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Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:35 PM

Bernie urges respect for Trump supporters

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/politics/article/Bernie-Sanders-I-believe-that-Texas-can-go-12742060.php

Bernie Sanders: ‘I believe that Texas can go blue’
By Peggy Fikac
March 9, 2018

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Sanders gave no quarter to his own party regarding efforts by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to undermine Congressional District 7 candidate Laura Moser in the Houston area. The senator called it “absolutely unacceptable” and drew a parallel to national Democrats’ efforts to thwart him in his primary battle with Hillary Clinton. Sanders rejected the idea that the national party should steer what it believes to be the strongest candidate to victory.

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington,” he said.

With regard to battling Trump, Sanders urged respect when people who oppose the president talk to his supporters.

“Our job is to talk to people, people who voted for Trump, respectfully. I do not believe that in Texas, or any place else, that most people who supported Trump are racists or sexists or xenophobes,” Sanders said. “I think they are people who are hurting, who want real change in the way our government works in terms of the needs of the middle class.”


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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:39 PM

1. OMG

Senator if you had been the strongest candidate in the Dem primary you would've won. Get over it.

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Response to Me. (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:02 AM

32. And The Earth Is Only 6000 Years Old

Too right?

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:18 AM

36. The earth is 4.5 billion years old

and Bernie received 3.8 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. Of the 10 most populous states, he carried one.

Facts.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:01 AM

68. My Frirnd

Where I grew up Bernie got 6 times as many votes. Why?

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:15 AM

70. There's a big world outside the place where you grew up.

Hillary received 3.8 million more votes in it.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:23 AM

73. That Is Not An Explanation

It's sad so many dems don't understand why he is so popular. Google oligarchy.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:54 AM

79. Bernie is not a Dem; except when it might be to HIS advantage.

Bernie wasn't popular enough to win the presidential canidacy. It is time to move on with new Democratic candidates for 2018 and 2020.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #79)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:24 PM

156. Bernie deserves a 2nd chance in 2020 after startin out 60 pts behind & refusing corporate $$$.

Yet, despite the long odds, he still kicked azz, all things considered. Hillary got her 2nd chance - deservedly so - after falling to a relative unknown Barrack Obama. Bernie's incredible showing against a political powerhouse most certainly earns him a second shot at the 2020 nomination... assuming he wants it.

If not, here's hoping Elizabeth throws her hat into the ring... she'd be AWESOME!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #156)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:31 PM

195. The voters will decide.

And they will want someone who is transparent with their finances and their health.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #195)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:15 PM

199. Yes they will, as it should be... it's called democracy.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #199)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:17 PM

200. They decided in 2016. (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #200)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:23 PM

203. Decided what?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #203)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:24 PM

204. Who the Democratic candidate was going to be. (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #204)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:27 PM

206. You mean like they did in 2008? And second chances were given, rightfully so... same for 2020.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #206)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:02 AM

286. 2016 - by a much greater margin than in 2008.

Trying to change the subject doesn't work very well for refuting a statement...

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #199)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:19 PM

267. Warren stated that she is not running for Pres.

She is running as Senator for MA and I will be voting for her.

Sorry that your dream team will not happen.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:11 AM

84. Democrats can be susceptible to pie in the sky.

Bernie has made a career out promising stuff he can’t deliver. Some people fall for that.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #84)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:54 AM

128. Yep.

The old addage is that "Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line". I fell in love with Bernie and voted for him in the primary, but was awaked from the spell when it became clear to me that he was selling magic beans and there was no plan behingd the rhetoric.

That''s when I went all in for Hillary and never regreted it.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #128)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:36 PM

158. Good for you

I know many former Sanders supporters have seen the light like you have, but too many cling to the magic dust, thinking it will someday turn into something solid.

Thank you!

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #128)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:30 PM

182. Friends who are Bernie supporters ...

Tell me that while they STILL support him/his ideals, they've fallen way off from supporting him like they used to--especially monetarily. A few also have told me that they've not been liking what they've been hearing reading about his wife Jane as well. She's been investigated or is being investigated for various thing, so we'll see how that plays out.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #182)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:28 PM

234. My friends tell me the opposite. See how that works? :)

And to be honest I don;t know WHO should be the 2020 candidate? And do not have a favorite.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #234)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:15 PM

240. My friends tell me the opposite. See how that works? :)

Totally

But Bernie would have to withstand some nasty/tough vetting this time time around (Plus this 3-inch thick dossier thuglicans have on him allegedly whatever that is). He'd have to release his taxes (My friends don't like the fact that he hasn't done that and wonder why he hasn't, plus only fatso is the only person who can get away with that since most in the press don't give a fudge about his taxes ), and if something does come of the investigations concerning his wife Jane, the media will focus on THAT instead of whatever it is thuglicans run for POTUS in 2020.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #240)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:00 AM

285. Yep. (nt)

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #128)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:01 PM

187. Mahalo for that, Zoonart. nt

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #128)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:21 PM

268. Good on you, Zoonart. nt

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #128)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:04 AM

287. Self awareness and critical thinking is indeed a gift

Demonstrations of the idea that one can change one's opinion based on new data is refreshing to hear.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:27 AM

86. Actually, it is a great explanation.

The parochial view of a limited demographic also explains why people like Trey Gowdy and Chuck Grassley win local elections.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:58 AM

130. How very dismissive.... kinda like Bernie...

Here's the thing. Bernie got a lot fewer votes than Hillary. He did! Really! And there are places where the 6-1 ratio is flipped the other way. Have YOU ever reflected on why THAT is? You may dismiss the reasons, but if you're going to be snarky like this, be careful to ensure your standing in glass house before you throw that stone.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:37 PM

196. It most Certainly is an explanation..

if you're into Math.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:10 PM

219. Perhaps you could Google Bernie's party affiliation

 

.....rather than take the time to peddle JPR and Bernie talking points. I'm sure there are sites where he is welcomed as a winner rather than someone who lost the Primary of a party he insults, and the Party that rejected him by well over 3,000,000 votes.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #73)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:20 AM

289. It's not like he invented these ideas

Universal health care, stronger banking regulation, affordable college and higher taxation on the wealthy aren’t radical democratic socialist ideas that challenge the structures of capitalism. They’re boilerplate offerings familiar to any social Democrat.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

138. Where is that?

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:12 PM

167. Welcome to DU...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #167)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:38 PM

237. Seems kinda dicey

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:42 PM

177. What does that have to do with the fact that she won by millions?

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:24 PM

246. Yeah.

Where you grew up counted for how many votes in the entire primary exactly? If voters were trees, Bernie would won in a walk. Unfortunately for Bernie, the majority of voters were urban and Surburban, by a wide margin.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:57 AM

282. PaulX2, SIX times the votes she did? Sorry, that's

simply not believable. Identify the precinct, please, so I can apologize for finding that claim an insult to my intelligence.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:00 AM

284. Where was that? Can you provide some backup for that claim?

Not holding my breath.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:19 AM

85. And denial is just a river in

Egypt right?

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:31 AM

87. Darn. I'm all out of peanuts.

I have to pick up more feed.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #87)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:14 PM

220. I see what you did there

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:51 AM

96. Hilarious...apples and oranges my friend.

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Response to PaulX2 (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:41 AM

123. Too Wrong

You are aware you 're in DU world and thus facts matter?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:39 PM

2. t-rump

Anyone who still supports that asshat deserves zero respect

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Response to Timewas (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:18 PM

14. I know.. And, what makes him think we should respect

those who still support the sexual predatory, Russian mole?

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Response to Cha (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:00 AM

19. You Mean Comrade Trump?

JUst to be perfectly clear as that description may cover more than just one.


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Response to Me. (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:17 AM

23. Hi Me!

Yes, I know what you mean.

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Response to Cha (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:39 AM

120. ...

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Response to Cha (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:55 AM

99. But not the Democratic party which wronged him...apparently. No only Republicans

deserve respect...not Democrats... hey Cha.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #99)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:37 PM

175. Exactly, Demsrule!

That's been my point, precisely.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #99)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:44 PM

179. Please for gods sake tell me Bernie did NOT just say he was CHEATED in the primary?

And we cant talk about it here?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #99)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:32 PM

269. You just nailed it.

Boom.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:43 PM

3. Go home Bernie. You're drunk.

 

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Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:14 PM

150. +1000000000

Simple and to the point.

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Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:25 PM

205. Not a very nice thing to say... please retract.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #205)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:44 PM

213. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground. And last time I looked Sanders is not a Democrat.

 

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Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #213)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 PM

218. So, it's okay to speak of Bernie in derogatory terms, referrin' to him as drunk, after all he's done

to support Democrats and Democratic ideals?! Seems kinda rude and ungrateful to me.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #218)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:00 PM

226. All... he's... done... ?

 

If he's such a Democrat with Democratic ideals, how come he's never even bothered to JOIN THE FUCKING PARTY?

Seems to me he's just an asshole who enjoys being outside the tent pissing in & fucking everything up. We need people willing to come inside the tent & piss out. Otherwise he's spoiler helping elect Republicans.

"Respect for Trump supporters" my ass.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #218)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:39 PM

270. I do not agree saying he was drunk.

I also do not agree with Bernie's constant trashing of the DEMOCRATIC party and the people here supporting said trashing.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:47 PM

4. I'm sorry. No!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:48 PM

5. Shaking my head

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:49 PM

6. "Bernie blames Hilary for Allowing Russian Interference"

snip//

"Sanders repeatedly refused to say why he didn’t call out Russian involvement during the campaign. Clinton's campaign regularly raised suspicions of Kremlin-backed activity during the home stretch of the race."

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210272890

Where's the "respect", sanders?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:52 PM

7. No, Bernie. How about we reach out to real Democrats and make it easier for them to vote

You know, black and brown folk, the base of the party, who have been loyal as hell (even when insulted and ignored by people like you), have never turned on us and who will vote Democratic every time without having to be persuaded IF we just help them overcome the hurdles created by the people that Trump voters put into office.

But that would be "identity politics," so it doesn't work for you, right? So, you'd rather reach out to and talk to people who STILL support the despicable, racist president.

Please go away.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:03 PM

9. Indeed

Go away BS

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:24 PM

170. Nailed it...



Sid

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:16 PM

221. Exactly. Not a D, he did not get

how to identify the base.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:02 PM

8. Not his own party. There's no party for independents.

I agree that Trump voters are hurting. They've caused a lot more people to hurt. I'm not sure if talking to them nicely will help, but I am sure that attacking them won't.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:34 PM

15. Nailed: "his own party" - Uh, no.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:04 PM

10. Thank you, Senator Sanders.



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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:05 AM

69. Insulting Trumpscum Won't Help

Standing on our principles will.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:56 AM

100. for sowing division among Democrats and urging respect for racist scum sucking Republican voters?

No thank you.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #100)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:12 PM

149. If you recall, even your favorite, HRC, said that not all Trump supporters were deplorable


Remember these words:

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well." ~HRC


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:17 PM

153. Yay for Trumpers!

Fixed it for you.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #153)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:45 PM

159. meh. We need Americans to vote for Democrats.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #159)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:28 PM

207. Hillary won by 3 million votes. Americans DID vote for Hillary.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #207)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:36 PM

211. Lot of good that did us.



We need more Americans to vote For Democrats across the country to win the WH and Congress.

It doesn't matter if we have 3 million more votes or 30 million more votes, we need to win the WH and congress.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #211)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:38 AM

272. Of you dont think it matters that millions more voted for us and we lost then youre missing the

Whole damn point.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:05 PM

11. NOT HAPPENING

Not ever.
Never.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:08 PM

12. I am so sick of Bernie

and his constant attacking the Democratic Party. Note to Peggy Fikac: It's NOT HIS PARTY he's attacking. He is NOT A DEMOCRAT. He hates the Democratic Party. Fuck him.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:18 AM

24. Hear, Hear!

I am so sick of Bernie! I wish he would just go away already!

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:58 AM

102. Me too...he is bitter and angry with the Democratic Party...he can't help himself.

But to urge respect for Trump voters? They won't elect Democrats in Texas...it will be Democrats who come out and do that.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:09 PM

13. Texas can go blue

is the actual headline. A positive thing.


But of course it has to be twisted into another hate thread.

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Response to melman (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:50 AM

47. Good on you for speaking up and

pointing out what is obvious to anyone who doesn't already have a prejudice.

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Response to melman (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:03 AM

105. His words were not twisted...the "I know something about that" makes me see red...and the continuing

attacks on the DCCC are unnecessary and perhaps spiteful. I actually voted for Sen. Sanders in 16 but as you can see that won't happen again in a primary...I would vote for the Democratic candidate (yes Sanders if he won the nomination) in the general.

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Response to melman (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:07 PM

165. They cant let it go

Bernie could invent a cure for cancer and they would find a way to bring up the election.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #165)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:29 PM

172. Not exactly

More like, someone else could invent a cure for cancer and some folks would claim that Bernie should get full credit for it because, until he spoke at a cancer awareness rally in 1998, no one cared anything about the disease.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #172)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 02:47 PM

290. Fair point

Both his supporters and detractors have an outsized opinion of his importance (bordering on obsession by some).

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #165)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:31 PM

210. You got that right!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:35 PM

16. Does he urge respect for Hillary supporters? Just asking, because it would make today's comment...

...a bit more meaningful.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:37 PM

17. I missed that lecture.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:11 AM

22. why wouldn't he? Why would he need to when most Sanders supporters actually voted for Clinton?

Was your post thought through? Was not Sanders himself officially a Clinton supporter? How much of this is everybody who hates Sanders creating their own reality and confirming it in an echo chamber? If that's not the case here, I'd love to hear your evidence for your insinuation that Sanders is okay with hating on Clinton supporters.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:41 AM

91. But the ones who continued with their attacks

were not counseled in the same way. If I am incorrect, please provide a link or even two if you'd like.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #91)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:03 PM

143. again, the standard for such a statement would literally be him going out there


and telling people they need to have respect for him and ninety whatever percent of other Sanders supporters, since these people, when it mattered would have themselves been counted as Clinton supporters. He would have been lecturing to the exceptions and not the rule. I hardly think its the same thing, nor am I aware of a vocal criticism of Clinton supporters making the rounds in anywhere close to the way that people have taken up the chant of "deplorables."

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Response to JCanete (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:09 PM

227. "Thought through"? As a lifelong Democrat, it certainly was...

NOTE AFTER THE FACT: THIS IS MY ATTEMPT AT AN ANALYSIS OF WHERE BERNIE AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DIVERGE, AND THE FACT THAT IT TAKES ME BACK TO THE PRIMARY SEASON DOES NOT MEAN I AM REFIGHTING ANYTHING; HE JUST CAME TO NATIONAL PROMINENCE THEN.

Bernie took advantage of our (Democrats') historical inability to tell friend from -- well, I wouldn't say "foe," but certainly our inability to recognize that not all Leftists are on board with core ideals of the Democratic Party. In his historically-based political philosophy, economic class distinctions trump absolutely all other concerns, which is why he lumps agitation about racism (Black Lives Matter) and women's full range of health (abortion rights) care etc etc etc into "identity politics." If economic justice is achieved, all else will automatically fall into place. (The record of political history shows this is probably not so, but then as a woman my analysis runs differently than his.)

Bernie was never a Democrat, until it suited him to run against one. Then he was. When he lost the primary election by millions of votes, he was dissatisfied with our choice, and took his own sweet time about either endorsing her or robustly campaigning for her. She was not only not his choice (he was), but she was imperfect in his eyes in so many other ways. She even won the popular vote in the general election by 3 million more votes than the orange "winner" got -- but she (and we) still lack that certain je ne sais quois.

Then he was not a Democrat any more. He will never be one again. His choice. And, true to form, in his eyes the Democratic Party and its adherents STILL lack that certain something, so he is going to spend the rest of his life telling us how to achieve perfection.

And that, JCanete, even includes telling us how to reach out to a tribe of racists and theocrats.

Personally, as a DUer who was here when discussions and info about Diebold waged white-hot, and as someone who understands the impact of the many voter-suppression techniques old and new, I have given these issues a LOT of thought. Those who agree with our core values are actually in the majority. I dearly wish that Bernie Sanders, while trying to bring about economic justice for all (including the racists and theocrats) would expend some of his abundant energy and rhetorical skills on fighting gerrymandering, vapor-trail electronic voting machines, suppressive voter ID laws, and all the other means by which the oligarchs and their helpers keep non-white non-GOP people from voting.

And that is how we can improve the lot of all Americans.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #227)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:37 AM

276. They trump other concerns in mine too because all others are arrested by them. I'm sorry,


he's right there as far as I'm concerned. They entrench all others. Taking up the class war in a meaningful way could put people of otherwise divided demographics on the same page for once! That would do so much work to help erode those negative misconceptions people have of one another. It would make such nonsense antiquated...counter-productive. It would take so much wind out of the sails of those who have a vested interest in propagating such hateful messaging because it could be pointed to as the cynical tool that it is-- a tactic designed to pit the 99% against itself and sideline any effort towards a common good. Of course it would hardly do all of the work. It would simply let the work actually happen.

As to Sanders opinion on all those things you mention, I know for a fact he's talked about suppressvie voter id laws and that very impact and intention. It just isn't the only thing at issue. If you continue to attack the symptoms and not the virus, the virus is going to get you eventually.

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding Sanders somehow taking advantage(should I read exploiting?) some nonsense about Democrats not being able to tell friend from foe. That isn't what happened here, and if that was always Sanders thing, to try to be relevant by tapping into something or another then he wouldn't have been a mostly obscure Senator/congressperson from vermont for a large portion of his life. No, instead he has remained remarkably consistent whether his message has had anybody to resonate with or not over the decades. And in terms of ideology and policy, he's been remarkably on the right side of things, in my opinion, just about every time.

To my major beef with your original post though, nothing at ll that you just said justifies you claiming sanders feels some way about how Clinton supporters should be treated. That he doesn't care or thinks its cool for them to be trashed, nor is that even a phenomenon I'm aware of amongst Sanders supporters for the most part. It certainly has not had the wings that "deplorables" has had. You just made it up out of whole cloth. You think that he should address a non-phenomenon that makes no sense at all when you consider(as I tried to point out), that Sanders himself officially supported Clinton. I'm happy to hash out these other things with you, but come on, isn't there somehting disingenuous about that original post, or simply hasty based on a feeling you have about him versus any real justification for making such an odd comparisson, and can't we please, avoid going down that road of truthiness on these boards?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #276)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:49 AM

277. Your paragraph 1: Imagine I have wage parity. Ludicrous, I know. But just suppose...

What good will wage parity do me if I do not also have access to the full range of women's medical care? If I can't obtain contraception and get pregnant? If I can't get an abortion and stay pregnant? If I have children whether by choice or by chance, and I cannot get maternity leave? What good does economic redistribution do me if I cannot get time off when my kids are sick?

It goes on and on. I was at one time a single mother. I got the job with the best benefits I could, and in my town that was as a confidential secretary at the University of California. Since I worked in Personnel, I knew all the salaries. My salary was exactly the same as that of a groundskeeper. Just for shits and giggles, I checked a few years ago, long after my retirement. They're still the same. So that was my wage parity -- me with a bachelor's degree (and at UC they really expect that), and the groundskeepers who, gods bless them, don't really need to speak or read English. They run a lawnmower; I ran an office.

Suppose, just for example, that I was African American (I'm not). How the hell is economic redistribution going to solve the problem of my son being being at risk of being shot and killed at the age of 12 at a public playground by white cops, or shot and killed by at the age of 17 by some asshole who thinks he has to stand his ground because my kid is walking along in a hoodie drinking ice tea and eating Skittles.

These problems and others like them are the reason I am a Democrat. I needed better wages back then, gods know I needed better wages. But if a magic fairy wand somehow gave every person in this sad nation a living wage, I swear to you it would not solve either of the problem-sets I just detailed here. We are fighting systemic racism and we are fighting systemic sexism and we are fighting many other systemic problems right alongside the economic issues. It is not "identity politics" to say that classical Socialist theory is not the entire answer.





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Response to Hekate (Reply #277)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 03:27 AM

278. Well Hekate, I said it wouldn't. I said it would take away some of the road-blocks so that


those problems could actually have a hope of being solved, because currently there is literally a financial incentive to feed hatred and mistrust in people and to get us to turn on ourselves, and until we channel that mistrust towards those who deserve it( the devil on one shoulder), and foster a grand message of mutual prosperity and common cause( the angel on the other), we will have little hope of dismantling that machinery that keeps churning out bigotry, and if we make headway for one group, another marginalized target will simply take its place as the scapegoat for whatever ills society has, because we have not inoculated the population against that poison. Getting us on the same side of an issue and making the rich the enemy of it...that's how you inoculate. (albeit, I'd prefer we humanize the rich too rather than to dust off the guillotines.., but making them an adversary in this cause is probably necessary.).

AND economic redistribution means there's still more money in otherwise oppressed communities. It means these people have a little bit more resources to fight for the causes that matter to them...just a little bit more bandwidth, maybe a little bit more time, nourishment...etc. That cannot be diminished in its value.

But just to be clear, none of those issues should be or need to be abandoned. They are made stronger with an economic message, not weaker. Showing the middle class that the poor is not the source of their woes is part of the work that needs to be done to get these voters to humanize who they once saw as their enemy(as just one basic example). Change the face of the enemy so that nobody gets their back up when you start eroding their misconceptions. Address those misconceptions by tying the propagation of such lies and caricatures, etc., appropriately, to the agendas of the moneyed elite. That takes the wind out of them. Not for everybody, but some...and we really only need some at first. A small percentage to come over and tip an election in our favor.




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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:51 AM

48. What comment was that? Did you see it in

the article? Please share.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:14 AM

56. he doesn't care about respect for Hillary Supporters..

"Bernie blames Hillary for Allowing Russian Interference"

"Sanders repeatedly refused to say why he didn’t call out Russian involvement during the campaign. Clinton's campaign regularly raised suspicions of Kremlin-backed activity during the home stretch of the race."

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210272890

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Response to Cha (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:41 PM

222. That article, as excerpted, does NOT support the claim

that Bernie blames Hillary for "allowing Russian interference," and frankly the extreme reach someone has to make to be able to make that claim is representative, to me, of pretty much all the rest of the reasons and rationale for the Bernie hating that goes on around here.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #222)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:55 PM

224. I have plenty of reasons to dislike BS.. starting with

when he thought it would be a good idea to primary President Obama in 2012.. and it's gone way DOWN HILL since then.

Oh, and all this?.. Just one more thing he got Wrong.

Bernie Sanders blames Hillary Clinton for allowing Russian campaign meddling

http://www.mynbc5.com/article/bernie-sanders-blames-hillary-clinton-for-allowing-russian-campaign-meddling/18673015

Bernie Sanders Mirrors Trump, Blames Hillary Clinton for Not Combatting Russian Meddling, Denies It Helped His Campaign

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-hillary-clinton-816239

Bernie Sanders blames Hillary Clinton for not stopping Russian election meddling


https://www.salon.com/2018/02/22/bernie-sanders-blames-hillary-clinton-for-not-stopping-russian-election-meddling/

Sanders: Clinton should have spoken up about Russian bots during election

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/374912-sanders-why-didnt-clinton-campaign-speak-up-about-russian-bots-during-2016

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Response to Cha (Reply #224)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:13 PM

229. What bullshit

First, the "blames Hillary" charge is nice clickbait but is NOT supported by any of those. Rubbish journalism is what I'd call it.

Second, you can't do a thing about something you don't know anything about. NO ONE realized the extent to which the Russians were interfering at the time.


From The Hill article:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday suggested Hillary Clinton’s campaign should have done more to notify the public that Russians were attempting to sow division during the 2016 presidential campaign.

In an interview with Vermont Public Radio, Sanders was asked why he did not warn his supporters leading up to the 2016 presidential election that Russian bots were attempting to sow division between him and Clinton by attacking Clinton on pro-Sanders social media forums.

"I did not know Russian bots were promoting my campaign," Sanders said. “In the midst of all of this, I was out campaigning very hard for Hillary Clinton. So, let me leave it at that."

Sanders said a member of his team did speak with the Clinton campaign in September 2016 to warn them of "strange things happening" on social media, but suggested his opponent’s campaign had more information about the nature of the attacks.

"If you and your campaign knew there was Russian meddling and it was trying to sow division, why not take that directly to your supporters?” radio host Jane Lindholm asked.

Sanders responded that the "real question to be asked" was why didn't the Clinton campaign do something.

"They had more information about this than we did. And at this point we were working with them,” Sanders said. “We knew what we knew, when we knew it. And that’s about all I can say."

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #229)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:16 PM

231. No, it's not bullshit. Deny it all you want.. doesn't

change reality.

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Response to Cha (Reply #231)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:23 PM

233. It's just factually incorrect. If that's fine with you, you've got a lot

of company among Trump supporters.

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Response to Cha (Reply #224)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:31 PM

236. Bejayzus

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Response to Hekate (Reply #236)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:42 PM

238. lol

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Response to Cha (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:11 PM

228. he doesn't care about respect for Democrats.

 

FTFY

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Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #228)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:19 PM

232. No he does NOT. Mahalo for

the fix.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

106. Not once not ever...in fact both he and Trump have blamed Hillary for the Russian interference in

the 16 election.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:02 PM

141. Or Democrats in general?

He spends more time telling Democrats how to act instead of telling his own people (Our Revolution) how to act.

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Response to George II (Reply #141)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:16 PM

152. +1, Bernie cant stand obama either

The contempt he has for PBO is and has been obvious. Why, I don’t know, but I have a few ideas.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #152)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:00 PM

225. Yeah, I was just posting to someone

who didn't seem to have a clue why BS was not liked by so many.

I said I had plenty of reasons.. starting with when BS thought it was a good idea to primary President Obama in 2012.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:52 PM

18. I don't know about Texas but in northern NJ tRump voters are racists.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:10 AM

55. They are here too.

I have a couple in my family.

I would say that most are sexist and homophobic also.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:03 AM

20. Can we please be done with the Senator?

Bye Bye Bernie

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

107. Yes, it is time.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:09 AM

21. The title of your post is misleading. A turn of phrase can change the entire meaning of original

statement. Here is what Bernie said, as per the article:

“Our job is to talk to people, people who voted for Trump, respectfully."


The title of the OP appears to be an effort to fuel the criticism against Bernie. It would be helpful to use the words that were stated in the article.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:21 AM

25. The title is an accuarate summary of the quote.

I see no attempt to “fuel criticism” of Sanders. He does that all himself.

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Response to Stand and Fight (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:22 AM

26. Mahalo for that, Stand snd

Fight!

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Response to Stand and Fight (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:53 AM

49. Hahaha. Right.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:08 AM

108. And what about this?


“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. "



The insinuation is that he was attacked by the Democratic Party also and 'understands'...I find that comment unacceptable.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #108)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:15 PM

144. He never misses a chance to take a swipe, explicitly or implicitly.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:31 PM

209. No surprise there... once again, Bernie NAILS it!!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:23 AM

27. HIS party?

Fuck no, it's not. He is not a Democrat.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:39 PM

212. No, not technically, but he caucuses with Democrats, so that makes him 1 for all intents & purposes.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #212)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:14 PM

230. No, it doesn't.

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #212)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:29 PM

235. BS made his choice. He was a Democrat for a short season only, then went back outside the tent...

...to continue criticizing us. His criticisms would have more weight if he were truly committed to improving the Democratic Party from inside. He's not.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #235)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:01 PM

239. Even before the convention convened he had already registered his re-election campaign committee...

....as an Independent.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:32 AM

28. The people of America made their decision, Sanders, and it wasn't you

Hillary WON the primary by MILLIONS of votes, remember?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:54 AM

50. And?

How is that related?

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Response to KPN (Reply #50)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:35 AM

58. It's in the OP

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington,” he said.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:42 AM

59. What the holey hell is he going on

about? Trying to rewrite history?

The People of America DID DECIDE, BS.

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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:46 AM

60. Absolutely, Cha! Gaslighting much? Say it enough times and peope will buy it?

Sorry, the math doesn't lie. There are almost FOUR MILLION easy to find facts which proves the truth

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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:47 AM

62. Sad!

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:51 AM

76. It's unfortunate that Russian bots are amplifying the same message.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Bernie's ongoing complaint that some shadowy oligarchy stole the election from him is exactly the same message that Russian troll farms promoted.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #76)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:28 AM

135. Yes! Now this explains the recycled conspiracy theories

being pushed so strongly here especially the last couple days. The Russia hack indictments heat up and they have to float more conspiracies that Bernie was the victim. Hillary was the victim.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:35 AM

88. The people of America did make the decision.

Has BS called upon Our Revolution to apologize for what it did to Sri Preston Kulkarni in Texas?

Has he called on Doug Beaton to resign from his leadership position in the Fort Bend county chapter of Our Revolution yet?

https://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Sri-Preston-Kulkarni-congress-cocaine-fort-bend-12628329.php

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:46 AM

94. Oh, okay, I see. So he should keep his

opinion to himself, his mouth shut.

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Response to KPN (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:09 AM

109. Yes he should...it is unbecoming and does him no credit.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #109)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:25 AM

114. Really? What he said was rather statesman-like.

What he said was nothing at all like some here prefer to interpret it as or spin it into.

Bernie is the Democratic Senate body appointed Chair for Outreach for a reason. To Outreach. That's what he is doing. Seems a lot better than throwing up walls. But I know, everyone who voted for a Trump or didn't vote is a racist, bigot, homophobe, misogynist deplorable.

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Response to KPN (Reply #114)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:29 AM

115. There was never any such thing before Sen. Sanders...and maybe the 'outreach person'

shouldn't hint that the 2016 nomination was stolen from him...I am done. I have bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt but no more. He harms our electoral efforts with his ill advised comments.


“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. "

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #115)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:32 AM

117. He never "hinted" that it was stolen.

It's a falsehood to say he did.

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Response to KPN (Reply #117)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:39 AM

121. What does this mean? Show me where I have it wrong...seriously. I want to be wrong.

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision."

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #121)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:46 AM

126. Means he felt a district he didn't get delegates

for may have been the/a result of Democratic Party putting their thumb on the scale as far as I can tell. Didn't say or mean the delegates were stolen from him.

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Response to KPN (Reply #126)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:53 AM

127. But people vote...and in the end that is what counted...but it is another explantation and I am

willing to consider it...you could be right, and if so I am being unfair. I hope you are right...benefit of doubt restored.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #127)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:18 PM

191. And if it proves in the end that I am wrong

I will admit it and strive to be similarly gracious and credible. We all want dearly to win in 2018 and 20.

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Response to KPN (Reply #114)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:56 PM

161. You've brought this up at least three times now. Do you understand what the his position is....

....and the function of that person?

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Response to George II (Reply #161)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:45 PM

197. Really, three times. I wasn't aware.

I'll most likely bring it up again, unless false accusations about what Sanders said or did while doing that job stop coming up. Yes, I do understand what the job entails as I mentioned in response to one of your responses to the other (apparently) two times I've mentioned his Democratic Party appointed role. Not sure that you do however.

back at ya and bye for now.

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Response to KPN (Reply #197)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:47 PM

216. Well, if you know what the job entails, why not enlighten us?

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Response to George II (Reply #161)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:23 PM

202. Official Senate Democratic Leadership Page:

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #202)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:45 PM

214. And?

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Response to George II (Reply #214)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:22 AM

274. .

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #274)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:28 AM

275. I'm impressed, but didn't NBC stop using that 25 years ago? And?

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Response to KPN (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:08 PM

146. His opinion? This is not a matter of opinion. It s a FACT that Hillary was the American people's

choice, beating him by receiving almost FOUR MILLION more votes than he did. That is a FACT, and implying otherwise is simply dishonest.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #146)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:22 PM

192. He didn't say otherwise. You are

unfairly and wrongly putting words in his mouth.

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Response to KPN (Reply #192)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

241. Here are the words from his mouth:

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself...You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington.”


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Response to KPN (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:12 PM

148. Wasn't his opinion that Hillary won fair and square? I kina remember him saying that...

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #148)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:28 PM

193. He conceded, endorsed and supported Hillary ultimately.

He has never said that Hillary won because of unfair rigging by the Democratic Party. He did say that he felt he didn't get some delegates he may have had the party not placed its thumb on the scale in some instances during the primary. He never said the primary was stolen. Substantial difference.

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Response to KPN (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:20 PM

154. Yes, that would be wonderful actually

But I find people with large egos have a great deal of trouble with that sort of thing.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #154)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:29 PM

194. I see.

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Response to KPN (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:53 PM

262. BS always has an opinion.. just many people

Do NOT like it.

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Response to KPN (Reply #50)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:41 AM

92. Ask BS. He's the one who brought it up. N/T

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:46 AM

29. Once again Ill point out that Bernie Sanders polled 91% here at DU

just 3 years ago. What happened?

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:04 AM

33. 2016?

I’m just guessing, but I supported his run back then on that DU poll, too. Now I’m older and wiser and want someone less polarizing and much more supportive of the Democratic Party.

Unity and winning matters to me now more than idealism. Been there, done that and I’m still wearing the hair shirt in penance for ever thinking it was a good idea that would open dialogues. As it turns out we are not even nearly as evolved as a culture as I thought. I was wrong.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:20 AM

37. this site was full of trolls

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Response to JI7 (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:56 AM

51. But not now. Wonder how he'd poll today?

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Response to KPN (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:30 AM

64. Depends on how many returnees show up. Depends on what question is asked.

For instance, if you ask a single question about a single person -- how many people "still have feelings" for Bernie (so to speak) he will very likely poll high. If you ask who would be a better president, Trump or Sanders, Grumpy Bernie will poll high.

But if you ask the reality-based question: given that Hillary Clinton won both the primary and the general elections by millions and millions of votes, who do you think would make the better president -- etcetera.

SHE WON.

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Response to KPN (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:20 AM

71. I hear "The Passion of the Bernie" is still playing over at JPR.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #71)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:36 AM

89. This isn't about a crusade for Bernie. Geesh.

Why is it that when someone here defends Bernie, she or he gets told they belong at a site that is obviously loaded with anarchists and ultra left-wing nutjobs like JPR? It's insulting frankly.

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Response to KPN (Reply #89)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:40 AM

90. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Geesh.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:10 AM

110. He talked alot...identity politics, negatively about Democrats and the Democratic Party...

It is not just here either.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:02 PM

142. Really? I missed that.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:30 PM

208. Many, if not most, of us are still here... go Bernie!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:47 AM

30. It is time for Bernie to retire if he doesn't think 45's supporters include racists and sexists.

That might possibly be the dumbest political opinion I have read this week and there have been some whoppers this week, like every week of this presidency.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:50 AM

31. I don't respect fascists

Case closed

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:08 AM

34. Yes Trump supporters are racists and sexists and xenophobes

Jesus Christ. How much clearer can they make it?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:11 AM

35. "Blerp blarp grarg white working class mumblemumble. identity politics rragh"

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:32 AM

38. There are millions of left-leaning Americans who didn't

vote in the last election. Our leaders should talk to them, not the trash that voted for Trump.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:57 AM

52. They did in 2016 no? What would change now and why?

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Response to KPN (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:31 PM

251. Trump happened.

Many thought that Hillary would not need their votes. They did not know about Russian election meddling.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:33 AM

39. Democrats that win did so because of Democratic Voters and New Voters

but not because of those that voted for Trump.

most who voted for trump will at best just not vote next time but most of them will not be voting for democrats. most still support him. it's why the republican congress isn't doing anything.

if those who voted for trump are actually good people who were misled then they already would have stopped supporting him and regret voting for him. but as we have seen most still support him.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:40 AM

40. I know my opinion is unpopular here, but I think Bernie is right on who should decide

who the Democratic candidates are.

It should be the voters.

The party bureaucrats should stay out of it. They should serve the voters, not direct the voters. In the general elections, after the Democratic candidate has been chosen, then they can and should actively support that candidate. But until the voters have chosen a candidate, the party bureaucrats should stay out of the campaigns.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:09 AM

42. So, estrablished Democrats have no voice?

Only Trump and Bernie supporters should have a voice?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:10 PM

147. All should have a voice. That includes est[r]ablished Democrats.

But the established Democrats and the unestablished Democrats should compete on as even a playing field with regard to Democratic Party establishment support as possible.

I still think it is OK for the Party members to endorse a candidate.

I just think that up-starts or non-establishment candidates should have as equal a playing field as possible.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #147)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:46 PM

215. I'm with you Sophia... couldn't have said it better. Can't believe anyone would disagree...

it's called DEMOCRACY!!

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:12 AM

43. The voters did decide

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:43 AM

45. Your opinion is unpopular because it implies that the rest of us don't want that or that in the last

election the voters didn't decide. Neither one of those things is true.

HRC got 4 million more votes than Bernie. The party leaders didn't help her, nor could they have even had they wanted to.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:13 AM

111. It is always the voters...the Democratic Party is not going to hop a plane and replace Texas

voters. And the Party should not stay out of elections, it is their job to field candidates who can win...I hope Fletcher prevails...because Moser won't win. I only hope some have not poisoned the election with division and as a result we lose this opportunity.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:50 AM

137. How, exactly, did they "direct the voters"

My vote was my own. No Democratic Party leader was directing me or "putting their finger on the scale."

These are talking points that have no basis in reality.

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Response to mcar (Reply #137)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:14 PM

151. I would advise people to reach out and listen to a Bernie voter on that topic.

That is the only way to heal the wounds on both sides of the subject.

See what people who disagree with you think.

I like Bernie, but I'm not an expert on the complaints that Bernie supporters have. I know some think that Democrats cheated, that the debate times were set up to make sure few people watched.

I think that Hillary didn't do nearly enough to reach out to Bernie supporters and perhaps even to Bernie after the nominating convention.

The rift in the Democratic Party needs to be healed.

And that is the job of the winner of the nomination and her supporters in this case. Sorry to have to say that, but when you win you have to console the loser(s). It's how things go.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #151)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:52 PM

160. Certain voters have been repeating this tired talking point for some time

I've never seen any evidence to support the claim that their votes were "directed." Unless and until that is shown, I have no interest in discussing unfounded talking points with people who cannot accept that their guy lost - by 4 million votes.

Democrats did not cheat, the debate issue was nonsense and the rest is as well. Why would I want to discuss things with people that just are not true?

People are entitled to their own opinions, not to their own facts. I'd be happy to discuss facts with Bernie supporters. But I have no interest in discussing a person's "feelings" about such issues.

I won't even dignify the "Hillary didn't reach out to Bernie" canard with a comment.

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Response to mcar (Reply #160)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:21 PM

169. Reach out and talk about other issues like making college more affordable,

like insuring that elections are fair for all who want to participate, like how to make healthcare even more affordable for all, like racism, like caring about others, the issues that bring Democrats together.

You don't have to talk about accusations of unfairness in voting.

Talk about the shared values. Talk about good candidates for offices other than president.

Begin this conversation when you can.

Bernie campaigned for Hillary because when you come down to it liberals/progressives agree on so many, many fundamental values.

Try to begin the dialogue.

Don't be put off if the Bernie supporter responds with anger. There is a lot of hurt out there.

But if we really want to win in November and put our policies into law, we have to reconcile and get along and work together.

Those important goals should be what is most important to everyone.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #169)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:30 PM

173. I am president of my local Democratic Women's Club

I'm involved with my local Democratic party. I'm working hard to elect Democrats here in Florida.

I support the Democratic Party platform. I would think anyone who calls themselves liberal or progressive would.

We are here. We are working to elect Democrats. I welcome anyone who shares those values.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #151)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:46 PM

260. Sophia.

You seem to be a good earnest person. But the people that you want to "reach out" are not the people that are advocating blowing up democrats in general races because those democrats were not "progressive" enough. If it was left up to the hardcore Bernie supporters, we would have Roy Moore as US Senator from Alabama, those supporters actually advised not voting, fortunately 97% of African Americans and 29% of Whites in Alabama did not listen.

Listening is a two way street, I see only one side issuing absolutes, that is Bernie supported Our Revolution.

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Response to mcar (Reply #137)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:39 PM

257. Debbie Wasserman-Scultz held my hand and marked

my vote for Hillary in the Florida primary. Then I was given a cookie for being a good democrat. Lots of people across Florida got cookies that day.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #257)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:34 AM

271. Where's my cookie?

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Response to mcar (Reply #271)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:52 AM

273. So many vote for Hillary, they must have run out.

I voted early because I knew Hillary cookies would go fast, a little birdie landed on my lectern and told me so.

Seriously, Hillary rolled Bernie by like 23% in Florida.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:17 PM

145. And yet he travels all over the country campaigning for candidates.

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Response to George II (Reply #145)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:32 AM

280. While bashing the Democratic party...

“I have believed for a long time that the Democratic Party has not stood up as strong as it should for the working people of this country — we’re trying to change that,” Sanders said

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/20180310/us-sen-sanders-rallies-in-lubbock-of-all-places

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1078&pid=38443

I will take the Democratic Party over BS anytime, anywhere.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:33 PM

254. The voters decided in 2016. Hillary whipped Bernie soundly. nt

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:07 AM

41. I will decide who I am nice to, no you or your wife or anyone else who supports you or Trump

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:19 AM

44. Um, no, fuck that.

You can't respect these people. You can't reason with them. They are batshit fucking crazy. Sorry Bernie but I don't think you'll win very many fans on this.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:43 AM

46. And his supporters had a problem with Hillary?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:03 AM

53. How to make a controversy out of nothing 101.

Geesh. Can't get much more misleading and biased than this.

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Response to KPN (Reply #53)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:33 AM

57. +1

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:09 AM

54. #CluelessInVermont

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:47 AM

61. I don't disagree with 1 thing said. He talks as an elder statesman should. No need for him to

dis Trump supporters, he knows what we all think of them and I'm sure he thinks something similar. He makes it a point to be like 'show respect, try to convince, etc' cuz there's no HARM in him saying that.

This sort of goodwill toward TX citizens, coming from someone SEEN as a 'liberal vanguard' ... serves our side well, honestly.

Those of you bent about any of THIS?

I just gotta disagree. Nothing bad about this IMHO.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:00 AM

77. Did you read the whole statement? He accused Hillary of stealing the election again.

This divisive talk seems designed to lose elections for Democrats.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #77)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:09 AM

83. This!

He still thinks that he would have won the primaries if the mean ile DNC hadn’t preferred a Democrat!

He’s delusional!

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Response to yardwork (Reply #77)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:57 AM

101. No he didn't. You seem to have

extrapolated that out of what he said -/ unjustifiably. Bernie has never said that the primary was stolen from him. That is an outright falsehood. He has consistently said the DNC stacked the deck in HRCs favor -- which is a perception that even some of our party's leadership have shared.

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Response to KPN (Reply #101)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:15 AM

112. He said he understood unfair treatment because he experienced...what pray tell did he mean?

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision."

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #112)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:20 AM

113. He meant unfair treatment. Big difference between

that and the primary was stolen from him.

Don't you agree?

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Response to KPN (Reply #113)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:31 AM

116. No, it is code for the primary was stolen...and that those in 'DC' made the decision.

This is untrue and divisive.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #116)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:34 AM

118. I disagree. We are at an impasse. Bye for now.

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Response to KPN (Reply #118)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:38 AM

119. Fair enough. Have a great day.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #119)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:40 AM

122. +1

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Response to KPN (Reply #113)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:38 PM

176. How was Bernie treated unfairly?

He was allowed to run as a Democrat in our Democratic primaries, despite the fact that he's not a Democrat and constantly criticizes the Democratic Party.

Bernie was given a platform and space on the primary ballots in all 50 states. He won some states and lost others. In the end, Hillary got more votes.

I think that Bernie was very treated fairly by the Democratic Party.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #198)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:50 PM

223. I'm not interested in refighting the primaries. /nt

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Response to KPN (Reply #101)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

244. The reporter who wrote the story drew the same inference

"The senator called it 'absolutely unacceptable' and drew a parallel to national Democrats’ efforts to thwart him in his primary battle with Hillary Clinton."

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/politics/article/Bernie-Sanders-I-believe-that-Texas-can-go-12742060.php

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Response to KPN (Reply #101)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:30 PM

250. Oh it's Justified.. BS said this in the OP... Which is Wrong.

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington,” he said.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:21 AM

78. An "elder statesman" accusing Democrats and Planned Parenthood of being "establishment"

as if it were some sort of proof of non-progressive corruption is pretty rich. As an elder statesman, he is establishment. He seems to be showing more respect to Republicans than to Democrats and should think harder about this, in my opinion.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:33 PM

174. Both Bernie and his son are always attacking Planned Parenthood.

What's up with that?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:31 PM

252. It's my opinion, too.

Booom.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:58 AM

63. How about this: a little calculated gentleness for Trump regretters?

Maybe this is nuts, but the Cartman/Heidi storyline in Season 21 of South Park pointed something out about human nature, and was brought home of course by having a character say "No, I think we're ALL dating Cartman right now."

But the more a person is attacked and called stupid for doing something as stupid as voting for Trump or dating an emotionally manipulate jackass, people dig in. They had a scene where Heidi's friends, who had all been begging her to leave Cartman, kept on and on dissing him even after she left him, which she ended up taking as an attack on her intelligence... and went back to Cartman.

Essentially, I have been leaving my Trump regretting friends to say what they dislike and why, and not berate them for voting for the jackass, and I'm not engaging non-regretters yet about it. If they start showing remorse, I just let them say it without saying "I told you so".

It's *totally* strategic. First, I live in a conservative area which means yes, I have conservative friends/family. I don't want to bang my head against the wall with those who don't yet realize their error and waste my breath. I also want them to feel like they CAN talk to me about their regrets. A few already have said it themselves that they were idiots for letting CDS make them vote for someone so wildly incompetent. I am hopeful more will.. And if they don't, well, I'm using my energies for more constructive things, like motivating Dems to register and vote.

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Response to moriah (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:54 AM

67. That's very reasonable, but Bernie has a legislative responsibility to make law

as well as win voters. It isn't always all about his freaking campaign. He needs to make it clear that what's wrong is wrong and should not be given aid and comfort.

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Response to moriah (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:37 AM

74. I don't disagree with that part of what Bernie said.

I strongly disagree with Bernie's implication that "a few people in Washington" stole the nomination from him. Hillary won the nomination because she got more votes from the people. Bernie is being a sore loser by bringing up the 2016 primaries over and over and implying that some "establishment" robbed him. It's dividing Democrats, which depresses turnout.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:04 AM

82. You and I are on the same page here. nt

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Response to yardwork (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:54 AM

98. Agree entirely, yardwork.

He can't let it go.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:46 AM

65. Zero tolerance for the goon who appointed Jeff Sessions.

That's what Bernie should be saying and that's ALL he should be saying.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #65)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:59 AM

103. He has said that in so many words many times.

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Response to KPN (Reply #103)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 PM

217. Bernie Sanders on Jeff Sessions: "I'm going to listen to what [he] has to say..."




He also says he's known Jeff for a long time. That I can believe. I haven't but what I've learned in the last six months is appalling. Yes he voted against him but so did 46 Democrats so he gets no points for that. Sessions is an out-an-out racist provocateur and opposing him at every turn -- like California and several other states are doing -- should be Bernie's #1 theme because what Sessions is trying to do is bring back the Jim Crow era or worse.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:51 AM

66. I'm not surprised. Trump and Bernie appeal to the same constituents. nt

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:00 AM

132. Bingo! He obviously knows what the divisiveness was

really about.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #132)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:54 PM

263. That is why people that avidly support Bernie.

Want open primaries. Most detest the principles of the Democratic Party and want to rip us apart. There are many progressive and good people who had or still are aligned with the ones that want to destroy us.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:23 PM

155. +1....nailed it

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:20 AM

72. Bernie Sanders has never been a democrat.

I am also sick of him and his whining about the election. He is an angry bitter man and his negativity is tiresome. No wonder his nickname in Washington is the Senate Scold.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 AM

75. I can easily envision Jill Stein giving voice to most of his remarks...

And therein lies the problem.

Shamelessly ruffling down the feathers of Trumpskyites is pretty much unnecessary, unless one is trying woo votes from an ideological bloc that’s somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. Hmmm...

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:09 AM

80. "... his own party ... - what the heck does that mean?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:51 AM

81. Nope nt

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:44 AM

93. One out of three. I guess batting .333 isn't too bad--if this were baseball.

"You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision."

I couldn't agree more!
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"You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision......"

NO! That is self-serving crap to rationalize your primary run and forcing the DNC to let it happen under their nose and auspices. Let the members of the DEMOCRATIC Party make their own decision about the DEMOCRATIC candidate. Not Republicans. Not Independents. Not temporary Democrats-for-convenience, either.
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With regard to battling Trump, Sanders urged respect when people who oppose the president talk to his supporters.

“Our job is to talk to people, people who voted for Trump, respectfully. I do not believe that in Texas, or any place else, that most people who supported Trump are racists or sexists or xenophobes,” Sanders said.

You don't? When is the last time you spent a few weeks in Texas talking to Trump voters? Don't bother answering that. I know the answer, because I was in Texas in January, and have talked to a few Trump voters. They were either racists, sexists or xenophobes, and usually some combination of two or all three. I DID talk to them respectfully, which more than they deserved (and more than I got from them).

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:50 AM

95. This is why although I voted for Sanders in the Ohio primary, I will never vote for him in

any future primary...the general sure...but he is unlikely to win a Democratic Primary... and should not be permitted to enter one.

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself."

Really, I guess you should remain an independent and not run for the Democratic nomination in 20 and risk 'going though it again'. Sen. Sanders is dividing the Democratic electorate with such ill advised words (why), and we could lose the Texas General because of it/ consider, if Moser loses, some may refuse to vote for Fletcher (sound familiar?)...and if she wins the primary, I don't think she can win that seat. I don't think the DCCC handled this matter badly but it is not a conspiracy...they just don't think Moser can win, and I think they are correct.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:53 AM

97. So it is just fine to attack the Democrats and hint that you 'was done wrong' but Trump

supporters need 'respect'...Okay that makes absolutely no sense.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:01 AM

104. How can you respect people who think Donald Trump is the answer ? Pity them perhaps.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:41 AM

124. Fuck the deplorables and their sympathizers.

There is no making nice with nazis.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #124)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:57 AM

129. You got that right!

Fuck all the assholes who imposed that evil bastard on the USA and the world!

You are either 100% against fascism and racial hatred or you are 100% with it! Its time to crush these MFers once and for all and if ANY pol wants to slip in between the two sides, he or she is on the side of EVIL as far as I'm concerned!

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #124)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:59 AM

131. MAGAts be MAGAts NT

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:42 AM

125. Oh sure the trumpers want to talk respectfully to POC too . Seen a lot of signs of that Bernie ?


They DID want real change I will agree with you there Bernie . We are seeing it everyday

Yes Bernie that is why there are so many white supremacists in the White House now
and why the WH is pulling out of climate change forums , removing environmental restrictions , trying to stop peaceful acts against police violence and promoting propaganda that it's really about hating the military, destroying any advancements Obama made and giving tax cuts instead of services .

Trump is thier real change desired by playing to hateful violent racists, advocating Muslim bans , demonizing immigrants and pushing Christian religion into government .

That was the trump campaign and they pulled the lever .
They will only be sorry that not enough of what he does benefits them personally if sorry at all
MAGA Bernie
He does not even talk respectfully about the Democratic party but some how the trump voters will vote for them when his socialist revolution comes about

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:15 AM

133. Someone turn off his microphone, please. His time has passed.

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #133)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:23 PM

201. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Never would say Hillary's time had passed after she lost to Obama...

No, just as she had every right to run again - and managed to secure the nomination - Bernie should be afforded that same option.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 AM

134. No respect here

Live and raised in northeast Texas , believe me ,these God damn racists homophobes don't deserve any respect . In a doctor office yesterday, there was a couple of trumpers talking about how much they like bill O'Reilly , and couldn't figure out how come he wasn't on any more. They are not for anything, they just hate dems.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:39 AM

136. Wow!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:58 AM

139. Hey bernie, when are you going to speak out about what Our Revolution did to Sri Preston Kulkarni?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:25 PM

157. Bernie: we must respect America hating fascists and racists.

I’ll take a hard pass on that one, Bernie.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:57 PM

162. I don't respect for Trump voters. And I don't respect anyone who tells me I should.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:04 PM

163. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders can take a seat.

He made a try for the White House and failed at the primary level. He retains his Senate seat, and that's just fine with me. He is a reliable vote with the Democratic Caucus there.

However, he has returned to his Independent status, following the 2016 election. He is welcome to that status, but is less welcome, in my opinion, to pontificate on Democratic Party issues.

I like Bernie Sanders for who he is and what he represents. But, he doesn't represent me in Democratic politics. Not much at all. I wish he'd sit down and be an Independent Senator again. He needn't meddle in Democratic Party choices, I think.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:06 PM

164. At his age Bernie should be content sitting on his porch rocker and yell at kids walking on his yard

he shouldn't be speaking on behalf of Democrats. He is not a Democrat. Most of us don't want a hypocritical candidate masking as a Dem then say he's not one after the election.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:10 PM

166. Oh FFS...

The people of America did decide the strongest candidate in the Democratic Presidential primary.

It wasn't you, Bernie.



Sid

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:18 PM

168. These types of people put my kids' lives at risk. No and Fuck that. nt

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:24 PM

171. Sanders occupies an insular world of wealth, power and privilege, not living with these MFers!!!

 

Most of us have to deal with them on a daily basis, while he has security people to keep PINO's crazies away from any personal interaction. No matter how much destruction PINO and his minions unleash, he'll still be living the good life far away from the maddening hordes, so shut the fuck up and/or just go away.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:43 PM

178. BErnie cant really be saying he was cheated in the primary? Are we allowed to talk about

the GARBAGE he just said?

jesus fucking KRIST

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #178)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:50 PM

180. +1000!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:10 PM

181. The Democratic Party fucked up in allowing Sanders to run as a Democrat

This should have never been allowed to proceed. I say this as a Sanders supporter and voter during the primaries. It seems they were Ok with the thought of having "controlled opposition" to help drum up support from progressives who identified with Sander's message. A safe fringe token candidate who wouldn't go far so was the general belief in those early days. Well the DNC, as always, misread their voters and he gained traction in an unanticipated way.

Now all I hear is sour grapes and regret. Bernie should go away. Blah blah blah. Well actions have consequences and the DNC opened the Pandora's box. I would respect the DNC more if they moved decisively to exclude him from any Democratic Party role. But until they do, he is here and here to stay.

In regards to respect for Trump supporters, well to hell with that. A supporter of Trump to me is an enemy of my values. A person who voted for Trump but not a supporter? Maybe there is some hope for that person, maybe they can be reached and deserve a modicum of respect but don't expect me to go out of my way for that Bernie.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #181)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:10 PM

265. I don't agree that the party made a mistake letting him run.

And won't make a mistake letting him run in 2020. What the party did not anticipate was that Bernie would be sore if he lost, which he was and still seem to be. He did not help Hillary much at all, his latest comments should make WHY clear to anyone that claims he did help her.

I am concerned that if Bernie is in the primary in 2020 and Biden, or Harris, or Gillibrand, or Kennedy, or Warren soundly beat him, we may see a replay of the 2016 democratic convention, but I just pray that the sane progressives that did not vote because they thought Hillary had it, make it a point to vote in the 2020 General, eliminating any
need to rely on the Sarandon-West type of thinkers.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:35 PM

183. Going after trump supporters is a waste of time

We need to concentrate our efforts on groups who will vote for Democrats. Deplorables are a waste of time

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #183)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:41 PM

185. I've read Texas is 51% Latino..

GOTV and Respect all those voters who lean Democratic.

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Response to Cha (Reply #185)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:58 PM

186. Not quite but Texas is majority minority

We have significant African American and Asian communities that when added to Latino voters make Texas a majority minority state.

According to Paul Begala, Texas is not a red state but a non-voting state. The increased turnout in the Texas primary was an encouraging sign of Texas moving toward blue.





As younger voters become a large percentage of the electorate, Texas will turn blue


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #186)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:08 PM

188. Yes.. Texas needs to GOTV of DEMS!

Texas needs to be a Voting State, stat!

Thank you for those charts and tweets denoting the gradual increase of young Dems' Voting.

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Response to Cha (Reply #188)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:13 PM

189. There are a good number of strong Democrats working hard to turn Texas blue

It is not fun but we will succeed at some point.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #189)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:23 PM

190. And, you're one of them, Goth!

Muchas Gracias for all ya'll's perseverance, dedication, and persistence!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:37 PM

184. I don't disagree with him on the subject of needing to talk to at least some Trump supporters

There are some who aren't reachable of course, but just like not everybody in Germany, not even every Nazi had hated Jewish people prior to the rise of Hitler, or after the fall of Hitler, people have the capacity to learn to hate and to unlearn it. If you want to convince somebody that Trump is wrong, you probably aren't likely to convince them by saying they must be racist, sexist, xenophobic etc.

But he really needs to give up the nonsense about the Democratic party screwing him. He lost the primaries by a substantial margin. Those votes weren't faked. He lost because the vision he had was less popular than the one Clinton had.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:16 PM

242. Bernie respects everybody-he's just that kinda guy.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #242)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

245. lol omg.

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Response to Cha (Reply #245)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:30 PM

249. What can I say?

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #249)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:32 PM

253. Not that.. because it's not accurate.

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Response to Cha (Reply #253)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:36 PM

255. Yes it is-he's like Obama in that way. He looks for the best in others.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #255)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:45 PM

258. No, he isn't.. I've seen it.. so don't tell me

BS is like President Obama.. they are Light Years apart.

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Response to Cha (Reply #258)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:47 PM

261. I like them both.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

243. Bernie.

Democratic voters picked the strongest candidate in the democratic primary in 2016. Hillary wiped your ass soundly, no one in Washington held the hand of primary voters and forced them to vote for Hillary.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:27 PM

247. Hahahahahahaha

No. He needs to GO AWAY.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

256. Respect has to be earned Bernie. Simple as that.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #256)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:34 AM

281. Hey bingo, rivers!

thanks for thinking of that very important point!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:45 PM

259. Not everyone in this country belongs to a "Party". Lots of them. They are relevant.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:56 PM

264. It's impossible for me to express

how little I care about what Bernie urges. I can't stand listening to him and seeing that scolding finger waving.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #264)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:12 PM

266. I only hope some of those that were honestly infatuated with him in 2016

have clearer vision now.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #264)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:22 AM

279. This is the ilk we're suppose to show respect..



Those idiots behind the creep cheering on his bile laced face.

I know what you mean, Riff.. and we are so not alone.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:08 PM

283. When you see people cheering at this rally despite obvious lunacy and hatred this man spews,



No Respect for these assholes.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:11 AM

288. Respect is not automatic....it is earned.

What have Trump supporters done to earn any respect from anyone??

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