aunt was a Professor of Mathematics there at the time and was disgusted and more.
This is remembered in Mexico, unlike what happens in the US of A by 'Mercuns"

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:41 AM

55. GREAT POST!! K&R

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:11 PM

65. k&r nt

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:17 PM

66. It was the government who killed the demonstrators

so no one will call it terrorism precisely because of that. It would also be considered an insult to another country for the same reason.

And there are many such incidents like that in Mexico's recent history. How do you think they keep the peasants down?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #66)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:27 PM

68. Right on all counts.

 

Perhaps it will happen if Mexico actually has a real revolution someday, with the NEW government having the commemoration at a future Olympics.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:23 PM

67. K&R n/t

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:30 PM

69. Good post.....and so true.

Terrorism is terrorism....even when it wears a uniform.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:48 PM

70. sad that there still hasn't been any justice for those students...

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