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Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:36 PM

Do you know what to do if someone cardiac arrests in front of you?

Pass it on. Step by step instructions here: http://www.heartrescuenow.com/

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Reply Do you know what to do if someone cardiac arrests in front of you? (Original post)
1monster Jul 2012 OP
alfredo Jul 2012 #1
freshwest Jul 2012 #41
Cerridwen Jul 2012 #50
alfredo Jul 2012 #55
sammytko Jul 2012 #2
KansDem Jul 2012 #3
radhika Jul 2012 #22
rustydog Jul 2012 #49
KansDem Jul 2012 #59
lunatica Jul 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #8
lunatica Jul 2012 #54
progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #18
MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #37
lunatica Jul 2012 #52
LisaL Jul 2012 #43
lunatica Jul 2012 #53
CurtEastPoint Jul 2012 #5
handmade34 Jul 2012 #6
riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #7
MADem Jul 2012 #9
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #13
Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #10
Whisp Jul 2012 #11
pasto76 Jul 2012 #14
1monster Jul 2012 #23
LisaL Jul 2012 #45
1monster Jul 2012 #47
LisaL Jul 2012 #61
LisaL Jul 2012 #62
randome Jul 2012 #25
lastlib Jul 2012 #30
Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #28
Major Nikon Jul 2012 #39
Major Nikon Jul 2012 #40
1monster Jul 2012 #15
leeroysphitz Jul 2012 #12
liberalmuse Jul 2012 #16
MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #57
pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #17
eilen Jul 2012 #19
RainDog Jul 2012 #20
Patiod Jul 2012 #21
renate Jul 2012 #65
Patiod Jul 2012 #67
Zoigal Jul 2012 #24
1monster Jul 2012 #26
Jim Lane Jul 2012 #42
LisaL Jul 2012 #44
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #27
barbtries Jul 2012 #29
lastlib Jul 2012 #31
TahitiNut Jul 2012 #32
auntAgonist Jul 2012 #33
TahitiNut Jul 2012 #34
caseymoz Jul 2012 #35
chowder66 Jul 2012 #36
mia Jul 2012 #38
OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #46
lordsummerisle Jul 2012 #48
slampoet Jul 2012 #51
1monster Jul 2012 #60
slampoet Jul 2012 #64
1monster Jul 2012 #66
Historic NY Jul 2012 #56
spanone Jul 2012 #58
rug Jul 2012 #63
HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #68
rug Jul 2012 #69

Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:43 PM

1. Grab their wallet and run?

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Response to alfredo (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:01 PM

41. LOL, but the sick dog in me said that first, too. I wouldn't because I just wouldn't.

Everyone in my family died this way and I will too, so I'm ready to render assistance to them and also know what to do for me.

Alfredo:

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Response to alfredo (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:18 PM

50. I have no sense of humor. Could you explain, please.

I see you kicking someone when they are not only down but dying. Could you please explain the humor in doing what you described? Could you perhaps explain why it is that treating people as a punchline is funny...beyond the peasants insurance angle of it?

Thank you.

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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #50)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:39 PM

55. Absurdity is one of many tools in humor. Surprise is another tool of humor. There is

also something called black humor or gallows humor. The comic strip Raw Meat is a good example of black humor. The greatest humor comes from tragedy.

Examples

All extremists should be taken out and shot.

Join the Army! Travel to exotic, distant lands. Meet exciting, unusual people, and kill them.
from "Full Metal Jacket"

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:45 PM

2. Dial 911 and run?

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:45 PM

3. I had CPR training when I worked as a hospital orderly...

But that was in the late-1970s so a refresher is due.

Thanks for the link. I'll "attend class" later this weekend.

An afterthought: The opening scene, showing a body lying on the floor of the mall with people passing by, reminds me of a movie I saw recently on DVD. I believe it was a futuristic society (2030s?) when folks would die in public and other folks just passed by. I forgot the title...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:32 PM

22. I took CPR a few years ago - but don't remember a thing, I'm afraid. Thanks for the reminder n/t

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Response to KansDem (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:14 PM

49. Wow, I haven't heard the title orderly in AGES! We had orderlies in our hospital

but in 1979 or 80 the Admin decided we didn't need orderlies and canned them. About 6 months later we hired Transport techs!

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Response to rustydog (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:51 AM

59. "Transport Tech"

Same job, different name?

I was an orderly in an x-ray department for three years. Worked days the first two years and evenings the third. As a day orderly, I assisted with special procedures (arteriograms, angiograms, etc): transported patients to and from their rooms, developed the films, assisted the radiologist, nurse, and techs when needed.

When I went to evenings, I usually transported patients to and from the emergency room in addition to house patients who needed routine chest x-rays for the next day's procedure, and developed films. Also billing and other clerical work.

I learned a lot during the years, about the medical profession and life, in general.

I learned that doctors ran the gamut in competence and ability. There were some truly dedicated: they would be there at 7am and 11pm the same day. And there were some I wouldn't trust with my dog! Real eye-openers! The rest in the middle formed the typical bell-curve. But it was a great experience and education.

Working with the emergency room, I learned a few basic lessons in life:
1) You don't drink a 6-pack of beer and then go for a motorcycle ride;
2) You don't mess around with home-made bombs;
3) You don't swerve into on-coming traffic to avoid hitting a small rodent;
4) You can exit this life at any time with no warning whatsoever.

Worked with some great folks, too!

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:46 PM

4. Give them 2 aspiring and call their doctor

This is actually a thing that should be done. The aspirin part.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:48 PM

8. Only if they are conscious and cam swallow

 

I guarantee somebody in cardiac arrest is neither conscious or can swallow

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:43 PM

54. I stand corrected

Thanks! These are important things to know

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:19 PM

18. Cardiac arrest means that their heart has stopped.. it's not a heart attack.

Big difference. If someone has pain and is having a heart attack, then yes... give aspirin and call 911.

If they are in cardiac arrest, and the heart has stopped, you give CPR pronto!!! They don't suggest mouth to mouth anymore, you just keep the heart pumping until help can arrive.. usually with a defib that can restart it.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:30 PM

37. #1 Cause of death in the US - unexpected sudden cardiac arrest

 

Roughly 1,000 people each day.

It's an electrical problem in the heart that happens suddenly, and the first warning sign is usually unconsciousness. Death follows in 5-10 minutes unless an AED is applied. It's often called a "massive heart attack" in the press, but a heart attack is a plumbing problem rather than an electrical problem, and typically starts with chest pain, etc.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:42 PM

52. Thanks for the clarification

I'm glad for the education

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:37 PM

43. If they are passed out, I presume they are going to choke if you stick aspirin down their throat.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:42 PM

53. I've been set straight on the facts now

Thanks.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:46 PM

5. VERY GOOD to know! Thanks for sharing.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:48 PM

7. great post

I did pass it on.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:49 PM

9. Very cool--idiot proof directions, too. Thanks! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:56 PM

13. That was my impression too

 

It also incorporated the new CPR icky free instructions protocols.

Fun fact, they removed the breathing part since stopping every fifteen compressions actually dropped Presure to zero, and you had to work to reestablish it.

Second fun fact, this was developed in Tucson and first deployed by Tucson EMS.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:54 PM

10. Yes. n/t

 

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:54 PM

11. good to see but these AEDs...

 

what is that acronym stand for and where exactly are they available - just malls?

what country was this filmed in?

I was going to forward this to some people I know because the beginning looked very practical ... then the AED thing threw me off.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:07 PM

14. Automated External Defibrillator

in 2001 when I started my medic training, it was predicted by our instructor that AEDs will become commonplace, and eventually an organization or building management would be sued because they _didnt_ have AED available.

Most civil installations have them, look in your airports, city and county buildings. Malls should al have them. My university had them.

the AED is a very good tool to have in the hands of someone with actual experience. Don't get thrown though, CPR will work like it always has on its own.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:41 PM

23. "Don't get thrown though, CPR will work like it always has on its own." As this article

proves:

http://www.historiccity.com/2012/staugustine/news/florida/teamwork-spares-life-of-68-year-old-runner-28612

Teamwork spares life of 68-year-old runner


During the running of this week’s Summer Shotgun Race hosted by the City of Palm Coast, Historic City News learned that five runners had to take a break from the competition after a fellow runner collapsed in cardiac arrest.

...

After the race began, these five runners were surprised when a 68-year-old man collapsed on the route. He was described as unconscious and unresponsive. The group immediately began CPR, trading off applications, until emergency medical services arrived.

The victim regained consciousness and was transported to Florida Hospital Flagler.

At the last report, he was expected to recover from the episode.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:42 PM

45. Just because it worked on one guy, doesn't mean it will work for everybody.

Vast majority of people who go into cardiac arrest outside of the hospital are going to end up dead.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #45)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 06:05 PM

47. If there is no AED available, as in the case I posted about, CPR can save the life of a person

who is in cardiac arrest.

Will it work in every case? No. Of course not. But the chances it will work are far better than not doing the CPR, because without it, the person will not survive.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:46 PM

62. According to American Heart Association, vast majority of people in cardiac arrest die if cardiac

arrest happens outside the hospital. CPR does significantly improve chances of survival, but by no means guarantees it.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:56 PM

25. Will a taser work?

 

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Response to randome (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:19 PM

30. No

Tasers can have the opposite effect, inducing arrhythmia which can lead to cardiac arrest. The actual voltage of a taser jolt is MUCH higher than from an AED. It would be extremely dangerous (possibly fatal) to use one on a cardiac-arrest patient.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:08 PM

28. I didn't even know those existed until last week's episode of Breaking Bad

Sometimes TV can be helpful

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:43 PM

39. We have them at work and I don't think they will work that way

There are some sensors on stickies that have to be deployed before the unit will operate and if it detects a heartbeat it won't work. At least that's what they told us in training.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:52 PM

40. We have them at work

CPR, first aid, and AED training is offered free of charge for us once per year. Unfortunately most employees don't take advantage.

Sadly we had an 80 year old employee who died in his office chair, a coworker found him after several minutes had gone by. He called 911, but didn't tell anyone else so nobody knew about it till the ambulance arrived. I would have at least tried the AED and/or CPR had I found him.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:10 PM

15. Automated External Defibrillator They are located in malls, schools, office buildings,

grocery stores, etc.

I know I've seen at least two in some of the school I'm in.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:55 PM

12. You'll need a 120 volt capacamater STAT.

 

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:13 PM

16. Thank you! I volunteered to try out our AED's at work..

...we have a division that makes them. These are wonderful devices, and they are all over these days - I'd love to have one in my car. The 1st 5 minutes are crucial - after that, the person has less and less of a chance of survival.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:08 PM

57. Do you mean you volunteered to be defibrillated?

 

Yikes!

Actually, they won't deliver a shock if your not in cardiac arrrest.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:14 PM

17. I usually just throw my hands in the air and...



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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:20 PM

19. Compressions.

and tell someone to call 911.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:22 PM

20. k&r n/t

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:25 PM

21. There's a woman alive somewhere in Pittsburgh b/c of this

My SO, Ralph, who learned CPR when he was in college, came upon a young woman having an MI on a busy street in Philadelphia. He gave her CPR while the cops in the area called an ambulance, cleared out the gawkers, and cleared the street. When EMR arrived, they had Ralph continue CPR while they got her ready to shock and move.

Long story, but because both he and the MI victim worked for the same organization (without knowing it), he was tracked down, recognized by the city and by the Red Cross (the victim was out of the hospital by that time, and gave him a bouquet of flowers)

The newer procedures are a lot easier than the old ones he used.

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Response to Patiod (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 11:15 PM

65. wow--that's AMAZING

Good for him!

It must be the most incredible feeling for him to know he's saved someone's life... and even more incredible for the woman to know her life was saved. That's fantastic!

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Response to renate (Reply #65)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:25 AM

67. Amazing for him, and for her mother

Before we moved, her mom used to call us every Thanksgiving (it happened two days before Thanksgiving).

He has occasionally interrupted a discussion or argument with "hello? anyone here save a life - raise your hand. No one else? I didn't think so" So there's that to deal with

Funny story - my best girlfriend is from Pittsburgh. She was home for Thanksgiving, and her little brother was telling the family about his friend Becky: "Hey, mom, you know your friend Marie? You remember she didn't want her daughter Becky moving to Philadelphia because she was sure Becky would get raped and murdered? Well it turns out Becky had a heart attack out on the street, and some total stranger gave her CPR and saved her life." My friend told her family "well actually, he might have been a stranger to Becky, but he's Patiod's boyfriend."

Small state, huh?

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:54 PM

24. Thanks, am sending this to all the family, etc

Both my husband and i have heart problems and would certainly
appreciate someone helping us if the need arises....the kids all work in offices where i seriously doubt if there is an AED..hopefully this will alert someone
to install one...should lower the insurance rates, too.....thanks imonster

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Response to Zoigal (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:02 PM

26. You're welcome. But remember, the CPR works too... you just have to have more

than one person doing it, so they can trade off when one gets to tired.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:33 PM

42. I think this video was prepared by an AED manufacturer

 

So naturally they downplay the old-fashioned CPR.

A training video with up-to-date CPR methods would probably be more useful but wouldn't swell any corporate coffers.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:39 PM

44. CPR imroves chances of survival, but by no means guarantees it.

IF AED is available, then obviously it should be used.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:05 PM

27. K&R !!! n/t

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:10 PM

29. i took a class

many years ago. i'm going through it in my mind before i click on the link. thank you for sharing

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Response to barbtries (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:24 PM

31. you'd better update your training, b/c a lot of the technique has evolved.

A fairly recent change is the distance to compress: one-third of the thickness of the patient's body. This is appropriate for adults, younger children, and infants.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:55 PM

32. While giving CPR, sing THIS.

Even better, have it ready on your iPod and keep beat to the music.



It wouldn't hurt to have TWO copies.




If you're caught with it, just look for someone in their 50s, wearing a polyester blend and listening to their iPod (or Walkman).

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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #32)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:00 PM

33. As crazy as that sounds, our instructor (cpr, first aid etc) actually advocated for this!

It has just the right rhythm.

ty.

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kesha

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Response to auntAgonist (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:04 PM

34. Wha? You can't tell when I'm sirius?

Woof! (Sirius is the dog star.)

((You probably thought it was Rin-Tin-Tin. Or Lassie.))

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:09 PM

35. Happened to my 26-yo nephew.

No warning. No previous history. He just collapsed. Luckily his friend and his friend's mother called 911 without delay. His friend applied CPR under the operator's instructions. He was also lucky that the house was within two blocks of a fire station (and the city hadn't laid off those firefighters).

They shocked him once and his heart went back into rhythm. The hospital gave him hypothermia therapy.

When he awoke, he couldn't remember anything for three days before the incident. So, he was right on edge of having his brain die. You have six minutes to get the heart restarted before brain damage starts to occur.

My nephew owes his life to his friend, is friend's mother, and of course, to the firefighters.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:28 PM

36. Thank you for sharing! Learned a lot. nt

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:39 PM

38. k & r

Thank you!

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 05:03 PM

46. Check their wallet/purse for a voter registration card (or look at bumper stickers)

 

Depending on their affiliation...

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 06:43 PM

48. The very first thing you do

is get help or call 911.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:29 PM

51. First step, correct them on using cardiac arrest as a verb AFTER they are stabilized.

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Response to slampoet (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:38 PM

60. The English language is VERY flexible. We have many, many verbs today that started

out as nouns. And more than a few nouns that started out as verbs. And using "cardia arrests" as a verb has been quite common for some time now.

So, grammar police officer slampoet, it's time for you to get your certification updated. :p

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Response to 1monster (Reply #60)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:56 PM

64. If you can't find a citation you insult me.

You are sad.

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Response to slampoet (Reply #64)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 11:26 PM

66. I thought you were adding some levity to important subject and threw some back at

you. Now I see that your were serious. Perhaps you need to grow a bit of a thicker skin if you were insulted by that, because it was not my intention to insult you. (At least not before I read your reply.)

But truthfully, using nouns as verbs is something that we English speakers have been doing for many years in this country.

Examples: (I didn't make any of these sentences up.)

They railroaded the accused man.

I could never marry a man like Jim, who spends his life tomcatting around town.

We shoehorned in a version of the new software that the old computer could accept. (This one was in a
company's technical manual.)

And guess what? Sometimes in English, verbs are used as nouns, such as in, oh say, cardiac ARREST. Arrest is a verb.





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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:10 PM

58. k&r...

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:53 PM

63. Read him his rites.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:34 AM

68. LOL, do patent leather shoes shine up?

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #68)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:02 PM

69. As I recall,

 

yes.

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