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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 04:00 AM Mar 2018

Do you think that Special Counsel Mueller understands that 45 is out to destroy him?

Part of me feels like SCM believes that there are norms that just can't be crossed and he is probably an American exceptionalist who believes that the institutions are stronger than any one deranged lunatic. He best keep in mind those words that Benjamin Franklin spoke after the constitutional convention. 'A republic if you can keep it.' I fear that he is an idealist who thinks there are some lines DJT won't cross. In short, if SCM thinks DJT is a rational actor who is bound by some constraints, his investigation is fatally flawed. Conversely, he could understand this very well and have a shock and awe strategy, sorry to use that term, when the time is right. He's played his cards magnificently so far but if he views DJT as anything other than a maniac Hitler wannabe, he may find himself in grave danger someday soon. I pray that he understands that there is no line DJT won't cross in order to shut him down. Far be it from me to criticize someone I revere in SCM, but John Gotti didn't have the ability to fight assymetric warfare and an entire political party willing to abandon their principles to stand by their totalitarian fascist, not to mention the help of the world's largest country.

I should note that he has already failed to prevent the Republicans from being able to politicize his investigation and disparage his hard work. There lies a failure of imagination already.

Sure SCM is smarter than DJT but so were Ted Cruz and HRC! Kerry and Gore were smarter than Bush!

We've been let down before by those who underestimated the unique and unparalleled evilness that literally occupies the WH today, like a foreign invader, and who is only there because of the help thereof!

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Do you think that Special Counsel Mueller understands that 45 is out to destroy him? (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Mar 2018 OP
Mueller is sharp TEB Mar 2018 #1
Reading other posts as well have made me feel better NewsCenter28 Mar 2018 #2
Mueller is definitely prepared for Trump. nocalflea Mar 2018 #3
Mueller Understands More than ANyone else JI7 Mar 2018 #4
Mueller brought down Gotti, murielm99 Mar 2018 #5
I'm sure Mueller is quite well aware of anything any of us have figured out EffieBlack Mar 2018 #6
I have to agree DFW Mar 2018 #7
Yup. To that last, Trump also tends to not hire Hortensis Mar 2018 #8
Mueller is comfortable working to thwart criminals. They don't scare him. no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #9
This is not a political campaign Norbert Mar 2018 #10
There's a huge flaw in your reasoning PJMcK Mar 2018 #11
another point to consider mnmoderatedem Mar 2018 #13
Thats the trick I believe NewsCenter28 Mar 2018 #15
Mueller took on the mafia, he didn't run then and won't now...he is protrecting the beachbum bob Mar 2018 #12
Mueller understands he will be gone as soon as Trump can talk the Republicans into supporting it. kentuck Mar 2018 #14

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
2. Reading other posts as well have made me feel better
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 04:16 AM
Mar 2018

Off to bed now! Hate being so anxious all the time! Thanks for your post!

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
3. Mueller is definitely prepared for Trump.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 04:52 AM
Mar 2018

Did it occur to you that Mueller is setting a trap for all of Trump' s GOP defenders ?

A lack of imagination ?

No, I think it's called "letting things playout". Let the guilty expose themselves.

The "narrative" means nothing. It's the rule of law that "will out".

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
5. Mueller brought down Gotti,
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 05:03 AM
Mar 2018

investigated Noriega and the Lockerbie Pan Am flight bombing.

If he can get Gotti, that alone makes it more than likely that he understands people who have no moral compass. I think the investigation has the right leader.

Like me, do you worry too much in the middle of the night?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
6. I'm sure Mueller is quite well aware of anything any of us have figured out
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 05:12 AM
Mar 2018

And knows considerably more about his investigation and the environment in which he's conducting it than we do.

But I'm sure he appreciates the second-guessing from the peanut gallery

DFW

(54,341 posts)
7. I have to agree
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 05:22 AM
Mar 2018

Mueller knows perfectly well who Archibald Cox was, and knows he could suffer the same fate.

I'm also sure he has planted contingency action for such an action, and that Trump's legal knows this, and is weighing their options over which course of action would do them the least damage.

Nixon's legal team convinced him that resignation was the course of action likely to do him the least damage. I'm sure Trump's legal team is looking at the big picture as well. The difference is that Trump tends to fire anyone who tells him something he doesn't want to hear.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Yup. To that last, Trump also tends to not hire
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 06:20 AM
Mar 2018

attorneys known for integrity, preferring vicious attack dogs who are 100% committed to using or defeating the law, whatever works best. That's a pattern of decades and it goes directly not merely to the honesty of the Trump team, but of particular note, to its competence when it has to work within, like, The Law.

What worked for a billionaire whose attorneys specialized in tax dodges and savaging bill collectors is not working now. To put it mildly.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
9. Mueller is comfortable working to thwart criminals. They don't scare him.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 06:49 AM
Mar 2018

He knows that their human foibles usually bring them down.

He's not worried about Trump or his associates ruining him -- or worse.

Norbert

(6,039 posts)
10. This is not a political campaign
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 07:04 AM
Mar 2018

it's an investigation.

I'm thinking Mueller is AT LEAST two moves ahead of shithead on this. A fully thought out backup plan is ready to be put in place in case Mueller gets the ax.

Just remember what happened when the Nixon team fired Archibald Cox. It ultimately became their downfall.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
11. There's a huge flaw in your reasoning
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 07:43 AM
Mar 2018

Your post is well-written and your points are clearly expressed. However, you make a false analogy when you compare Trump and Bush with their electoral opponents.

Robert Mueller is not playing on the field of politics. He's in the arena of the law. His tools and objectives are very different than those of a political candidate. He has assets and abilities that go far deeper than those used by, say, Hillary Clinton.

I suggest that your post might be re-titled, "Do you think that Trump understands that Robert Mueller is out to destroy him?"

Incidentally, I believe that the dragnet is very broad and will capture many of the miscreants who have been supporting and/or covering for Trump. My personal opinion, without any inside knowledge, is that there will be many others, including congressional people, who will face subpoenas and even charges before Mr. Mueller has finished his work.

mnmoderatedem

(3,724 posts)
13. another point to consider
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 08:02 AM
Mar 2018

is how much trump has pissed off the intelligence community for his own ends, with the constant insults which, whether trump realizes it or not, really resonate up and down the line, regardless of whether the individuals within the intelligence lean right or not.

Doubtless it has a galvanizing effect.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
15. Thats the trick I believe
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 10:39 AM
Mar 2018

Indictments of some Congress critters would make him bullet proof and send them scurrying into their holes.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
12. Mueller took on the mafia, he didn't run then and won't now...he is protrecting the
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 07:55 AM
Mar 2018

country from HIGH TREASON. He and his team know that.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
14. Mueller understands he will be gone as soon as Trump can talk the Republicans into supporting it.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 10:21 AM
Mar 2018

Republicans have supported the Special Counsel in the past.

But, they may be having a change of heart?

If Sessions decides to fire Rosenstein, he will probably face little resistance from Republicans. If Trump were to fire Sessions, for a new AG to be put in place, that might create a few problems for him. Repubs would be less likely to support the firing of Sessions, than the firing of Rosenstein.

This week could be very significant in the Russia investigation.

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