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Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:37 AM

Just found out that 52% of white women voted....

...for Trump. I find that flabbergasting (new word, OK?). Does anyone know how many white women would have voted Republican in a normal year? Ideas about what was going on????

I'm just providing this link for verification. I'm not suggesting anyone should spend time reading about a Trump rally!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/us/politics/trump-rally-pittsburgh.html

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Reply Just found out that 52% of white women voted.... (Original post)
LAS14 Mar 2018 OP
JDC Mar 2018 #1
Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #11
irisblue Mar 2018 #29
pandr32 Mar 2018 #57
uponit7771 Mar 2018 #72
bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #2
Squinch Mar 2018 #3
Wwcd Mar 2018 #5
crazycatlady Mar 2018 #13
Exotica Mar 2018 #33
smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #48
Bettie Mar 2018 #65
Nay Mar 2018 #74
tblue37 Mar 2018 #50
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #69
crazycatlady Mar 2018 #85
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #86
RazBerryBeret Mar 2018 #14
Squinch Mar 2018 #26
RazBerryBeret Mar 2018 #43
CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #55
karynnj Mar 2018 #61
redstatebluegirl Mar 2018 #68
Squinch Mar 2018 #84
BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #93
Vinca Mar 2018 #4
zeusdogmom Mar 2018 #6
tavernier Mar 2018 #47
redstatebluegirl Mar 2018 #70
MontanaMama Mar 2018 #82
GWC58 Mar 2018 #7
RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #28
Nay Mar 2018 #76
BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #94
Trust Buster Mar 2018 #8
Nay Mar 2018 #75
BlueMTexpat Mar 2018 #9
betsuni Mar 2018 #10
ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #41
struggle4progress Mar 2018 #12
ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #15
CentralMass Mar 2018 #36
ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #42
CentralMass Mar 2018 #45
ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #54
JennyMominFL Mar 2018 #16
UCmeNdc Mar 2018 #17
tavernier Mar 2018 #49
CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #56
dalton99a Mar 2018 #18
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #19
jrthin Mar 2018 #22
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #25
Locrian Mar 2018 #38
Nay Mar 2018 #78
poboy2 Mar 2018 #20
braddy Mar 2018 #21
Stargleamer Mar 2018 #92
braddy Mar 2018 #96
yallerdawg Mar 2018 #23
DFW Mar 2018 #24
Shrike47 Mar 2018 #27
CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #60
Ohiogal Mar 2018 #30
Autumn Mar 2018 #40
Ohiogal Mar 2018 #63
Autumn Mar 2018 #66
David__77 Mar 2018 #77
Skittles Mar 2018 #89
Willie Pep Mar 2018 #31
Zen Democrat Mar 2018 #46
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #32
Odoreida Mar 2018 #34
LAS14 Mar 2018 #91
HopeAgain Mar 2018 #35
GaryCnf Mar 2018 #37
dalton99a Mar 2018 #39
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NCTraveler Mar 2018 #51
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #53
wishstar Mar 2018 #58
CentralMass Mar 2018 #59
noel1237 Mar 2018 #62
CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #67
EX500rider Mar 2018 #79
Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #80
underthematrix Mar 2018 #81
nolabels Mar 2018 #83
CentralMass Mar 2018 #87
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Autumn Mar 2018 #97
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Initech Mar 2018 #95
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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:41 AM

1. From the article at the link:

"Mr. Trump boasted of his appeal to female voters, falsely claiming that he had received 52 percent of women’s votes in 2016. (He received 52 percent of votes from white women.)"

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Response to JDC (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:32 AM

11. Well

To him white women are probably the only women he counts. All others are illegal and committing voter fraud.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:07 AM

29. 👆👆👆☝☝☝👆👆👆☝☝☝ this 👆👆👆👆👆☝☝☝☝☝nt

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:02 PM

57. Yep!

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:12 PM

72. +1

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:43 AM

2. In 2012, Romney won white women with 56 percent.

So Trump did worse, but not drastically worse.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:48 AM

3. It's true and horrifying. They vote as their husbands vote. Or as their fathers did.

I think most are the women who profit from and depend on a system where white men have all the old unearned advantages. They want to keep those unearned advantages in place just as much as the white men, and they want to keep the rest of us from being able to compete for resources.

I imagine most of these are the women who say things like, "She was asking for it," and consider themselves safe because of their rectitude. The women who have subsidized hobbies and call them careers. The women who judge mothers who work. The women who know no people of color but don't consider themselves bigots.

Please don't forget about the other 48% of us who DON'T have our heads up our asses.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:52 AM

5. Indeed. Women like Susan Sarandon who have nothing to lose.

 

Women like her.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:36 AM

13. I'd like to see a married/unmarried divide

I've talked to many (mostly older) married women who said their husbands decide their vote.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:22 AM

33. A new psychological insight into single and married women voters.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201707/what-s-in-it-women-vs-what-s-in-it-my-husband

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Unmarried women, whether Black or White or Latina, think differently than married women in an important way, and that difference may help explain why single women vote reliably for Democrats and married women do not. This new insight into the psychology of voting was documented by political scientists Christopher Stout, Kelsy Kretschmer, and Leah Ruppanner in a just-published study in Political Research Quarterly, “Gender linked fate, race/ethnicity, and the marriage gap in American politics.”

Democrats have a friend in single women, who vote for them disproportionately. In the 2016 Presidential election, for example, 63% of unmarried women voted for Clinton. In 2012, when Obama faced off against Romney, unmarried women favored Obama even more – 67% of them voted for him. Married women, in contrast, favored Clinton by just a sliver (2% more voted for her than for Trump). In 2012, they slightly favored Romney.

One way to understand the marital status difference in women’s voting is to study single and married women’s positions on the issues. That is important. Professor Stout and his colleagues believed that a psychological consideration was also important: Do the women see their own fate as linked to the fate of other women in the country?

Data were from 1,476 White women, 405 Latina women, and 489 Black women who participated in the 2012 American National Election study. The key question was: “Do you think that what happens generally to women in this country will have something to do with what happens in your life?”

Unmarried women were more likely than married women to answer yes to that question, which the authors describe as a measure of “gender linked fate.” Among the White women and Latina women, the married women differed most from the always-single women. Among the Black women, the married women differed most from the divorced women.

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Response to Exotica (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

48. Interesting. Thank you!

This white woman knows very few white women who voted for Trump - and interestingly, they are all married to republican men. All of my friends are hardcore Democrats and I even know a few republican women who could not bring themselves to vote for Trump. I think his appeal among white women is highly over-rated except for in the red states.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:37 PM

65. The white married trump-voting women I know

are also very, very religious.

I think it has a lot to do with evangelicals and the preachers telling them who to vote for.

The very religious women I know tend to do as they are told by their husbands and preachers.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:21 PM

74. This. The two Republican women I know who are NOT religious voted for

Hillary. The religious ones did what they were told to do by their preachers.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:52 AM

50. Unmarried women mostly voted for Hillary. nt

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:52 PM

69. Dear lord, I thought the husband determining a woman's vote

ended by the 1970s. It's Boomer women, after all, who were the main instigators of the Women's Liberation Movement.

I'm 69 years old, a card-carrying Boomer. Female, despite my screen name. I was married for 25 years, and my husband was (still is) every bit as progressive/liberal as I am. I could not have remained married for more than 20 minutes to a man who wasn't pretty similar to me politically.

And if at any point I knew he was going to vote for someone I didn't care for, I'd of course cast my vote for the other candidate. I hear people defend not voting in that case because the other vote cancels theirs. No, your vote cancels theirs. It's even important to vote when you know that the state you live in will go overwhelmingly to the other candidate (speaking of the Presidential) race because you want to eat into the winner's margin of victory.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #69)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:17 PM

85. I've had to refrain myself from punching the people

I'm in my 30s and not married. IN fact I'm approaching the "going to die alone with 40 cats" territory (I don't mind that as my screen name suggests).

I talked to the most women like that in 2010 (when I did a BIble Belt campaign). Most were over 60.

But part of my personality is that I HATE It when someone else tries to speak for me. In fact as a child I'd hate it if my parents would order my food at a restaurant. I wouldn't even DATE someone who thinks he can tell me who to vote for, let alone marry someone. In fact different politics is a dating dealbreaker for me.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #85)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:25 PM

86. No surprise that you ran across that in the Bible belt.

Women there are taught from infancy that the man is always in charge. It's not substantially different than the way they do things in Saudi Arabia, quite frankly.

Perhaps my independence well into my golden years is that I was single for quite a while myself. I met my now ex husband at age 30, got married at 32. After some 25 years of marriage he met someone else he decided he'd rather be with. Going back to the single life wasn't that hard, since I'd done a lot of things on my own in my youth.

Oh, and don't get me started on a woman changing her last name.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:43 AM

14. i would agree with Squinch

I did some canvassing years ago for the MoveOn GOTV.
It was well organized and I had a list of voters who had voted democratic in the past but had recently either voted republican or didn't vote at all. Majority of those names were women.
Most of them young, i would guess recently married.
Some their husbands answered the door and would actually speak for their wives. it was super interesting, because I knew if their name was on my list they HAD voted democratic at least once...

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Response to RazBerryBeret (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:52 AM

26. Yikes! Their husbands spoke for them!

And they were young!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:43 AM

43. yep...

guess that is common when you marry controlling Republicans?
I found it odd... some of them stood behind their wives and just listened to the conversation.
The things I saw and heard!
one man came around the house dressed in camo with a rifle; I'm sure it was to be intimidating.
Another woman, who was close to my age told me she was voting for GWB, not really because of his policies but because of WHO he is... as if I would get that.. I didn't so I questioned it...
she said He's a Bush; the whole Bush family deserves respect/loyalty??? I left quickly after that... haha

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:59 AM

55. or as there rich kids did

That's what my foster aunt did. A Democrat her whole life. Now her husband is gone and the kids (who are rich rich rich) convinced her to become a puke and vote for tRump.

Is she happy yet? YES. Loves those stock market returns and bitches abt. having to pay $400 a mo. for Medicare as the dividends on all of that money make her a member of the oh so sacred 1%.



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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:19 PM

61. Likely true in some cases, but in many they voted for things like the Supreme Court

Before the election, I listened to conservative women being asked on PBS why they supported Trump after his comments on Access Holywood. Their answers were that they thought the "Clintons" (more said that than said HRC) were not any better AND that Trump would select a SCJ who would stop abortion. A few said that then he was a star and that as President, he would become more dignified. Obviously he hasn't become more dignified and the issue was NOT that he used bad language, but that the actions he spoke uncritically of having taken were disgusting, immoral and illegal.

It can be added that the percent of college educated white women that he won was lower than 52 percent.

For many non college educated white women, they have seen their economic opportunities and those of their husband darken. In my 1968 high school graduating class, about half the kids went to college and the other half went to work. Many of the guys got good paying jobs at the steel mills or became apprentices at some trade. Many of girls never worked, but got married within months of high school. Those who did work often took secretarial training and worked in Chicago. (The contrast between the jeans wearing college students and our now elegantly (to us) dressed friends was the beginning of us being in 2 different worlds.) Most of the jobs the girls took were eliminated by technology. Think of all the mostly women who typed papers and letters, who answered the phone etc. Consider that even the single wage earner working at the mills could support a family at the lower middle class level.

Then consider the level of change - all for the good in my and everyone here's opinion.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

68. Not all of us do!!! Although both my Dad and Granddad were big Democrats in Illinois.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 03:29 PM

84. I know. I'm one of the 48%. But it is so embarassing that this is my demographic.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:45 PM

93. OR how their pastors tell them to vote

Which is never for Democrats.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:50 AM

4. Well here's 1 white woman who sure as hell didn't. This is stunning. I don't get it.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:01 AM

6. Make that 2 white women who didn't vote for that ugly - inside and out - person

I don't get it either. The only excuse I hear from my female friends and family who voted for Trump is "Hillary" I'm thinking that was perhaps a convenient cover for some underlying beliefs and feelings not suitable for polite society. Think I need a new group of friends - although one of them is beginning to come around. So maybe I will hang in there and gently continue my brainwashing.😜

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Response to zeusdogmom (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

47. Three... and I know dozens more who didnt.

But this year I know hundreds more who never will.
Fooled them once...

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Response to tavernier (Reply #47)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:57 PM

70. Four.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #70)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 03:16 PM

82. Five.

Election night 2016 was one of the most horrifying experiences of my adult life. My husband and I got in the worst fight of our 25 year marriage after he told me “relax” when I was losing my shit over the returns. I couldn’t even go to work the next day.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:04 AM

7. On election night 2016 I can still remember a young

woman voter, quite giddy about Trumps victory, talking about how Trump was going to “drain the swamp.” Hey lady, how’s that “draining the swamp” thing working out? Drain the swamp my ass!!

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:06 AM

28. She doesnt even know what that means likely

Whatever she’s fed by Trump I’m sure she buys right into

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:31 PM

76. "Draining the swamp" meant "getting rid of libruls" not getting rid of corruption . . .

In that respect, Prez Dipshit did his job.

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:46 PM

94. SHE probably thinks its going great

Deplorables live in an alternate reality.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:10 AM

8. For many women, cultural issues usurp womens rights issues. Fear Trumps common sense.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:29 PM

75. True. In my post above, I forgot to mention how many more women there are

now who think abortion should be outlawed. It comes straight out of their churches, of course, and the RWers have been hanging their hats on that for years. In fact, RWers encouraged churches to make abortion a front-and-center social cause - it was easy, it targeted women (so men would also go along), and the RWers in power couldn't care less what the abortion laws were because they could fly their wives and girl children overseas for the procedure whenever it was needed.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:10 AM

9. If this is true, it is to my personal eternal and lasting shame!

I have literally nothing in common with such women.

And never will ... unless and until they realize what they have done and prove to me that they will never do such a thing again.

Anyone - male or female - whose vote was NOT suppressed and who STILL tries to justify NOT voting for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 GE is anathema to me. I literally don't want to know them.



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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:10 AM

10. I think they vote the way their Daddy did, seems to be the pattern.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:37 AM

41. Perhaps

Not my wife for sure, but you may be correct. Her dad was an O'Liely guy, but was afraid to talk politics with me, so wasn't an issue. She has been super liberal since the day we met.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:33 AM

12. We had a turn-out problem in 2016: as a general rule, Clinton won

where turn-out had decreased and Trump won where turn-out had increased

This suggests that too many who should have been on our side stayed home, and that we therefore lost in places where the Trumpsters got their friends to the polls

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:55 AM

15. This is why I wish people had voted like Black women did.

You want to see how destructive Whiteness is, how ingrained racism is, look at voting patterns.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:32 AM

36. Well, to speak to the previous reply about voter turnout, the number of black women voting declined

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

"The voter turnout rate among women was 63.3% in 2016, mostly unchanged from 63.7% in 2012. The rate increased among white women, to 66.8% in 2016 from 65.6% in 2012. But it decreased among black women (64.1% in 2016 versus 70.7% in 2012). Among Hispanic women, the turnout rate stayed flat: 50% in 2016, compared with 49.8% in 2012. Meanwhile, among men, the voter turnout rate stayed flat (59.3% in 2016 versus 59.7% in 2012), trailing the rate among women."

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:39 AM

42. Oh dear, let me clarify

“I wish people had voted like the Black women who voted did”

I hope I’m not starting to seeing blame being place on people of color for the existence of Trump—not your particular comment, but a couple of articles I’ve seen lately. The black vote turn out has very different optics than the white one, and should be placed in context

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:47 AM

45. No, not all I understood your meaning. I was just add some stats.

To lend evidience to the previous reply on voter turnout being an issue.
However it sounds like 52% of white women voted for Trump and that their turnout was up slightly by about 1% from 2012 while turnout was down among Blkack women by around 6% over 2012.

These two factors seem to be significant.

I suspect that factors like voter suppression might have played into it as well.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:56 AM

54. Yeah

Context in all areas is important actually.


If Democrats are able to increase the votes of Black women we will see a blue wave indeed, black women mobilize themselves.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:14 AM

16. simple

They chose race over sex

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:23 AM

17. White women vote the way their men tell them to vote.

I think many are afraid to go against tradition.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:51 AM

49. Not any that I know.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

56. My mother sure did not!

My father would mark her ballot for her to take to the polls. I asked her if she followed what he had marked off. She gave me a shrewd look and said, HELL NO!



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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:23 AM

18. There are racist white women out there who hate nonwhites

and have no trouble hurling verbal abuse at them in public, as captured by social media

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:25 AM

19. White women are some of the biggest supporters of racism. Oppressors do an excellent job of pitting

the oppressed against each other, and many white women see racism as a way to hold onto a little power under the patriarchy.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:39 AM

22. I don't understand when racism is discussed the discussion

seems to focus on white men, and tangentially touch on white women. My worst experiences with racism have been with white women. I just had a white women friend say to me on the night of the Oscars, " Don't you think 'the blacks' and 'the #metoomovement' have swung too far, and that there are too many of them?" After picking up my jaw I responded, you didn't complain when there were just white people and sexual abusers joke on the stage.

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Response to jrthin (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:50 AM

25. In many ways, some of the hallmarks of American racism -- the way we police, the way we compensate

in jobs -- is set up in such a way to "protect" white women. As benefactors of racism, white women can face their own internal struggles about dismantling it, consciously or unconsciously. When you think the police are there to protect you and that while you might not make as much as a white man at least you make more than a black woman, sometimes that's enough.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:35 AM

38. it's always the same

The ones with the littlest amount of power are bribed with just a *tiny* bit more power than someone below them.
It's nothing against any of them - it's a human survival trait - used by people in power to manipulate.
And it works very well.

I wish more people would realize the psychology of these things: that statistically (more likely than not) that if YOU were in their shoes, you would do *exactly# the same thing. It's the only way *we* can start changing the narrative.

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Response to Locrian (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:41 PM

78. Agreed. Sometimes I think that schoolchildren should take 10 years of psych

classes, including a year about propaganda tactics. Just knowing how others can manipulate you is eye-opening. Of course, you run the risk of arming the manipulators, but . . .

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:29 AM

20. Racism 'trumps' misogyny....and misogyny is biblical too-nt

 

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:36 AM

21. Women preferred Nixon over JFK, men voted democrat that year, the female vote almost or always went

republican until the 1965 Immigration Act started replacing them, but white women still always vote Republican (except for 1996).

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Response to braddy (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:42 PM

92. I think 1964 too

I LBJ even won the majority of white male voters that year

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Response to Stargleamer (Reply #92)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:54 PM

96. 1964 was the last year time that we won the white vote.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:42 AM

23. White anger and grievance. Someone on MTP said "junkyard dog."

The deplorables think this shit is funny.

I know every "rally" I avoid seeing drives my vote for ANYONE the opposite of that jackass con man.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:49 AM

24. My sister definitely voted the way her husband did

Not because he dominates her thinking. NO ONE dominates her thinking. It's just because she never would have married anyone who has a farther-to-the-right point of view than she does.

For the record, they both voted Sanders in their state's primary and Clinton in the general.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:58 AM

27. I am a white woman who didnt vote for Trump. Only 1 white woman I know did.

Of course, I move in a circle of like-minded people who are pretty damned aware of bullies and sex abusers.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:17 PM

60. I know of 4

Voting the "ticket" so to speak or was it really voting their secret racist agenda which includes their hidden hatred towards Obama? That is what I've observed in all 4 cases!

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:12 AM

30. This statistic is misleading

And it makes me want to scream every time I hear it.

Statistics show that 2/3 of the registered voters in America ACTUALLY VOTED in the 2016 election.

50% men and 50% women, that makes the percentage of women who ACTUALLY VOTED one third of all registered female voters.

How many of those women were white? And, of those who were white, 52% voted for the imbecile.

Even saying one half of one third of women voters who actually voted, voted for the imbecile, that puts it more like one sixth, and this doesn't even take into account the percentages of white women vs. women of color, which would make the percentage of Imbecile voters even smaller.

So. saying that 52% of ALL white women in the country voted for the imbecile is very, very, misleading.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:35 AM

40. He lies, I looked it up. Hillary got 54% of the women's vote , he got 41%

and 52% of that 41% were white women, a little over half.

https://apnews.com/28fcec1447ae417ea05e0457216af3c8/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Trump-makes-bogus-claim-on-female-voters

Exit polls found he got 41 percent of the votes from women in the election, not 52 percent. The figure he cited — 52 percent — applies only to white women. The surveys of voters found that only 4 percent of black women and 25 percent of Hispanic women voted for him.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

The voter turnout rate among women was 63.3% in 2016, mostly unchanged from 63.7% in 2012. The rate increased among white women, to 66.8% in 2016 from 65.6% in 2012. But it decreased among black women (64.1% in 2016 versus 70.7% in 2012). Among Hispanic women, the turnout rate stayed flat: 50% in 2016, compared with 49.8% in 2012. Meanwhile, among men, the voter turnout rate stayed flat (59.3% in 2016 versus 59.7% in 2012), trailing the rate among women.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:33 PM

63. Thank you for that research, Autumn.

Again, I just hate hearing him (or the msm) alwalys saying that 52% of all white women voted for the imbecile. It's a flat out lie.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #63)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:43 PM

66. Yes it is a lie. One that people gladly accept.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:43 PM

89. THANK YOU

 

most women DID NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:17 AM

31. There are many white women who are conservatives.

I don't buy the argument that their husbands or fathers or other male figures make them vote Republican. I have interacted with enough Republican women to know that their ideology is no different from their male counterparts and they are not being "forced" to vote a certain way.

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Response to Willie Pep (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

46. Those women get their politics from the same places as their husbands:

White Evangelical Republican gatherings they call Christian and Church, and fascist radio propagandists that began as soon as Reagan signed repeal of Fairness Act. Only 6 years later came Newt Gingrich/Frank Luntz with their platform of hate and blame toward Democrats based on lies. that rolled over Radio Biased America. We've been the thrall of haters ever since.

WTH, was Newt in with the Russian oligarchs back then? It was certainly the beginning of demonization and hate politics.



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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:18 AM

32. Racism could explain a lot of those votes.

There are plenty of white women (including some affluent suburban types) who don't consider women's rights to be an issue for them but who are either covertly or overtly racist. There are also the anti-abortion fanatics who will vote for anyone, no matter how loathsome in other respects, who opposes abortion. Many of the most ardent anti-choicers are women.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:26 AM

34. What's the shocker?

That's slightly higher than the male vote. I'd have expected slightly lower, but still only slightly.

Why expect female voting patterns to be drastically different from male?

Also, does this take into account (registered) non-voters?

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Response to Odoreida (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:59 PM

91. Conventional wisdom says that Trump has alienated women, in particular. nt

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:31 AM

35. Women can be just as racist as men

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:33 AM

37. Perhaps we should have not expended so much energy pandering to that demographic

 

According to one academic study, 90% of the campaign ads run by our campaign were focused on attacking Trump's character (primarily on his reprehensible and assaultive physical and verbal on women). In a contest where our candidate stood head and shoulders on top of an extension ladder above a total buffoon in every single policy area. 10% were about policy and of that 10% none of them spoke to issues unique to people of color and none of them reached out to any member of the burgeoning community of immigrants from Spanish-speaking countries EXCEPT that narrow segment called "Dreamers." Even in that 10% of ads, they were primarily about issues that were calculated to appeal to white women.

The price we paid for that is the disaster we face now. If anyone believes otherwise, I ask them to look at Doug Jones' Senate win in Alabama. After the courageous victims of Roy Moore came forward, his campaign focused almost entirely on Pedogate, counting on white women to at least have enough outrage over the sexual assault of 15 year-old children that they would draw the line at least there. IT FAILED (and Doug did not have any baggage when it comes to speaking out about the issue). Three weeks out, Doug was losing. It was ONLY then that he figured out what cost us dearly in 2016. Over that last three weeks, he stood up for black people in a big way, not just talking about his zealous pursuit of racist murderers, but also talking about Moore's history of racist attacks on black defendants in criminal cases. What's more, he brought in voices that are respected in our community, black voices, voices that make that 52% shudder. THAT switch gave us Alabama.

The fact is that gender is not a politically-defining characteristic to the extent that we can count on women (other than women who share a characteristic, race, which most definitely IS politically defining) to do anything other than put us further behind.

As you can see, I am a big believer in what is called "identity politics" but IMHO it needs to focus on identities/groups that help us.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:35 AM

39. Excellent point.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:53 AM

52. +1000. Some people can't be reasoned with



The above pic is an example of a lost cause. Period.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:34 PM

64. .

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:11 PM

71. omg! @ the "Adorably Deplorable" T-shirt

At least her facial expression is closer to disgust than the others, who appear to be totally in awe of him.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:16 PM

73. +1, "it needs to focus on identities/groups that help us." amen !!!!

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:47 AM

44. A female friend summed up her vote for the GOP thusly

"I vote my portfolio, not my vagina."


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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #44)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:46 PM

90. followup questions

 

why would you vote for the party that crashes the economy? why would you vote for someone like Trump who has several bankruptcies, doesn't pay his bills and is pimped by Russia? Why would you vote for a party that is ANTI-WORKER? her answer MAKES NO SENSE

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Response to Skittles (Reply #90)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:19 PM

98. He spoke of lowering taxes and that's all it took for some

It never made enough sense for me to vote for him.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #98)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:29 PM

99. followup question

 

our taxes could be lowered greatly if less money was spent on the military - would he support that?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #99)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:34 PM

100. Can't see it

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:52 AM

51. In 2008 Obama got 38% of white women.

 

He had stronger numbers with white men.

It’s a bit horrifying.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 11:53 AM

53. I love this photo.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:03 PM

58. Polling showed a large shift in women away from Hillary to Trump after Comey interfered in October

according to an NPR program I was listening to several days before the election, apparently the Comey action and subsequent media and Trump response was enough to convince a sizeable number of white women that Hillary was criminally vulnerable to be under ongoing criminal investigation.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:12 PM

59. From other elections..

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too

"In 2004, Bush got fifty-five per cent of the white female vote, and Kerry got forty-four per cent—a “reverse gender gap” (one working in the G.O.P.’s favor) of eleven points. In 2008, McCain got fifty-three per cent of the white female vote, and Obama got forty-six per cent—a gap of seven points. Compared to four years earlier, the reverse gender gap in this demographic had decreased by four points, indicating that the Democrats were making progress in attracting the votes of white women. But this year, that trend turned around again. Far from narrowing further, the reverse gender gap among white women widened to fourteen points. Romney got fifty-six per cent of the white female vote; Obama got just forty-two per cent."

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:24 PM

62. white women are some of the biggest racists I know..

 

not surprised at all.

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Response to noel1237 (Reply #62)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:49 PM

67. Really? No men?

White boyz w/their gunz don't count do they?



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:43 PM

79. What do firearm have to do with it? Only racists use firearms?

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:53 PM

80. White women are very scared and gullible

Trump knows it, and knows how to tap into it. The warning signs were there long before 2016. It's the old Security Mom angle from post-9/11. This article from early fall 2014 describes it well. I saved that link from 2014 along with many others. Basically, everything that happened in 2016 was already well known and brewing in 2014 and none of it was positive toward our side.

I have no idea how anybody expected Hillary to win comfortably, given all the big picture obstacles she faced. The problem on our side is we have too many tunnel vision types like Rachel Maddow, who only know the state poll number that was just handed to her, without any clue toward the foundational factors impacting that state or the race nationwide.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/09/the-security-moms-are-back/380354/

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:53 PM

81. This is why it's so important for people of color and LGTBQ people to vote because

white women are often unreliable change partners.

They are easily swayed by the outrage of the day. Case in point - the conservative Democrats who voted for loosening banking reforms. All these conservative Democrats believe in the rule of law and support the Mueller investigation and would support impeachment of Trump and Pence. That's the bigger picture. But white women tend to drill down into the details that put them on the losing end of the larger agenda.

For every 2018 special election and midterm election DEMOCRACY IS ON THE BALLOT. The rule of law is on the ballot. Women's rights are the ballot. Voting rights are on the ballot. The Constitution is on the ballot. National security is on the ballot. Gun sense laws are on the ballot.

We need to stay focused.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 03:21 PM

83. Mostly just the ones that lean republican

Generalization does not work very well sometimes also. It is different to be the one affected than from being in a group that is doing the affecting. Just as well, many people have difficulty learning from the lessons of experience when they have not had to deal with the problem. Blaming a supposed 52% only because they are part of a MINORITY (known as the women that voted) fits nicely into a racist bigoted polling companies hand.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #87)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:42 PM

88. The need to belong can sometimes be stronger than the need to be one's own self

Everybody is a minority in one way or the other but many still haven't figured out why that matters yet

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Response to nolabels (Reply #83)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:58 PM

97. Hillary got 54% of the women's vote , he got 41%. 52% of that 41% were white women

https://apnews.com/28fcec1447ae417ea05e0457216af3c8/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Trump-makes-bogus-claim-on-female-voters

Exit polls found he got 41 percent of the votes from women in the election, not 52 percent. The figure he cited — 52 percent — applies only to white women. The surveys of voters found that only 4 percent of black women and 25 percent of Hispanic women voted for him.



http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

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Response to Autumn (Reply #97)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 12:16 PM

102. First they came for the union organizers, then they came for the.......

Is it any surprise they try any trick they can to divide and minimize the effect of women voting. I hope and believe this will backfire in the near future.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:47 PM

95. Fox News sold them out against their best interests.

Fuck that POS network.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:59 PM

101. That information has been out there for a while.

Trump won a majority of white voters in every demographic except three: under 30, Jewish, or those with advanced degrees.

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