What Conor Lamb, the "conservative," actually campaigned for.

[pnwmom]

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Conor Lamb campaigned:
1. For universal health care
2. Against Trump’s tax cut
3. For expanded background checks
4. For stronger unions
5. Against cuts to Social Security
6. For a woman’s right to choose
7. For medical marijuana

“Conservative Democrat.” Ok. Cool.

[sheshe2]

1. K&R for Conor Lamb!

[Me.]

3. Jinx You Owe Me A Coke

we clocked in at the same exact time

[Me.]

2. Thank You

Maybe now we can cut out the nonsense. Also, another thing...I believe white women who previously voted for the Comrade in the WH are fed up and voted for Lamb and made a difference. So there's a lot of hooey being talked about the reason he won today and how DEms are going to have to trim their sails.

[Cha]

13. Good point, Me.. it has to be!

Conor Lamb cut into the 2016 white women for trump vote. After this long.. he's lost the shine off his turd.

repubs on Conor's WIN!..

Link to tweet

Me

[Me.]

15. Talk About Nuts

They don't know their arm from their hind leg.

[Caliman73]

19. more sinister than that...and pathetic.

Their ideology CANNOT be wrong so they fit any facts that present themselves around their preferred narrative. It is really childish and sad, but unfortunately, it is also dangerous.

[Blue_true]

4. Conservative only to the foolish Our Revolution types. nt

[zentrum]

20. No need to call people foolish.

They vote Democratic when push comes to shove and they show up.

[TheSmarterDog]

21. And yet Trump is sitting in the Oval Office because of them.

If they act foolishly (like attacking Democrats) they should be called foolish.

[zentrum]

22. Critiquing Democrats

…is not attacking. Even Perez is critiquing the party in order to save it.

Most Bernie supporters voted for her in the general. They did not put Trump in the Oval Office. Our most progressive state came out for her in the general and she won there—because of 3M more voters, huge numbers of which were Bernie supporters and self-defined progressives.

If the Dems lost the electoral college it's because the HRC campaign made huge mistakes in not putting resources and visits into swing states and every Dem leader, including HRC, is admitting that. They are starting to change their messaging as well and recognizing they need to talk more about worker's issues, and economic issues and spend less time just attacking Trump, as they did in the general campaign. Do you even read the kinds of things good Democratic leaders are now saying about how the party needs to change?

Have you noticed how 17 Dems voted with Repugs to deregulate the Obama era bank regulations? This needs critiquing.

[TheSmarterDog]

23. Real, constructive critiques don't include an explicit threat to withhold support.

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People who campaign against Democrats are not liberals or progressives.

[KPN]

30. Not true. Trump sits there for a lot of reasons. You could say that about any one of them.

[TheSmarterDog]

35. And if any one of those reasons had been different, HRC would be in the WH.

The people on the Left who opposed Clinton believe the same lies about her that the people on the Right who opposed Clinton believe. That MAKES them foolish.

And those on the Left who opposed Clinton and withheld their support are wholly responsible for putting Trump in the WH, just as the Russian interference, the RW gerrymandering, the voter purges, the lies pushed by the RW media, etc etc. are each are wholly responsible also.

[KPN]

64. Speculation. You don't know why people on the left

who chose not to vote or voted for another candidate did so. Claiming it was because of believing in Russian bot lies is a total fabrication with zero substantiation. Stop blaming people on the left here on DU. It serves no useful purpose when most if not all of them ( here at DU) are Democrats who vote for Democrats.

[Hortensis]

41. True, but sadly betrayal by SOME on the left is one of them.

The numbers in those three key states ALONE proved that.

Their betrayal was not of Democrats of course, because none of us registered as Dems have an overriding duty to vote Dem, but betrayal of their own professed beliefs and goals.

Of course, their small numbers are nothing to those of the 40% who didn't vote at all (subtracting substantially for those disabled by age and other causes). Since the hard right votes in higher numbers and thus are less represented in this group, and since America's majority voters chose Democrat, it's reasonable to assume comfortably over half would have voted Democrat -- had they bothered.

[Blue_true]

66. I agree with you on the 43% non voters or writeins.

Unfortunately, in many states, those foolish enough to writein would have counted as a non vote. Let's say the real non vote was 37-38%. You make an incisive point, the hard right was all in for Trump, my guess is 100% of them were sure to vote. So the 37-38% that did not vote at all was likely overwhelmingly voted for Clinton if they had made an effort to vote. The negative behavior of Our Revolution surely affected those people and caused them to stay home, IMO.

[Hortensis]

72. Well, that would be an incredible effect for a minority of

pissant deluded hypocrites, imo. Forgive me if I really hope and believe you're wrong.

Let's remember that of those politically involved, over 90% of genuine Democratic voters* who had voted for her opponent supported Hillary when she became our nominee, leaving some of the remainder to join the radical militia who've been sniping from the ideological woods and others to straggle over to Stein or just not vote.

These real numbers are very revealing. Nothing like perspective for understanding.



* Pew's term after subtracting hostile conservative crossover voters who had no intention of voting Democrat for president.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

60. Jesus Christ. Are we pretending he isn't a conservative Dem?

Because he is. And I get that is what was needed to win that seat.

But if you are going to argue that we need to keep pushing the party to the right and that those of us that want the party to stay to it's liberal roots are "Our Revolution types" then sign me the fuck up for that revolution. Because if the Dems just sell out completely to the middle, then fuck that.

[Blue_true]

67. Our Revolution are anarchists.

The runoff elections in Texas will be informative, if the Our Revolution candidates lose, but turn around and fully support the nominee, then I will take them seriously. What I expect from them if they lose the runoff is to throw a shitstorm and make it harder for the democrat to win the General.

[Blue_true]

68. BTW.

Lamb is not conservative:

Abortion: Pro-Life BUT feel that womens' right to chose should not be violated by laws.

Worker rights: Pro Union, Pro fair trade that does not victimize workers.

Tax Cuts: Clearly stated while campaigning that tax cuts done by republicans was a giveaway to the rich and corporations.


Guns: Does not support banning guns, but does support a strong background check system where people are fully vetted before they can buy guns.

Education: Support public schools and spending more money on public education.

The only issue that he can be considered remotely conservative on is guns, but Bernie Sanders takes the exact same position. Does Bernie's position on guns make him conservative.

On calling Our Revolution foolish, it is what it is, there is no other appropriate word. When one sees a fucking train speeding down a track at one, but not only do one not jump off the track, but one holds one's compatriots on the track with one, such behavior is fucking foolish, full stop, pure and simple.

[honest.abe]

5. He's a moderate Dem much like Biden and Obama.

Which makes him a good guy on our side!

[Cha]

10. That made him winnable in PA18!

[Hortensis]

42. Exactly. A Democratic winnable fit for the district.

[Cha]

44. And, President Obama & Veep Biden.. sure got a lot of PROGRESS

done.. for what ever label they want to snag them with.

[Hortensis]

47. Exactly. God, I miss their solid good sense and decency.

And their commitment to the liberalism and progressivism our nation was founded on.

[mcar]

6. K&R!

[ProudLib72]

7. JFC, how long did it take to go from jubilation to grumbling about purity?

WTF is wrong with us that we must nitpick every person who comes along?

[Maven]

8. This is an effort by GOPers and some brocialists to dampen Dems' enthusiasm

after what was an absolutely stunning upset victory.

Ignore both groups. We won!

[Hortensis]

43. Oh, for sure professional demotivators and dividers

are busy at work. Don't forget Russia too.

[JI7]

11. This is a response to republicans who try claim lamb won on their issues

[ProudLib72]

14. Ok, but it seems like there have been some other posts about this

I'll just take it as you say: rethugs trying to sow discord.

[KPN]

31. Seems like or there are? Here?

[Cha]

9. And, Conor Lamb himself knew how

communicate that he was the best one for PA18..

Link to tweet

Thank you for this, pnwmom.. It's so Wonderful that Conor Won!

We could be having an entirely different discussion today!

[grantcart]

12. If you want to say hello to the folks that think Lamb is too "conservative to be a Democrat" go here

Use this service to say "hi" or "fuck off" in their mother tongue.

[KPN]

32. +1!

You might also find some folks like that at JPR.

[Demsrule86]

37. Without a doubt...

[Docreed2003]

16. K&r!

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. That agenda is pretty much in line with the DSA.

I don't know what they are talking about.

[KPN]

33. Conor Lamb's agenda?

[BannonsLiver]

18. Just win, baby. - Al Davis

[R B Garr]

24. Great thread!

[IronLionZion]

25. And before the election they claimed he was for Nancy Pelosi style lefty values

and way too liberal for rural western PA

[Hortensis]

55. :) Nancy's values are pretty mainstream Democrat,

Iron. Lamb may be genuinely more centrist on some issues, but he's still clearly liberal in his orientation. He'll fit better with the Democratic caucus serving their common ideology than with the Republican constituents he'll have to learn to also serve.

Fortunately, many of his colleagues will be able to help. Far more legislation is passed in congress than we ever hear about, and VOTERS on the right and left, including the Our Revolution left, actually have most wishes in common. Conscientious and principled politicians usually find ways to serve most.

[PatrickforO]

26. I'm on board with that platform.

[quartz007]

27. House turns democratic after Nov Election!

I am feeling it!

[Hekate]

28. THANK YOU

The garbage that has been posted today has had me on the verge of taking a very long break. All of it -- garbage against Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Conor Lamb.

Probably more I didn't see, but on Monday the hard slam by a DUer on whoever climbed up on a Gun Show billboard and hung 17 crosses from it made me more angry than anything I've ever read here by a DUer.

"Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory"

[pnwmom]

29. You're welcome, Hekate!

[DeminPennswoods]

34. Lamb did a couple things very well

He focused on economic security issues like social security, medicare, healthcare and just as importantly private pensions. This is what, imho, got him a lot of his union support. There has been a systematic assault on pensions by companies ditching, sometimes by declaring bankruptcy, their pension obligations to retirees. Often the pensions are sloughed off to the seriously underfunded federal govt pension guarantee protection board.

He explained how the GOP tax cut will ultimately undermine the gov't's ability to fund social security and medicare/medicaid.

He pointed out how we all pay into social security, medicare, unemployment compensation and all eventually use some or all of those benefits we pay for.

He emphasized he wants government to work and that's what the vast majority of Americans want, too.

[aikoaiko]

36. And shooting AR15s

[IMG][/IMG]

This image from his ads with a voiceover saying “ he still loves shooting” also helped.

[Demsrule86]

39. You have to get elected...notice I have never condemned Sen. Sanders for some of his votes on

guns...he hails from Vermont and must represent his state...and being a gun 'grabber' is a no no in Vermont where people hunt and like guns. I will settle for a majority and increased background checks...otherwise we get nothing.

[aikoaiko]

49. I agree, but Lambs pro-AR15 stance is missing from many OPs on Lambs campaign

I’m for improving gun control but like Lamb I don’t support banning AR15s. I could even go for special restrictions on ARs, but not bans.

As long as Democrats, especially our elected leaders, keep talking about and sending in bills to ban guns, we will jeopardize candidates like Lamb. .

[Demsrule86]

52. I would like to see a ban on assault weapons myself...but you can't always get

what you want...I will settle for increased background checks.

[aikoaiko]

54. And that is what our leadership should say.

It’s nice that you and I have common ground on background checks.

[Demsrule86]

63. Absolutely. We agree on much actually.

[IronLionZion]

48. People can love shooting and still support sensible gun laws

Even the worst Dems will vote correctly on many important economic issues, cabinet confirmations, judicial appointments, etc.

When we finally have a chance to impeach and remove Trump, we're going to need as many votes as possible.

[aikoaiko]

51. Of course. But we are currrently waging a war against AR15 owners with threats of bans.

Like Lamb I dont support gun bans but we do support universal background checks and other methods to reduce gun ills Dd. It gun bans.

[NCTraveler]

50. Pew pew pew! Nt

[aikoaiko]

53. +1

[BlueTsunami2018]

56. Yeah, so? Its quite fun actually.

I see nothing wrong with going to a range, renting one of those guns or even machine guns and blasting away. You just can’t leave with it. Ban them for civilian ownership except by special licensing like they have for machine guns now but allow people to fire them at ranges all they want.

Win/win.

[aikoaiko]

57. Fine for you but Lamb is for civilian ownership of ARs as he currently is.

And you should know that the current version of the proposed AWB would not allow ranges to purchase ARs after the ban goes into effect.

[betsuni]

38. K&R

[oberliner]

40. This is not actually true

He campaigned for:

1. Fighting the heroin crisis

2. Improving infrastructure and job training programs

3. Addressing health care (re-establishing and improving the ACA)

4. Protecting Medicare and Social Security

5. Reforming the student loan system

6. Supporting unions

He did NOT campaign for expanded background checks or for a woman's right to choose. In fact he does not mention either of these topics at all on his campaign website.

[MrsCoffee]

59. Are you trying to claim he is not for womens right to choose regardless of his stance?

Or just trying to muddy the waters?

He is pro-choice. He is a prosecutor who believes that the law is the law and a right is a right. He believes in separation of church and state and opposed Republicans 20 week ban.

Who is going to take you seriously after you ran around claiming Heath Mello was thrown under the bus?

Give me a fucking break.

[oberliner]

62. No, I'm claiming that is not what he campaigned on

Abortion only came up when he was asked about it.

He does not mention the issue on his website (where he has a list of Campaign Priorities) nor did he include the topic in any of his campaign speeches.

The issues he campaigned on were the ones I listed above.

[Blue_true]

69. He talked about expanded background checks and a woman's right to choose.

And he supported both, even though he is personally pro choice and think people should have guns if they pass background checks. Bernie Sanders have pretty much the same position on guns, except Bernie would ban assault weapons.

[oberliner]

70. Only when asked

Neither abortion nor gun control appear anywhere on the Conor Lamb for Congress website.

His campaign website lists seven topics under "My Priorities" : Heroin Crisis, Jobs and Infrastructure, Affordable Health Care, Protecting Medicate and Social Security, Releasing Students from Lifetime Debt Traps, Unions, and Modern Energy Development.

Those were the issues he campaigned on.

[Blue_true]

71. How many people mention every position on their site?

Sort of a petty thing to ring him up for. When asked, he gave workable answers. I certainly prefer him over the republican.

[bullwinkle428]

45. In many ways, Lamb is practically a Bernie disciple! If that makes

heads explode, either on the part of unhinged Bernie-Bros, or absolute party loyalists, so be it. Lamb's victory should be seen as a damn good thing if you're invested in the Democratic party in any way.

[oberliner]

46. In the sense that Bernie prefers not to talk about abortion and gun control

[pnwmom]

61. He's much closer to Joe Biden and other traditional Democrats than to Bernie. nt

[FakeNoose]

58. They only call Conor Lamb "conservative" for one reason

Because of the photo that was widely distributed of him on a rifle range - they made all kinds of assumptions.

Not true! Not conservative, just middle of the road like most other Democrats. No candidate is perfect - the only thing that matters is yep, he's a Democrat.

[DFW]

65. The Republicans never seem to get it, Foxwashed as they all seem to be

You can easily be:

1. For universal health care
2. Against Trump’s tax cut
3. For expanded background checks
4. For stronger unions
5. Against cuts to Social Security
6. For a woman’s right to choose
7. For medical marijuana

and still be conservative (as opposed to "a" conservative as defined in Republicanese).

He seems to dress conservatively, probably doesn't take big risks, probably doesn't do a lot of dope or alcohol, may well have a traditional, unflashy lifestyle. In other words, he could well be conservative. That in NO WAY would prevent him having the seven points of view listed above. Only foxsuckers think that the word "conservative" means the same thing as "right wing extremist."