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Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:22 PM

CA-SEN: Sanders wont endorse Feinstein

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says he will not endorse Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) ahead of her primary in California.

Though Sanders has put himself in the middle of other primaries in this cycle, he’s steering clear of California, where Feinstein is being challenged from the left.

“It’s an issue for the people of California,” Sanders told The Hill.

Asked if that meant he would stay out of the race, Sanders responded, “yeah.”

While Sanders says the California race is for the people of that state to decide, on Thursday he announced that he would back liberal candidate Marie Newman in her primary challenge against seven-term Democratic incumbent Rep. Daniel Lipinski (Ill.).


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/377619-sanders-wont-endorse-feinstein


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Reply CA-SEN: Sanders wont endorse Feinstein (Original post)
RandySF Mar 2018 OP
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #1
redstatebluegirl Mar 2018 #19
trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #40
Jim Lane Mar 2018 #70
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #75
Jim Lane Mar 2018 #91
Blue_true Mar 2018 #68
Sophia4 Mar 2018 #83
murielm99 Mar 2018 #2
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #20
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #41
murielm99 Mar 2018 #48
BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #60
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76
RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #66
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #77
RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #79
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #80
RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #84
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86
BigDemVoter Mar 2018 #3
Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #4
BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #59
Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #5
David__77 Mar 2018 #16
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #17
Me. Mar 2018 #22
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #27
Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #23
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #43
wasupaloopa Mar 2018 #32
Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #38
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #78
trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #42
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #45
trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #52
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #54
RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #85
SidDithers Mar 2018 #6
Cha Mar 2018 #50
BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #61
Dawson Leery Mar 2018 #7
Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #8
R B Garr Mar 2018 #9
NCTraveler Mar 2018 #10
ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #11
BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #12
DrDan Mar 2018 #13
shenmue Mar 2018 #14
lunamagica Mar 2018 #15
FarCenter Mar 2018 #18
Me. Mar 2018 #21
leftynyc Mar 2018 #24
ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #25
leftynyc Mar 2018 #26
ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #28
leftynyc Mar 2018 #36
John Fante Mar 2018 #29
ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #30
R B Garr Mar 2018 #34
RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #67
Blue_true Mar 2018 #69
former9thward Mar 2018 #31
LanternWaste Mar 2018 #33
Jim Lane Mar 2018 #71
Wwcd Mar 2018 #35
trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #44
former9thward Mar 2018 #57
Me. Mar 2018 #56
former9thward Mar 2018 #58
Me. Mar 2018 #62
former9thward Mar 2018 #64
Me. Mar 2018 #73
Doodley Mar 2018 #37
BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #39
PubliusEnigma Mar 2018 #46
beaglelover Mar 2018 #47
Jim Lane Mar 2018 #72
NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #49
Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #51
Post removed Mar 2018 #53
Me. Mar 2018 #55
BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #63
JCanete Mar 2018 #88
Jim Lane Mar 2018 #89
JCanete Mar 2018 #90
mcar Mar 2018 #65
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #74
JCanete Mar 2018 #81
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:31 PM

1. Anybody surprised, raise your hand now!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:47 PM

19. Nope, not one bit.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:26 PM

40. I WILL REMEMBER THAT if he thinks he will run again. BERNIE DOESNT SUPPORT DEMS !!

WHAT THE CRAP KINDA LEADER IS HE. Diane Feinstein is a tremendous Democrat.
How dare he not support her. And he wants OUR support ???

makes me very upset and sad that our strong women are not being supported.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:21 PM

70. If he endorsed Feinstein he'd be opposing four other Dems

 

At least I think it's four. I may be off by one or two in either direction. The point is that this is NOT a Democrat versus Republican race in which Bernie is callously disdaining a Democrat and thus letting a Tea Partier represent California, which is what some of the poutrage in this thread would suggest.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #70)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:56 PM

75. That's never stopped him before

The OP points to one such instance.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #75)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:13 AM

91. You're totally missing the context.

 

The argument you answered even though I didn't make it: Bernie didn't endorse Feinstein because he never endorses one Democrat against another.

Now for the actual context. In #40, trueblue2007 took the premise that Bernie didn't endorse Feinstein and leapt to the conclusion that "BERNIE DOESNT SUPPORT DEMS !!" There was an insinuation that Bernie doesn't support Democrats against Republicans. I refuted that by pointing out that Feinstein is running against other Democrats. There are five (or so) Democrats in the race. Anyone who endorses one of the Democrats is therefore failing to support four Democrats.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:20 PM

68. I agree with him on the Illinois race.

Neutral on the California race. I will open myself up for attacks with this, but I prefer that our party move on to younger officeholders.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:09 PM

83. I do too.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:31 PM

2. He can join the Democratic party

or this is simply outside meddling.

Go do your job in Washington, Bernie. The people of California and Illinois don't need you to tell them what to do.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:01 PM

20. Did you even read the OP?

“It’s an issue for the people of California,” Sanders told The Hill.

Asked if that meant he would stay out of the race, Sanders responded, “yeah.”

That is what you call meddling? What would you have called it if he had instead endorsed Feinstein or her Democratic primary opponent?

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:27 PM

41. We know EXACTLY what he is doing and WHY

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:27 PM

48. Of course I read the OP!

Why is he endorsing anyone at all? Under any circumstances? Who is he to do that? And you know damn well that he has made endorsements. There have been posts about it on this board. Whether he decides to endorse, or stay out of this race, he has meddled in other races that are upcoming.

My Senators, Durbin and Duckworth, do not gallivant around the country making endorsements and pronouncements. They go to Washington, do their work, and come home. Sanders, who is not a Democrat, should not even be asked this question. Maybe if he joins the party he might be entitled to an opinion, but he still should not be making endorsements or announcing that he will get out of the way. What an ego!

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:49 PM

60. This not his consistence stance...he's already endorsed 2 Dems so far

 

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:57 PM

76. But Illinois needs his input?

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:15 PM

66. This is pointless

I'm no fan of Bernie, voted for Hillary in the primary, but if he endorsed Dianne, the same people would be saying it's none of his business as he's not a Democrat.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:58 PM

77. So, why is he endorsing primary candidates in other states?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:01 PM

79. Maybe no one else is running in those primaries

Who knows? It’s pretty laughable to criticize him when even The California Democratic Party can’t come to a consensus.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #79)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:05 PM

80. Who knows? Read the OP

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #80)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:21 PM

84. You do realize Lipinski is practically a Republican, right?

I don’t know anyone on this board who shouldn’t want him gone in a heavily safe Democratic district with no legitimate Republican challenger.

Feinstein has a legitimate challenger who is apparently a fine Democrat. I’d prefer she win but I have no problem with good Democrats running for office, especially in a state where no Republican is ever going to win statewide. Let’s have a good primary with real choices.

And why do you want his endorsement any way? You clearly hate the guy. I’m not sure what you are asking for

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #84)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:35 PM

86. A "Democrat" who is "practically" a Republican is still a Democrat. Unlike Bernie ...

who is STILL not a Democrat but IS a hypocrite.

If he doesn't want to endorse Feinstein, that's his little red wagon. He should just say so. But it's laughable for him or anyone else to suggest that his refusal to endorse her has anything to do with a desire not to meddle in a Democratic primary, since that hasn't stopped him from getting involved in other primaries.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:32 PM

3. While I'm not one of Senator Feinstein's fans, I recognize that she is very, very powerful,

and a lot of that power has to do with her seniority. This will almost certainly be her last election. As much distaste as I have for her, I still want to see her continue in her role on the Appropriations, Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. . .

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:32 PM

4. Who made Bernie the head of the Democratic party??............he is an Independent

Trump has not endorsed her either

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:48 PM

59. Bernie had decided to endorse other Dems....so what gives, Bernie?

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:38 PM

5. So Bernie does not meet the TOS here by supporting Democratic candidates

Kind of funny, and not in a ha ha way....

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:33 PM

16. Nonsense. There are other Democrats running.

I’m a registered Democrat in California, and anticipate voting for another Democrat.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:42 PM

17. It's a primary, not the general election. A majority at the California Democratic Party Convention

literally voted to support someone other than Feinstein. Sanders is staying neutral. Why is that a problem?

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:26 PM

22. As I UNderstand It The Party Didn't Formally Endorse Anyone

and while De Leon garnered more votes at the convention, statewide she is ahead of him by 30 points.

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Response to Me. (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:42 PM

27. That's right, it didn't, nor did I say that it did, just that the Convention gave him more votes

Yup, I expect Feinstein will win, and I have no problem with Sanders staying out of it.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:27 PM

23. Uh because its Bernie. You looking for logic! 😀

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:02 PM

32. The convention did not chose to support anyone in that race

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:26 PM

38. Correct. Nor did I say that it did. No one got the needed super majority of votes

But Feinstein came in second there. That's just the facts, nothing more nothing less. I'm not arguing against supporting Feinstein, just pointing out that a minority of the Democratic Convention did. The Convention made no endorsement, and neither did Sanders. To read some of the posts on this thread one might get the mistaken impression that Bernie Sanders was out there personally organizing violent street protests against Diane Feinstein.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:01 PM

78. I don't have a problem with him staying neutral

if he REALLY stayed neutral. But he's going around the country picking and choosing which primary candidates he's going to endorse and which he's not going to endorse. So withholding his endorsement of Feinstein is not staying neutral. He's making a statement against her by refusing to endorse her when he has no problem endorsing other candidates.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:28 PM

42. i dont think DU should allow bernie stuff anymore. He doesnt support Democrats

and a great lady like Diane Feinstein should be supported.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:31 PM

45. Of course you are right but....... ....

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:39 PM

52. But what? Trashing Democratic Senator Diane is ok? Not in my book. Id love to vote 4 her

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:44 PM

54. I support Dianne, big time. I am with you on this

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:28 PM

85. Maybe we shouldnt allow California Democratic Party stuff either

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:38 PM

6. I look forward to him not endorsing anyone outside of the state of Vermont...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:33 PM

50. lol

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:52 PM

61. well...perhpas you can look forward to that on a future election cycle...he messed up 2018 already

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:43 PM

7. Feinstein has done more to promote social progress than Bernie ever will.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:49 PM

8. Yeah, I'm done with this guy

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:52 PM

9. Heavens to Mergatroyd! How has she made it all these decades without him...





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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:52 PM

10. He is all about red meat to his base.

 

Get a clue folks. He is desperately holding them together for a reason. The time for progressive state governments, parties and the DNC to make changes was last year.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:53 PM

11. Who?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:57 PM

12. Is that considered double talk?

 

Last edited Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)

because frankly, that's how this article reads.
https://ballotpedia.org/Endorsements_by_Bernie_Sanders

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:58 PM

13. "It's an issue for Democrats" . . . that's what he should have said

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:00 PM

14. Who cares?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:09 PM

15. That's good news for Feinstein! His track record on endorsements is pathetic

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:43 PM

18. Did Feinstein support Sanders? If not, why should Sanders support Feinstein?

 

Rather than supporting generally the Democrats running in the primary.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:23 PM

21. On One Hand & Then The Other

He won't endorse but he will endorse.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:32 PM

24. And why is this non-Democrat

 

getting involved in our primaries?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:39 PM

25. Because once upon a time he was a Dem

Even though he isn't anymore, he still gets to tell Dems what to do and how to think... or are you one of those elitists?

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:40 PM

26. I guess I am

 

since I don't give a crap what he thinks. To each his/her own.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:45 PM

28. I don't understand why anyone would listen to him

He should be looking after his own house, namely Nina Turner. Now there is someone as nefarious as they get.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:23 PM

36. I tend to stay away

 

from bernie threads. My disgust simply shines through.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:49 PM

29. The Democrats are only good enough for Bernie when

he's running to be their nominee. Otherwise, he's an independent, thank you very much.

I could do without him at this point.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:55 PM

30. That is the reason he should not have been on our ticket in 2016

Run as an independent, remain an independent. Run as a Dem, remain relevant to the Dem party. I don't understand it. The only thing it has caused is divisiveness. And he seems to either be blissfully unaware of the divisiveness or not to give a damn about it.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:06 PM

34. He needs the divisiveness for his Anti brand. Now it

looks like Feinstein’s turn. Bashing Democrats is $$$$.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:18 PM

67. He actually ISN'T getting involved!

This is laughable!

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:26 PM

69. Seems he considers himself head of the party. nt

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:58 PM

31. Bernie is just being a good Democrat.

The California Democratic party declined to endorse her and he is just following the official party position. It seems that many who attack him for not being a Democrat are in fact not being a Democrat themselves.

Feinstein loses California Democratic Party’s endorsement


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/02/25/feinstein-loses-california-democratic-partys-endorsement/?utm_term=.0de3993b2969

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:05 PM

33. That's not accurate.

"he is just following the official party position...

That's not accurate. He's making an endorsement. The CA Democratic party is not endorsing the same. Hence, he's not following their position... unless of course, you broaden the definition of position to the point of meaninglessness.

Bless your heart. You do try.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:28 PM

71. I fail to see the inaccuracy in the post by former9thward

 

You write, "He's making an endorsement." The OP is directly to the contrary. He's not making an endorsement.

You seem to think that "I'm not endorsing Feinstein" means "I'm endorsing her opponent." Even if she had only one opponent, that wouldn't make sense. It's particularly wrong here, where she has multiple opponents.

If you think he's making some kind of covert endorsement, please enlighten us as to whom he's supposedly endorsing.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:08 PM

35. One year of his long life he said he was a Democrat.

 

When asked why he joined the Dem Party his response was, "for Media & Money".

How is that being a "good Democrat", again?

Btw, is there a D after his name?
No.
Stop calling him something he won't even call himself.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:29 PM

44. bernie IS NOT a Democrat!!!! No not post untruths.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:45 PM

57. Refusal to endorse is the official party position.

Is it not?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:27 PM

56. Complete & Utter Nonsense

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Response to Me. (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:46 PM

58. Are you attacking the CA Democratic party?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:54 PM

62. Don't Be Silly

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Response to Me. (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:03 PM

64. i respond to posts with the same intelligence that they were made.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:36 PM

73. AS Do I

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:24 PM

37. I wouldn't be surprised if he ran as an Independent in 2020 and split the Democratic vote

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:26 PM

39. It's always something with Bernie.

 

Got old about 2 years ago.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:38 PM

46. Bernie isn't a Democrat. Hasn't he made that clear?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:46 PM

47. I live in CA and vote. I couldn't give one flying fuck if Sanders endorses the D nominee for

Senate or not. He can go pee up a rope for all I care.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #47)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:33 PM

72. In California there is no "D nominee for Senate"

 

In most states with Senate races this year, there will be a Democratic nominee but there isn't yet. I know we have a nominee in Texas. Offhand I don't know of any other primaries that have been held.

"Feinstein is favored to be one of the top two finishers in a nonpartisan primary" does not equal "Feinstein has finished in the top two in the primary that hasn't been held yet" which in turn does not equal "Feinstein is the Democratic nominee." In 2016 there was no Democratic nominee, or there were two of them, depending on how you want to look at it. (I'd say there was none because California has abandoned partisan primaries except for President.)

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:30 PM

49. I'm sure Feinstein is really really worried about Bernie's endorsement

On second thought, she's probably relieved. His endorsement has been the kiss of death for several candidates.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:37 PM

51. Can we please be over Senator Sanders?

Please?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #53)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:25 PM

55. BOOM!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #53)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 06:59 PM

63. drop that damn mic - god, if that isn't the hammer hitting that nail on the head.

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #53)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:06 PM

88. that is total fucking crap about him only employing a purity test on women. Utter crap.

 

Can you actually make that case, or do you just like saying shit that sounds good to you?


For that matter, are you even accurate that he has endorsed his own Son? Here's one of a couple articles I've found.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-very-proud-of-his-son-running-for-congress-leaves-out-endorsement/

I haven't seen anything more recent. If you have one, I'd love to see it.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #88)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:02 AM

89. You're wrong. Dan Lipinski is a woman.

 

Well, I mean, she must be, right? Because Bernie endorsed Lipinski's opponent and Bernie applies his purity tests only on women.

I guess "Dan" is short for "Danielle".

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #89)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:12 AM

90. oops...well willing to admit when I'm wrong as I'm sure we all are here...heh

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:10 PM

65. I ask again, why is this news?

I await several OPs on whether Angus King endorsed another state's senator or not.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:55 PM

74. He really makes me sick

I can't believe anybody is still buying his crap.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:06 PM

81. why should he at this stage? I don't at this stage.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:06 PM

82. Thank you, Senator Sanders.


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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:00 PM

87. Hillary Clinton has not endorsed Dianne Feinstein either

Get a grip people.

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