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Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:32 AM

URGENT! PA election PROVES there is GOP election fraud, vote miscounting, etc. URGENT!

You dont go from a 6 point lead to nothing, you dont have a political party decide at the last minute they wont report votes by precinct and will report them all at once not showing the details, which as I understand happened last night.

It is gonna happen in November too.

Not sure what to do when one political party is willing to openly steal elections.

BTW, counting those votes from the military and so on and some absentee votes? Not done yet, stay tuned.

Anybody have EXIT POLLS we can look at?

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Reply URGENT! PA election PROVES there is GOP election fraud, vote miscounting, etc. URGENT! (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 OP
Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #1
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #3
hueymahl Mar 2018 #2
underpants Mar 2018 #4
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #5
LAS14 Mar 2018 #7
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #9
LAS14 Mar 2018 #10
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #11
mythology Mar 2018 #14
librechik Mar 2018 #6
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #8
librechik Mar 2018 #12
mythology Mar 2018 #13
LanternWaste Mar 2018 #15
FreepFryer Mar 2018 #16

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:34 AM

1. Yep, the party of dirty tricks...

Lee Atwater and Karl Rove showed them the way.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:36 AM

3. BTW I am not doing these threads to DEBATE whether or not the GOP and now also the KGB or FSB

are stealing elections, on election day, flipping votes or improperly reporting the count of votes, I am saying it is absolutely happening.

Happened in the prez election.

Happened last night in PA and is GOING to happen in November and we need to figure out what the FUCK to do about it!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:35 AM

2. MSNBC is reporting that the total of all military and provisional ballets is less than the margin.

The absentee ballet counting is done - Lamb won those too.

I expect a recount, but I don't expect it to change anything.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:36 AM

4. A lot of people make their decision at the last moment

That has been verified several times. Pollsters have to make some assumptions about reflecting demographics with their sample set and use past trends in an area's voting.

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Response to underpants (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:37 AM

5. Sorry, not by that much. And did they do exit polls? I am asking, do you have any I can look at?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:41 AM

7. I heard on CNN that there were no exit polls. nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:42 AM

9. Right, so when Karl Rove and company made those irrelevant by stealing elections like in Ohio

this is the result.

Why dont people talk about this?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:45 AM

10. I don't talk about it because I don't know anything about it. Links? nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:48 AM

11. sure

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/nov/04/marketingandpr.uselections2004


More out there, you see exit polls USED to be accurate until 2004, weird that, eh!

And now these same articles pointing out how wrong the exit polls were are arguing there are reasons for that, if so why not before 2004?
I think I know.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:07 PM

14. That's because you're looking at exactly one poll

You're doing it wrong and just look foolish. You're cherry picking a single poll because it suits the story you want to believe. The average of polls had the race a statistical tie with Lamb up +2 well within the margin of error. You aren't being honest when you say Lamb was up by 6 based on one outlier poll, but don't acknowledge it was an outlier.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:39 AM

6. I've been screaming about this since 2000. Nobody wants to believe it. So itnever gets fixed.

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Response to librechik (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:41 AM

8. The added twist these days are the russians. Obviously the GOP will do anything to steal an

election but are often limited to what they can do by circumstance.

Question now is how deep is the KGB or FSB, at the GOP request, in our system?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:51 AM

12. word . n/t

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:59 AM

13. Oh for fucks sake this is wrong

One poll had Lamb up by 6 points. The RealClearPolitics and 538 average was 2 points.

Taking one poll ad absolute evidence is just utterly uninformed. Even the best poll has a 1 in 20 chance of being wrong.

Secondly exit polls in the U.S. aren't designed to detect fraud.

These claims of fraud, always supported with incorrect assumptions at best, need to stop. It's just as silly as Republicans claiming in person voter fraud is a thing.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:11 PM

15. What is the purpose of focusing on one poll only

What is the purpose of focusing on one poll only, and ignoring its margin of error?

And just a heads-up: conflating 'proof' and 'evidence' weakens your position.

"word"

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:29 PM

16. Suggestions of illegitimacy regarding our elections without any proof only undermine our democracy.

Electoral fraud is very real (in contrast to the GOP's focus on voter fraud, which is all-but-nonexistent). And I certainly wouldn't put it past the GOP, given their track record.

My suggestion re this post, however, would be to either:
1. show some proof, or
2. stop providing cover to the GOP by mimicking Trumpisms and in so doing, contributing to Putinist goals of delegitimization of our democratic process.

Oct 19, 2016 - LAS VEGAS A defiant Donald Trump used the high-profile setting of the final presidential debate here Wednesday night to amplify one of the most explosive charges of his candidacy: that if he loses the election, he might consider the results illegitimate because the process is rigged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-wont-commit-to-accepting-election-results-if-he-loses/2016/10/19/9c9672e6-9609-11e6-bc79-af1cd3d2984b_story.html


So - I'm looking forward to your rational, calm posts containing proof.

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