Fascinating interview of PA18 folks, two of whom voted for Trump but this time voted for the Dem.
Four people in the interview. All voted for Trump. One registered R voted for Lamb and also worked on his campaign. Another, a Dem named Steve, voted for Trump and now can't stand him so switched and voted for Lamb.
And I say GOOD FOR THEM!!
How can this not be a GOOD thing? And we need more of it. We need folks coming to their senses, realizing they made a mistake, and coming back to the Dem party and voting for a Dem that they like and who fits the district. This is how we will win EVERYWHERE.
Check it out.
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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)
Now DU is a place where you can only adhere to the party line? It's beginning to feel even more like Russia!! This is nuts!!
Moderates who were sold a bs lie. Or even independents. But those who still support him are not reachable. No point of wasting breath on those who don't see reality.
I have NO problem speaking to people who voted for Trump. I can tell in 30 seconds if they are angry die hard jerkoffs who will vote for any right wing nut job or if they were a legit "I voted for him because I didn't like Hillary."
I know 3 people who voted for Trump who now can't stand him. Yes moderates. I think we need to try to reach all we can With slim margins like in 2016 we need them all in 2018 and 2020.
You can reach them. Especially if you reach to core issues. Not some horseshit dream that jobs will suddenly reappear or some crap wall.
30 to 35 percent will be loyal to Dump. Those I can care less about insulting or pissing off. Fuck them.
But if you think thats a good strategy, youre tripping. Im disgusted to even read this bullshit. Its Dems who refused to help Hillary who might realize they need to get off their asses for Dems now- becasue they helped Trump along w his crap about Hillary.
I'm focused on the future, not the past. This isn't about Hillary.
but this male D candidate was considered more acceptable than the female candidate on the same issues.
It raises the question, "do we cater to these people and alienate the backbone of our party, or do we let them come over on their own as they see the disaster they created, while we GOTV among women and people of color?"
I know which strategy I will be following, though you will probably find that "misguided."
I'm going to work hard for my local Rep district regarding who I deem the best candidate. (State and Federal.) I don't care if they are black white male or female. I put my efforts behind who I think is the best candidate. I didn't vote for Bernie Sanders in the Ohio primary. I voted for Hillary. But I do understand people who voted for him.
That said, my goal is to discuss with as many Trump voting moderates to come to the Democratic side. That is what I'm doing now and will through 2018 and 2020.
points I raised.
Idiots will be idiots. They are that for believing something that was clearly bull. Better them to get a hard reality check than stay in the dark.
bs in the general, and still at the end of the video happily chirped up that they voted for him for a change.
And one was a woman even who voted for the p_ssy grabber.
But that's because tRump himself. But no point to reach across the aisle to unreasonable MAGATS.
Especially among unaffiliated/independent voters. The only way you know is by talking to them.
as democratic voters are rising up
They said they like what Lamb campaigned on. Well dumb fuck - he campaigned the Democratic platform issues. Not the Republican one. If you like what he campaigned on you should have voted for him despite the fact he had a "D" next to his name.
You are a fucking idiot for voting for someone just because they have an "R" beside their name.
use shorthand to know what they support or not. For example in a set of polls conducted by CNN a few years ago, Obamacare had 46% of people opposing it and 29% supporting it. The ACA had 37% opposed and 22% supporting it.
So if Lamb was able to reach past the Democratic brand name in a district where that is a bad thing, that's good. It can help provide an in-road potentially for other candidates to other offices. We need to get more seats at all level of government.
I live here and I know what these tRumper humpers are like. Screw them all.
If you are looking to sucker someone, these were four different examples of how to do it. But, I do understand why you wouldn't want to watch it. It was kind of nauseating, especially when you realize there are millions more just like them--even now, after more than a year of this shitshow.
Living around these people is more depressing than you can ever imagine.
I live in South Carolina. I am surrounded by them. (Not literally. The neighbors on both sides are actually Democrats, thank goodness.)
Put in office....think about everyplace we go and not having to interact with his base. We are blessed with many liberal friends. It is how we survive.
Here is what this is about........
Lamb, 33, a Democrat from Mt. Lebanon, collected about 49.8 percent of the votes cast compared with the Republican Saccone's 49.6 percent and Libertarian Drew Miller's 0.6 percent, according to unofficial tallies. Only 627 votes separated Saccone and Lamb, who declared victory early Wednesday.
...SEE THat........667 VOTES SEPARATED SACCONE AND LAMB.....667 VOTES..
People need to remember that when they think "Oh, what's it going to matter if I don't vote?" Well, obviously, it does matter.
Well Hillary ran under those same issues, as they are a part of the Democratic platform. Trump ran on build a wall and deport them all. Everything else he said he would do sounds good in theory, but are disastrous in the real world. His plan to accomplish this was "trust me"
Given trump's actual history, there was nothing there to show he would be a president for the every day American. Stiffing contractors, using his charity to pay lawsuits, bankruptcies, university used as a pyramid scheme, sued for civil rights violations etc. This was all known and more. hell they even excused sexual assault.
While Clinton had a history of working for the every day American. Health insurance, woman's rights are human rights, she and her husband were the 1st POTUS & FLOTUS to acknowledge AIDS and fund research. Healthcare for children. Desegregation. Keeping juveniles from being housed in prisons with adult men. The Clinton Family foundation. Fought to get insurance coverage for 9/11 rescuers and workers. On and on there are examples of the work she has done to help people.
But these fuckers chose to believe lies because she is a woman and trump has a dick. They had no problem with Lamb. If Harris runs in 2020 they will vote for trump again. because a woman just can't be trusted. Misogyny runs deep with some people.
Look at the coal miners. They voted for a man that promised to take away their healthcare because he said he would bring back their jobs. Well their healthcare is as good as gone and their jobs? where the beef? Hillary was right, those jobs aren't coming back. But she had a detailed plan to invest to retrain them for the jobs of the future....solar, fuel cell, and more. Jobs that wouldn't give them black lung. They chose to believe the male, known liar over a woman who has a solid record of helping people just like them.
So.... excuse me while I kiss the sky.
if I am given a choice of GOTV among women and people of color to win elections, or telingl women, "sorry, the white guys in western PA won't vote for you, so you better just get back into the kitchen," I'm pretty much going to go with the GOTV option.
to get such votes.
They are into white men. Party doesnt matter as long as the person looks like them and doesnt scare them.
Tim Ryan for speaker!
from polling data. Even though this is a small sample.
First, Rs aren't persuaded by the "work together" argument from Dem candidates. They continue to believe Dems will vote mostly, if not always, along party lines.
Second, white women are moving/have moved away from Trump.
Third, at least some Dems are coming home.
I need them to jump in with us and work hard to give Dems a majority in Congress. I probably would like an apology b/c they didn't listen to us but am not going to press for one. But I don't need to fawn over someone.
They didn't do it because someone convinced them to. If you talk to 100 Trump supporters, and 2 of them change how they will vote, you have to ask yourself whether you are the one who convinced them. Probably not.
On the other hand, if you talk to 100 Democrats who didn't vote in the 2014 mid-term elections for one reason or another, and then convince 25 of them to go and vote for Democrats in the 2018 mid-term elections, you will have achieved something worthwhile.
Which effort do you think helps Democrats win more effectively?
These people figured it out all by themselves.
adopt a trumper last time. Or was it 20 times ago? I can't remember. Hard to keep count.
Anyway, you said I was deplorable because I said this "adopt a trumper" idea was really dumb and the answer was to GOTV among women and POC. But you thought that I was deplorable for saying that, and shameful, too, for not obeying you, and that the trump voters were really, really nice folks that we need to be extra special nice to.
Anyway, I took your advice and ran out to the diner and asked around if anyone was a deer hunting trump voter. I figured I would have a nice conversation with them, just like you did, not mention politics, and then congratulate myself on the basis of no evidence that I had converted said deer hunting trump voter to voting Democratic.
Everyone in the diner just looked at me as if I were crazy, though.
I'm appalled at the tone of most of the responses here. Almost all against talking to the other side. Appalling, but interesting, because there was a thread yesterday just full of well reasoned posts with different points of view. Maybe it has to do with who's at DU on weekends???
2018 - The Year Of "Let's Interview Trump Voters In Shitstain, OH And Pantload, WV Who Might Not Vote For Trump Next Time!"
Do go on . . . .
Understanding does not necessarily mean agreement.
Why is that such a hard thing for so many DUers to get?
one more Dem, means we are one step closer to having Pelosi as Speaker and long time liberals as committee leaders deciding which bills to bring forward and which hearings/investigations to have.
And the House is especially important since they control budgets and revenue.
Conservative Democrats have a place in conservative regions, but that's not a testimonial that they'll support our choice for president, or even a Democrat for a statewide race who isn't also conservative.
But that's what some people want . A culture where white men are the center of attention.
White men should control both parties. Including the one which is made up of mostly women and minorities.
The rest of us need to take a back seat.
their needs get preference. It has always been like that, and it should remain that way.
I can't believe I'm writing this in 2018!
Marketing out party as a whole toward them is political suicide. We'd literally alienate our base to suck in a few voters who'd leave for the next conservative white male the GOP runs.
The good news is our leaders are smarter than the people who think that's where we should go.