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Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:19 PM

White House Likely LYING about Tillerson firing motive - Atlantic


The White House’s account of the Tillerson firing collapsed within minutes.

Senior administration officials told outlets including The Washington Post and CNN that Tillerson had been told he would be dismissed on Friday, March 9.

Within the hour, the State Department issued a statement insisting that Tillerson “had every intention of remaining” and “did not speak to the President this morning and is unaware of the reason.” CNN reported that Tillerson had received a call from White House Chief of Staff John Kelly on Friday night indicating that he would be replaced that did not specify timing; a senior White House official told the network that it was Trump himself who had suddenly decided to pull the trigger on Tuesday morning. Tillerson learned of his actual firing the same way everybody else did: By reading about it on Twitter shortly after 8:44 a.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, March 13.

A lot turns on that timing. On March 12, Tillerson had backed the British government’s accusation that Russia was culpable for a nerve-agent attack on United Kingdom soil. If Tillerson had been fired March 9, then his words of support for Britain could not explain his firing three days before. But if the White House was lying about the timing, it could be lying about the motive.

And since it now seems all but certain that the White House was lying about the timing, it looks more probable that it was lying about the motive too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/555473/


I laughed sadly when I read someone post, "we need to come up with a plan."

Putin had a plan long ago, the Trump crime family put it into motion, it is moving along nicely on the road to totalitarianism.

Our national security has been torpedoed, the State department is dead in the water and sinking, and may take us all down in the undertow.

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Reply White House Likely LYING about Tillerson firing motive - Atlantic (Original post)
orangecrush Mar 2018 OP
asiliveandbreathe Mar 2018 #1
orangecrush Mar 2018 #2
brush Mar 2018 #3
orangecrush Mar 2018 #7
dchill Mar 2018 #17
SCVDem Mar 2018 #24
Raster Mar 2018 #4
orangecrush Mar 2018 #8
relayerbob Mar 2018 #9
FakeNoose Mar 2018 #12
H2O Man Mar 2018 #5
orangecrush Mar 2018 #6
dalton99a Mar 2018 #27
3catwoman3 Mar 2018 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #11
Hortensis Mar 2018 #13
Marty Marzipan Mar 2018 #14
Shipwack Mar 2018 #15
McCamy Taylor Mar 2018 #25
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2018 #16
fescuerescue Mar 2018 #18
cwydro Mar 2018 #19
ProfessorPlum Mar 2018 #20
SWBTATTReg Mar 2018 #21
Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #22
tclambert Mar 2018 #23
thegoose Mar 2018 #26

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:29 PM

1. Tillerson notified 2 days into 6 day trip to Africa he was fired..Rueters....then this happened..

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rex-tillerson-cancels-events-kenya-africa-tour-after-falling-ill/

He got sick - updated story 3/10/2018....hummmmm

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson canceled his scheduled events Saturday in Kenya because he was sick. "The secretary is not feeling well after a long couple days working on major issues back home such as North Korea," U.S. Undersecretary of State Steve Goldstein said.

So Tillerson knew before he got back from Africa?? Who knows for sure...they all lie...

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Response to asiliveandbreathe (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:33 PM

2. I know in my gut

they fired him for supporting Britain and saying that Russia was responsible for the gas attack.

Couple that with the repubs dropping the investigaton.

And you think this congress will move to impeach?

Trump has Putin's back, we are waist deep in dire shit.

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:43 PM

3. Putin probably ordered trump to fire him. He was only SOS to help develop the trillion dollar oil...

deal in Russia once the Obama sanctions were lifted.

Since that didn't happen he was really of no use.

His tenure at State was just a series of being undercut by trump.

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:51 PM

7. Wonder if

Tillerson has Mueller's phone number?

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:09 PM

17. Doesn't matter. Mueller has his.

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 03:40 PM

24. That's my belief! nt

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:45 PM

4. I think you are partially correct...

...I also think that tRumplethinskin* never forgot/forgave Rexxon for calling him a moron.

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Response to Raster (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:52 PM

8. I hope

he has Mueller's phone number.

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:23 PM

9. I'm sure Mueller has his

It's Mueller time

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 05:05 PM

12. Malcolm Nance tweeted earlier today, Putin told Cheeto to fire Tillerson

I believe Malcolm Nance because he's reliable and he tells the truth. He doesn't reveal his sources but that's OK.
This tweet was posted on DU earlier today:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210349993

The fake story about how they told Tillerson on Friday that he was fired - that's a complete lie. Tillerson gave an interview on Sunday saying that he believed the Russian guy was poisoned by Putin's henchman. As soon as Pootie heard that, he told Cheeto to fire him.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:48 PM

5. "Likely"???

Of course they lied.

Recommended.

"I deny everything I say. Everything I say is a lie. Everything I deny is a lie, too." -- Groucho Marx

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:50 PM

6. Thank you!


Exactly.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:06 PM

27. +1

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:41 PM

10. The current occupant of the WH and his minions lying?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you! Get my smelling salts.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:58 PM

11. Putin does NOT want a totalitarian ruling America. Too strong. He wants chaos.


Putin is a "strongman". He wants America lead by a kakistocracy and he has it in tRump. He will string him along for as long as he can and then dump him.

Putin has not told Ryan and McCONnell to dump him yet.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 05:17 PM

13. I must be missing the significance of this. I see no

change from pre-firing in our position.

Now, England's! Apparently there are a number of punitive actions England can take, including passing their version of the Magnitsky Act, seizing assets of named persons. They also can do a version of that anyway through other means; apparently the vast majority of Russian oligarchs have assets there and many enjoy visiting homes there, so just freezing assets would sting. The EU has expressed openness to supporting UK on the unacceptability of using nerve gas in one of their countries, and of course there's article 5 of NATO.



Trump's made noise about supporting UK, but failure to do so would only underline Trump's bizarre relationship with Moscow.

As for Pompeo, he's a trumpster and his own pre-election behavior is highly questionable.




Pompeo's made a little hard-line noise against Moscow since going to the CIA, but he also lied about the intelligence assessment of Russian intervention, on the lines of "nothing there." He's in league with the Kochs, was a climate denier in congress, and has been giving Trump his intelligence briefings and has developed apparently a pretty decent relationship. And we know that only people of really bad character have been able to do that with this president.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 05:58 PM

14. This is news?

It would be bigger news of the "White House" WASN'T lying!

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:08 PM

15. There is still one thing that puzzles me.

Why did Tillerson accuse Putin of being involved in the assassination? Isn’t he a medal-bearing “friend” of Russia?

Maybe he knows that Putin is annoyed at him for not getting sanctions lifted, so he’s trying to curry favor with Western allies?

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Response to Shipwack (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:26 PM

25. I suspect that Exxon/Tillerson has been talking to Mueller and Putin found out.

The corporations that were foolish enough to try to do business with Trump and Putin now realize that they made a terrible mistake, and they are trying to come clean and buy immunity. Putin wants Tillerson out of State asap for fear that he will use his security clearance to get more info that he can feed to Mueller. It is likely that Russia has a mole in Justice, someone they are blackmailing to keep tabs on Mueller and they realize that Tillerson and Exxon have turned on them and they are doing what they have to do to contain the damage.

I am just hoping that Mueller allowed info to be passed to Putin by the blackmailed mole so that Justice could determine the ID of the mole and that said mole is now be questioned in a secret room somewhere.

At this point in the game, it is no longer a matter of if Trump goes down, just when and how much money insiders can make from him before he goes and how much chaos Russia can create in their greatest enemy before they lose their foreign "asset."

Oh, and how can Trump be of best use to Putin in his final days? As a martyr, to get the right wing gun toting base good and riled and violent. If I were Trump, I would stay in DC with the Secret Service at my side. And I would start talking to Mueller. Wonder if Trump has figured this out yet? Wonder if Putin is wondering when Trump will figure this out?

Trump is not planning to travel to North Korea, is he? Sounds like a really bad idea to me.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:09 PM

16. Isn't this a weird day to be weird? Shouldn't dumbo be trying

To impress PA voters?

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:13 PM

18. Honestly I don't think I've ever heard ANY organization tell the truth about a firing

It's usually "so and so wants to spend more time with his family"

or "has decided to pursue other options"

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

19. Anyone surprised?

I’m not.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:11 PM

20. It was the Rosneft/Exxon deal

Which had been put on hold. It was the only reason to have Tillerson there, so no reason to keep him

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:36 AM

21. What's new about this particular lie? tRUMP has already proven that he's a liar-in-chief,

and a worthless (if not the worse) president (not my president). Nothing else to say.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:44 AM

22. Tell me when they don't lie, that would be a headline...

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 03:17 PM

23. Let me get this straight: They suspect the Trump administration lied?

How could they ever think such a thing?

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:57 PM

26. Gee, ya think?

Dumpster's White House is a swamp so hazy no light can penetrate. He's a lying scumbag, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. He'll get his, the piece of shit.

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