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Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:02 AM

APNewsBreak: Green Party candidate was on state GOP payroll


https://apnews.com/amp/aae15528a9fe415282402c4e14090c75

APNewsBreak: Green Party candidate was on state GOP payroll
By MATT VOLZ

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A man who registered as a Green Party candidate for Montana's U.S. Senate race was on the state Republican Party's payroll and heads a newly formed anti-tax group, according to a review of election documents.

Timothy Adams filed as a challenger Monday against Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, who faces a tough re-election campaign, in a race where a Green Party candidate could siphon votes from the Democrat.

The Green Party qualified as a political party in Montana on Monday, which was also the state's deadline for candidates to file for office. Green Party officials blasted an email that morning to solicit candidates who could register by the day's end.

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Adams' name and phone number is the same as the treasurer of Montanans Against Higher Taxes, a group formed to oppose a legislative referendum on the ballot this fall for a 10-year property tax extension for the state's university system.

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Reply APNewsBreak: Green Party candidate was on state GOP payroll (Original post)
emulatorloo Mar 2018 OP
Leith Mar 2018 #1
emulatorloo Mar 2018 #2
Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #3
SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #39
Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #44
Roland99 Mar 2018 #4
Cha Mar 2018 #5
dalton99a Mar 2018 #7
Cha Mar 2018 #10
Me. Mar 2018 #27
R B Garr Mar 2018 #36
dalton99a Mar 2018 #6
Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #8
DFW Mar 2018 #9
DownriverDem Mar 2018 #19
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #20
DFW Mar 2018 #21
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #22
DFW Mar 2018 #25
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #31
DFW Mar 2018 #33
R B Garr Mar 2018 #37
JI7 Mar 2018 #11
KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #13
DownriverDem Mar 2018 #18
betsuni Mar 2018 #12
Doodley Mar 2018 #14
Blue_true Mar 2018 #24
Achilleaze Mar 2018 #15
DownriverDem Mar 2018 #17
DownriverDem Mar 2018 #16
Blue_true Mar 2018 #23
awesomerwb1 Mar 2018 #26
MineralMan Mar 2018 #28
DFW Mar 2018 #38
diva77 Mar 2018 #52
Puzzler Mar 2018 #29
workinclasszero Mar 2018 #30
R B Garr Mar 2018 #35
sheshe2 Mar 2018 #32
R B Garr Mar 2018 #34
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #40
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #42
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #47
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #41
lpbk2713 Mar 2018 #43
DinahMoeHum Mar 2018 #45
Hassler Mar 2018 #46
summer_in_TX Mar 2018 #48
TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #49
Nitram Mar 2018 #50
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #51
ecstatic Mar 2018 #53

Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:06 AM

1. Typical of rethug Dirty Tricks

They can't win by being honest, trustworthy, or having a decent plan for the electorate, so they have to resort to cheating and lying.

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Response to Leith (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:07 AM

2. You nailed it

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Response to Leith (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:14 AM

3. SOP

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:09 PM

39. This is a criminal violation

I don’t recall all the details but about 1 years ago a 2 people in SC were convicted and given fines and I think about 2 years on probation for this.
The violation was presenting yourself in a fraudulent manner with intent to influence an election.

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Response to Leith (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:10 PM

44. +1

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:33 AM

4. They will stoop to NO low!!

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:38 AM

5. Imagine that.. a sneaky green party

candidate.. I've seen that before.

em

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Response to Cha (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:40 AM

7. Hey, there was one that did a job for Putin

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:50 AM

10. yeah, that's the one. nm

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Response to Cha (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:24 PM

27. My Oh My

who could that be......

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Response to Cha (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:59 PM

36. Yes, I remember that one...

hmmm

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:38 AM

6. Kick

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:42 AM

8. We are not taking the high road. We ARE the high road and we...

Have to fight the same way!

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:48 AM

9. This is an old Republican tactic

They have been doing stuff like this for years. Imagine if there had been a fake "Green" candidate in PA-18, siphoning off 1% of Lamb's votes? Say hello to Rep. Saccone, R-PA. This is EXACTLY what they hope to accomplish in Montana.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:03 PM

19. And repubs wonder

why I abhor them so much.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:09 PM

20. It is indeed.

It is just one one of many reasons why I will never even consider voting third party in anything but the most local of races and rarely give it a thought there either

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:31 PM

21. It is also a sign that their power people are not as deranged as we'd like them to be

They ignore their own rhetoric (wise move) and know perfectly well that if elections were held fairly without dirty tricks or money, with the message they are currently offering, they lose. They lose badly. It won't help them screaming that it was God's will (translation: their will) that they govern, if the voters' will says otherwise.

If they cheat to win, and get away with it, that's another story entirely. Who the hell is Jill Stein and where does she get the money to mount a national campaign serious enough to deny Hillary the numbers to take the White House? How do enough lies about Hillary get broadcast and printed around the country to make her "loss" seem to be her own fault? Who finances that dissemination? Why is it that voter suppression movements are instigated exclusively by Republicans, and directed exclusively at voting groups who tend to vote Democratic?

Their nuts and bolts people know what the score is, and how much they need to cheat to beat it.

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Response to DFW (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:48 PM

22. It has gotten to the point where I always notice it when a Republican seemingly shows integrity

It has become almost a profile in courage moment when one of them legitimately does so. I agree with you completely. Actually I wrote an OP somewhat about that theme which pretty much sank like a stone here, so I doubt you caught it. It was kind of dense so that might help explain it sinking, lol. Here it is if you are interested:

Republicans ushered in Autocracy when they undermined Democracy
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210336029

Lately I've given a little thought to who was helping the P.U.M.A. movement in 2008. That manifestation was small potatoes compared to the social media etc.misinformation and disruption tactics employed in 2016, but it may have been a precursor. If Putin etc. had been up to speed to go full in on manipulating passions left over from the Obama/Clinton campaign, things could have gotten a whole lot uglier faster. I give real credit to Hillary for her work to counter that, but some of it went on anyway and it would have grown farther anyway had more forces been throwing gasoline onto that fire. I was traveling in some online circles at the time where PUMA thinking nonetheless did take root, and I lost a lot of important online relationships because of my refusal to have any part in that thinking.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:21 PM

25. I would have caught little on March 9

That was one of my most intensive work days, getting up at 6 in the morning and finishing around 11 PM, probably didn't get to bed before 1 AM (I am getting too old for this shit). Few Catalans are up at 6 if they don't have to be, but few are in bed before midnight, either, and my work day spanned it all, since I was on their turf. I'm the only one in my organization who speaks Catalan, so it's not like I could have called in the cavalry to come to my relief, either. Obviously, they all speak and understand Spanish as well, but if they're at home, they definitely prefer to speak their own language. If they have to deal with an American, they will turn first to the one that they know speaks it.

Anyway, suffice it to say that I probably missed most posts on that day, and would not have missed yours under normal circumstances--to the extent that I have any normal circumstances to begin with.

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Response to DFW (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:37 PM

31. I remember those work days, and I have a little insight into yours...

I definitely am too old for that shit. May your days be long (in years) and short (in work hours). I doubt that your organization makes speaking Catalan a high priority for new hires. You deserve a raise. Good talking to you

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:55 PM

33. You are correct, of course

I don't think we've ever hired anyone based on their fluency in Catalan. With me, it was perk that came with the package. I learned Catalan while living in Barcelona in the late sixties, before I had even learned my first words of German.

I don't think it would be wise on my part to request a raise at this point. The obvious retort would be "what makes YOU so special (other than speaking Catalan)?" And I would be hard-put to come up with an answer. Being able to order xuxos in the original is not high on their list of indispensable assets.

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Response to DFW (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 03:03 PM

37. Interesting! You word things with the best analyses.

They literally play both ends against the middle.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:53 AM

11. the Green Party has been a Troll Party with the Goal of Helping Republicans win for Years Now

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:45 AM

13. They should be required to relabel their parties..

The Red Republican Party and

The Green Republican Party.

Maybe we should start a fourth party designed to suck votes away from them!

.............

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:02 PM

18. Yep

Their followers need to wake up. Your choice is Dem or repub. No? Then go and vote for the repub because by voting green you help them.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 03:06 AM

12. K&R

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:52 AM

14. A smart Dem campaign would turn this into a positive advantage

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Response to Doodley (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:56 PM

24. I agree. Tester is a tough cookie, expect him to turn this against republicans

and make them own it.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:25 AM

15. KGOP has no honor. No loyalty to America or American democracy.

Disgraceful.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:00 PM

17. Their only goal

Winning!

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:58 PM

16. We need to get the word out

We have a two party system (Dems & repubs) no matter what others say. Being a left leaning purist will hand it to the repub. I know no one in Montana, but if you do please get the word out.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:53 PM

23. Shout his connections loud from rooftops, start now.

There are ways to defeat this.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:23 PM

26. Where's Soros and the "Deep State"

when we need them?


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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:24 PM

28. And to think it all started with Ralph Nader

Who knew?

(Pssst....some of us knew....)

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 03:37 PM

38. Nader's pals were smarter than Sarkozy in France

The Greens in Germany were the first environmentalist-progressive party to gain enough credibility (after shedding their East German-financed "Fundalos," or fundamentalists) to become a credible movement and then a credible political party that has been in national coalitions and even held the foreign ministry (Joschka Fischer, who did a good job). They were (and still are) taken quite seriously in Germany, and the name is now a mainstay here.

On the other hand, the name "Republican" is the kiss of death in Western Europe. It was first used in recent times when a former SS officer tried to start a neo-Nazi party here in Germany in the 1980s. The Nazi ("National" in German is pronounced Nah-tsee-oh-NAHL, hence the abbreviation, NAH-tsee) party is and was forbidden here, so he looked around for a party with similar views, whose name he could use. With Reagan's Republicans, he found his inspiration, hence "Die Republikaner." The Republicans under Reagan didn't appreciate being the inspiration for a group of German neo-Nazis being led by a former SS officer, but they couldn't do much more than keep quiet about it. The German Republikaner are all but defunct now, though their current bourgeois soulmates, the AfD, are worrying.

Sarkozy thought he'd unite the French center-right with a brand that had some success in the USA. Ignoring the failed German version, he renamed his movement "Les Républicains," just in time for Trump to emerge. oops. Pas très sage (not very smart), Monsieur Sarko. You should have tried "Les Démocrates." Trop tard (too late).

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:52 AM

52. Did you forget the sarcasm smilie? Better to put the blame on Florida SOS Katherine Harris and Karl

Rove, amongst other rethugs whose efforts stole the election for Dubya in 2000.

http://www.gregpalast.com/floridas-flawed-voter-cleansing-program-saloncoms-politics-story-of-the-year/
Florida’s flawed “voter-cleansing” program – Salon.com’s politics story of the year

Monday, December 4, 2000

If Vice President Al Gore is wondering where his Florida votes went, rather than sift through a pile of chad, he might want to look at a "scrub list" of 173,000 names targeted to be knocked off the Florida voter registry by a division of the office of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris. A close examination suggests thousands of voters may have lost their right to vote based on a flaw-ridden list that included purported "felons" provided by a private firm with tight Republican ties.

Early in the year, the company, ChoicePoint, gave Florida officials a list with the names of 8,000 ex-felons to "scrub" from their list of voters.

But it turns out none on the list were guilty of felonies, only misdemeanors. The company acknowledged the error, and blamed it on the original source of the list -- the state of Texas.

Florida officials moved to put those falsely accused by Texas back on voter rolls before the election. Nevertheless, the large number of errors uncovered in individual counties suggests that thousands of eligible voters may have been turned away at the polls.
SNIP
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http://www.gregpalast.com/one-million-black-votes-didnt-count-in-the-2000-presidential-election-rnits-not-too-hard-to-get-your-vote-lost-if-some-politicians-want-it-to-be-lost/

One Million Black Votes Didn’t Count in The 2000 Presidential Election…

Sunday, June 20, 2004

...It’s Not Too Hard To Get Your Vote Lost -- If Some Politicians Want it To Be Lost

by Greg Palast
In the 2000 presidential election, 1.9 million Americans cast ballots that no one counted. "Spoiled votes" is the technical term. The pile of ballots left to rot has a distinctly dark hue: About 1 million of them -- half of the rejected ballots -- were cast by African Americans although black voters make up only 12 percent of the electorate.
SNIP
While investigating the 2000 ballot count in Florida for BBC Television, I saw firsthand how the spoilage game was played -- with black voters the predetermined losers.

Florida's Gadsden County has the highest percentage of black voters in the state -- and the highest spoilage rate. One in 8 votes cast there in 2000 was never counted. Many voters wrote in "Al Gore." Optical reading machines rejected these because "Al" is a "stray mark."

By contrast, in neighboring Tallahassee, the capital, vote spoilage was nearly zip; every vote counted. The difference? In Tallahassee's white- majority county, voters placed their ballots directly into optical scanners. If they added a stray mark, they received another ballot with instructions to correct it.

In other words, in the white county, make a mistake and get another ballot; in the black county, make a mistake, your ballot is tossed.

The U.S. Civil Rights Commission looked into the smelly pile of spoiled ballots and concluded that, of the 179,855 ballots invalidated by Florida officials, 53 percent were cast by black voters. In Florida, a black citizen was 10 times as likely to have a vote rejected as a white voter.
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https://www.wired.com/2007/08/sequoia-voting/
Sequoia Voting Systems Responsible for 2000 Presidential Debacle?

Author: Kim Zetter 08.15.07

SNIP Now new questions are being raised about who was responsible for the faulty punch cards in that election. And according to last night's Dan Rather Reports episode, the fingers point to Sequoia Voting Systems, which not only makes e-voting machines that replaced punch cards but also created the punch cards that failed in Florida.

Rather and his producers spoke with several former workers of Sequoia who revealed that in 2000 the company changed the paper stock it used for punch cards to paper made by Boise Cascade and that they knew before the election that the punch cards that Sequoia was producing would cause problems. In fact, pre-election testing by Sequoia showed that the cards were not punching cleanly and that dangling chads were going to be a likely problem in the election. The original transcript from the Rather program is difficult to read because it lacks punctuation and paragraph breaks, but I've added paragraph breaks here so you can understand more clearly what the workers told Rather. You can also watch the entire Dan Rather report, The Trouble with Touch Screens SNIP

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

29. Not surprised




-Puzzler

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:35 PM

30. Always knew they only exist to elect

republicans.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:57 PM

35. +++Proven fact. nt

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:38 PM

32. Cheaters!

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:56 PM

34. WOW! Green, my ass

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:13 PM

40. He probably did join the Green Party so why did they let him run under their

banner...the greens are slime.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:07 PM

42. He has not and never will run under the Green party banner

Its a sneaky trick by Republicans to try and win a Green primary in order to run. I suspect once he is vetted and outed, he won't get many votes to be their candidate, as he is diametrically opposed to the Green party platform.


but you knew that,
or maybe you just had a knee jerk reaction and filled in your own blanks to suit your own narrative.


So a party who have "10 key points, which include ending war, halting dependence on fossil fuels and advocating for social justice" is "slime"? Please list any other points of their platform that you disapprove of to show they are nothing but 'slime'. Either you support those ideals or you do not. If you hear someone standing beside you in a rally for women's rights, or against a war, or for any other social justice cause, and you overhear them admit they voted Green, are they instantly 'slime'?


I don't get why some can't see the Greens as a force to usurp, them being in contention for votes on the left rather than paint them an evil Putin loving Republican dirty trick. It does no good for your own credibility when you exaggerate a threat to such ridiculous levels. The Libertarian party is mostly a contender on right for Republicans. The Libertarians received 3x the votes of what the Greens got, yet I don't hear half the vitriol aimed at them from Republican voters that I hear on here by self-described progressives against the Greens.

If the Republicans came out hard against the anti-government, anti-tax Libertarians and invented an easily reputed CT against them, saying they are secretly working for George Soros, or the Clinton Foundation. Maybe they found a Democrat that was registering as a Lib to try and get on their ballot (for instance), and so declared the whole Libertarian party a sham full of slimeballs....well that would probably just piss off a lot of traditional Libertarians who, once they discovered it was all smears, would only harden their support for the L Party and maybe even help recruit more.

Republicans know how to deal with their third party contention. Ignore them while stealing enough of their platform to make sure they never become a real threat. Blabbing on and on about how they are such an insidious evil threat full of duplicitous candidates who are secretly working for Trump only raises their profile, if only that it will spark a pushback.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 12:14 AM

47. No I don't know that...don't see how the Greens don't know he is not one of them...they

do have registration right? Did you ever consider it was fine with them as long as it took out a Democrat? Are you defending the Green Party...sorry, don't waste your time...I am convinced they colluded with the Russians and Assange-maybe even the Trump campaign...they have taken Republican money and have run candidates deliberately to cause us to lose in the past. I blame them completely for Gore's loss and all the shit that came as a result...There were enough stupid people who voted for the lying Green slime to give Hillary the win in 16.The Green slime is a terrible party and should change their name as they have damaged the environment horribly by helping to elect Republicans...and all of their talking points are lies fairy tales made up to fool stupid people who join them because they buy their obvious bullshit...they can go to hell...and take the Russian Princess Jill Stein with them...so hoping she is indicted.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:19 PM

41. In what is in practice a two-party system, Greens are useful idiots.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:09 PM

43. Divide and conquer.




It worked against Al Gore.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:41 PM

45. GREEN: Getting Republicans Elected Every November

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:54 PM

46. A friend of Jill Stein and Putin

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 12:55 AM

48. Legal approach and a humorous media campaign?

Since this Green Party connection seems to be a pattern, in Adams' case and Jill Stein's anyway, I wish someone would come up with a catchy little ear worm of a song that tells the story of this guy and of Stein in a way that sticks and can quickly be used in all kinds of campaigns where it's tight and they've got a Green running.

The refrain could be phrased as questions - less likely to be shut down by legal action as libelous. (Wish I had talent in this area. My husband does but this isn't the kind of songwriting that he'd enjoy.)

And then pursuing the illegality would underline the truth of the message about Adams and by extension makes the other connections credible.

Video version could show Jill and Putin, documentation for Adams' GOP connection.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 02:01 AM

49. Submit a candidate to run as a Libertarian to siphon votes from the GOP candidate.

Ron Johnson garnished more votes than Jill Stein in 2016.

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:06 AM

50. Will he be charged with a crime? Isn't that conspiracy and/or fraud?

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:11 AM

51. How is that legal?!

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Response to emulatorloo (Original post)

Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:00 AM

53. Greens need to stop being so gullible. I've taken countless quizzes that matched me

with the green party, but I use logic and common sense when voting. We simply cannot afford to allow the GOP to win again.

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