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Mon Mar 12, 2018, 07:56 AM

Jake Tapper wants Elizabeth Warren to take a DNA test

I want Ivanka Trump's daughter, Arabella, to take a DNA test to see if she's actually Donald's child and not Jared's.

I want to see Donald Trump's tax return for the last 10 years

I want to see Trump publicly weighed...239 lbs? Yeah, suuuuurrrrreeeee you are!

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Reply Jake Tapper wants Elizabeth Warren to take a DNA test (Original post)
Pryderi Mar 2018 OP
FarCenter Mar 2018 #1
hexola Mar 2018 #2
FarCenter Mar 2018 #15
whathehell Mar 2018 #28
FarCenter Mar 2018 #40
whathehell Mar 2018 #41
csziggy Mar 2018 #24
yesphan Mar 2018 #34
csziggy Mar 2018 #36
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #47
ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #3
hexola Mar 2018 #5
ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #8
hexola Mar 2018 #11
leftyladyfrommo Mar 2018 #17
happy feet Mar 2018 #38
pnwmom Mar 2018 #16
hexola Mar 2018 #27
pnwmom Mar 2018 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #32
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #48
leftynyc Mar 2018 #18
ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #19
leftynyc Mar 2018 #20
ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #31
rurallib Mar 2018 #33
leftynyc Mar 2018 #42
rurallib Mar 2018 #43
happy feet Mar 2018 #39
Vinca Mar 2018 #4
hexola Mar 2018 #6
Cha Mar 2018 #7
UpInArms Mar 2018 #9
Heartstrings Mar 2018 #10
Submariner Mar 2018 #12
ehrnst Mar 2018 #13
Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #14
Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #21
Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #22
melman Mar 2018 #23
lapucelle Mar 2018 #35
csziggy Mar 2018 #25
berni_mccoy Mar 2018 #26
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #29
LexVegas Mar 2018 #37
TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #45
LeftInTX Mar 2018 #46
LeftInTX Mar 2018 #44
csziggy Mar 2018 #49

Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:13 AM

1. If her Native American ancestor is 4 or 5 generations back, the test may not show it

 

5 generations dilute the somatic DNA to about 3%. Depending on luck, it may be higher or lower for an individual. So DNA that is specifically Native American may or may not show up on a DNA test.

Only if the NA ancestor is in the direct maternal line, would the test positively show NA ancestry due to the mitochondrial DNA.

And frankly, if you are only 1/16 or 1/32 something, it really is inconsequential.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:18 AM

2. Isn't her claim about her mother - shouldn't they test her?

She may well not show it - for the reasons you state.

But she said her mother had heritage...that would be all the proof we need.

She doesnt have to do anything

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Response to hexola (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:59 AM

15. Her mother died in '95. A better bet would be to exhume and test her grandmother.

 

But it's biologically irrelevant. It makes for a nice family story, but she is not Native American unless you ascribe to fanciful one-drop racial theories.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

28. If you ever saw a picture of her mother

you would NEVER question her partial Native American ancslestry.. Her mother was strikingly dark complected with high cheek bones and straight black hair -- Elizabeth is a natural brunette but otherwise resembles her father.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 12:35 PM

40. The same would be true of my grandmother but 23andme doesn't indicate any NA DNA in me

 

There are plenty of people from the British Isles with dark complexions and high cheekbones and straight black hair. They look "indian", especially compared with Germans and Scandinavians.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 01:31 PM

41. This was her mother..In addition, her family history cannot be

dismissed as just obscure family legend. Her story is recent and direct. Her paternal grandparents actively discouraged her parents marriage BECAUSE her mother was Indian.
I don't know why people here seem so disinclined to believe her...Is it because she has blue eyes and bleaches her naturally dark hair blonde? It seems absurd.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

24. True - there are family stories my ggg grandmother was Cherokee

Since I have not been able to trace her or her husband in any documents, there is no proof. She was in my mother's lineage - mother's father's line. The stories come from some of my mother's cousins but not from my mother's side of the family, the same way Elizabeth Warren was told of NA ancestry but some of her cousins were not.

When my older sister was DNA tested by the National Geographic Genome Project, she showed a trace of Native American ancestry. When I was tested by Ancestry DNA, I showed none. When our little sister was tested by 23 & Me she showed none. When our mother was tested by the National Geographic Genome Project, she showed none.

In fact, other trace DNA varies greatly among all of us. My little sister shows some Scandinavian traces, while I show Mediterranean and Southern Indian (Asian).

DNA is not divided precisely and evenly among descendants. What is passed down is haphazard and capricious.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:45 AM

34. My mother told me long ago

that her grandfather on her father's side was 100% Osage.
Both my brother and me have been tested at Ancestry and both of
us came up 0% NA.

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Response to yesphan (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:55 AM

36. Yep - there is no telling what you will find!

I talked a cousin into getting an in-depth Y-DNA test. The husband of that purported NA woman is a brick wall in our genealogy. We know the date of his birth (3 December 1798) and that he always claimed he was from South Carolina, but no one has ever been able to locate where he and his wife came from. My cousin is a direct male line descendant so his DNA was the best chance to find a link.

Not one of the DNA matches (other than a cousin I already knew about who is descended from the same man) showed anything useful. There are genetic connections to three different people with two different surnames, neither of which are the same as our ancestor, and none of their lineages go to South Carolina. Instead they are from Canadian and British ancestry.

As one of the men put it, there is a good chance our brick wall ancestor was the result of an "undocumented paternity event." Chances are we will never be able to trace his parentage.

The best match to my cousin is a young man who is trying to locate his biological father. Unfortunately none of the relatives I know about were in California twenty years ago to be able to donate the sperm that his mother used. But he matches every marker on the test with my cousin. I sent as complete a family tree of the descendants of our ancestor. Hopefully he will be able to find out who his father is.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:37 PM

47. My Grandma told me her father was full blooded Cherokee and that when her Mother who was white

died, they took the four girls away from him and put them in an orphanage. They were put in an orphanage. I know that for sure, but I have no idea if the rest of the story is true...who cares. I will tell Jake Tapper to fuck off.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:23 AM

3. Shut Up, Jake

A made up controversy and she's supposed to take the bait? What's wrong Jake, not enough to cover on the idiot usurper? Seems like that should be enough to keep you busy.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:27 AM

5. I want her to get it over with - take it off the table NOW

If she is serious - she can't let her competitors continually use this against her.

Get the test!

Get the facts out.

This is not that big of a deal - but won't go away until she breaks the news.

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Response to hexola (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:37 AM

8. I Just Don't See It

To me this is nothing. Who cares if she is or isn't? If her family oral history contains that piece of information, it is irrelevant to the rest of the world whether it's true or false. Somebody told a family fib x generations ago and she has to prove whether something great grandma (or grandpa) said 50 years ago is true? That makes no sense to me.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:45 AM

11. Nobody cares - but Trump has made it an issue...he will look like a stammering fool

once its done.

Mistaking your heritage is so common - everyone will relate...no issue.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 10:26 AM

17. I sure could care less. nt

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 12:10 PM

38. I agree 100% with ProfessorGAC

This is a non-issue. She has nothing to prove to anyone. This was passed down in her family. End of sentence. So was Barack's birth certificate which the networks hammered for ratings and nothing else. The press had already reviewed a certified copy and reported he was born in Hawaii (along with the newspaper notice). The press never should have given the idiots, including 45, any press what so ever...But they couldn't resist the ratings! The same reason 45 is in office now with his $Bs in free media coverage.

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Response to hexola (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 10:09 AM

16. NO. The test may give a FALSE NEGATIVE, and how is that helpful to her?

Even full siblings have varying proportions of DNA from different relatives. Think about it. A brother gets a Y chromosome, and everything connected it -- and no sister does. There are many opportunities for variation.

I had a small amount of Native American blood in my test and my brother had none. I was 6% more Irish than he was. He had Scandinavian blood and I didn't. This is similar to the fact that one of us has blue eyes and the other brown. But we have the same ancestors in our family tree. If one of us had a N.A. ancestor, the other did, too.

My husband has the same N.A. great-grandparent in his family tree that his cousins do. His cousin was able to satisfy the requirements to be on the tribal roll, so my husband could have, too. But his DNA test didn't show N.A. blood. That doesn't mean he wasn't descended from a line that included the N.A. It just meant that the genetic roll of the dice didn't give him enough N.A. DNA to show up on the test.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

27. Because it doesn't matter - she made the same innocent claim as many others.

This stuff has only been knowable for a short time.

All people had before this kind of testing was family tree-type references and very little written record.

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Response to hexola (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:38 AM

30. But it's not completely knowable. So there's no point in getting tested. n/t

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Response to hexola (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

32. The test might not show any NA ancestry for her,

even if it shows up in other relatives, because of the way genetic information is passed on. You inherit 50% of each parent's DNA but it might not be the same 50% your sibling got. Anyhow, she has no obligation to do it, and she shouldn't dignify the controversy by responding.

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Response to hexola (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:38 PM

48. No you can't give them an inch.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

18. If she wants to run for President

she HAS to take the test or she'll never hear the end of this.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

19. She Said She's Not Running

I've got no reason to distrust her.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

20. Neither do I

I also don't give a crap about her heritage. But this will hang over her head if she's looking for a national office.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

31. Like I Said. . .

. . .while you're no doubt correct, if i was she, i'd ignore it.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

33. If Trump runs for president he'll have to show his tax returns .......

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Response to rurallib (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 01:58 PM

42. Ignore this issue at your peril

Donnie would love to run against who he calls Pocohantas - especially if she doesn't take that test.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:03 PM

43. understand what you are saying but it makes no difference who he runs against

he will come up with some lie and with the help of the corporate media blow it way out of proportion.

So whether it is Warren or someone like Kamala Harris or some total dark horse like Jay Inslee of Washington the Trump propaganda machine will gin up some outrageous BS and have it aired thousands of times a day by our worthless media and lit on fire on social media.

I am not a professional publicist. This game of Trump's needs to be blunted. If Warren gives into this ridiculous attack he has another victim. I know not how to do it.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 12:15 PM

39. Let's stop responding to Repubs false issues

with anything other than 'my mom told me, looks of Indian ancestry' PERIOD. We all have stories passed down by our ancestors. You can never stop the Repubs from hammering false issues. If they do stop, they just make up another one. Witness Barack Obama's birth certificate which 7x% of Repubs still believe is fake and he was born outside the US.

We need to focus on the issues and swat away the faux repub controversies as inconsequential or just plain false...move on. They win we play their game whether the controversy is true or not.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:26 AM

4. I want to see Stormy's videos. (Invest in eye bleach NOW!)

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Response to Vinca (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:28 AM

6. Tax returns - whatever false equivalency

will get you nowhere on this issue...

Take the test!

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:30 AM

7. What's tapper have to do

with this? Why is he doing the gop's work for them?

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:40 AM

9. My thought, also, Cha

Is this another case of ... we canít just keep talking about tRump and the malicious GOP ... letís go after low hanging (because it was already set up) Democratic peeps ...

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:42 AM

10. I was perplexed about that as well......nt

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:48 AM

12. When Tapper and Jonathon Karl were on ABC News together, just before Tapper went to CNN,

it was like a contest watching them try to out-republican each other. Who can take the farther right position in their commentary was obvious, to me anyway.

They are of the Reagan "Young Republicans" generation and are hard core right wingers. Democrats should just ignore Tapper imo.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 08:53 AM

13. There are problems with those hobby DNA tests...

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2017/12/dna-test-kits-consider-privacy-implications

I don't know if the appearance of Warren promoting them is a good idea.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:44 AM

14. You left out wanting to see the PGIC in an orange jumpsuit. nt

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:06 AM

21. This is another bullshit birther claim...

Make unreasonable demands based on bullshit conspiracies and rumors.

Fuck Tapper.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

22. Birtherism is apparently going mainstream now



Even though this time it wouldn't have anything to do with a person's qualification for the Presidency of the United States, just some known loudmouth liar's words against hers.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

23. Source?

Link? Story? Video...anything?

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Response to melman (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:51 AM

35. Mediaite has the story, but

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

25. More important I want Dolt45 to STOP throwing around insults

To every ethnic group and person who he feels has wronged him.

When he called Warren "Pocahantas" in front of the Navajo code speakers, I wish they had walked out on him as a group.

I don't care if Warren has Native American DNA. She has said there is a family tradition that there is that heritage in her family - and some genealogists have found documentary evidence that is true.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

26. Maybe he should insist Trump take a DNA test to make sure he isn't Russian.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

29. When did he say this?

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

37. She should get one. What's the downside?

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:26 PM

45. That would be giving in to the racist motherfuckers who are whining about it.

 

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:26 PM

46. Ethnicity and DNA is not exact

I'm one half Scotts Irish. My DNA says zero British Isles.
I'm one half Middle Eastern, my DNA says 47 percent.

My friend's DNA changed from Southern Europe to Iberian. Same company, they just reshuffled populations.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:21 PM

44. I am one-half Scotts-Irish

My DNA test showed zero British Isles!!

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #44)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:49 PM

49. I believe some of my Northern Irish ancestry might actually be German

The Fike family, who I have not been able to trace back to when they came over, may have been Northern Irish Protestants. The surname is often listed as German though and when I did some research it turns out that some Protestant Irish were Germans, maybe from the Palatine, who had to escape from persecution by Catholics and who were allowed to settle in Northern Ireland to help the English hold that territory.

I know that some of my German and French ancestors were Protestants allowed to settle in the southern colonies when more people were needed to take more territory.

On the other hand my husband shows no English DNA but has Scot and Welsh DNA as his highest percentage!

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