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Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:06 PM

BREAKING: Kurt Eichenwald releases spiked NEWSWEEK story on Trump medical health, drug use...








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Reply BREAKING: Kurt Eichenwald releases spiked NEWSWEEK story on Trump medical health, drug use... (Original post)
brooklynite Mar 2018 OP
fleur-de-lisa Mar 2018 #1
unblock Mar 2018 #5
meow2u3 Mar 2018 #16
unblock Mar 2018 #19
BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #7
MelissaB Mar 2018 #8
BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #11
Cracklin Charlie Mar 2018 #32
fleur-de-lisa Mar 2018 #9
dhol82 Mar 2018 #20
3Hotdogs Mar 2018 #46
Historic NY Mar 2018 #38
BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #64
fleur-de-lisa Mar 2018 #2
Hortensis Mar 2018 #55
blake2012 Mar 2018 #3
fleur-de-lisa Mar 2018 #4
Nitram Mar 2018 #57
octoberlib Mar 2018 #6
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #10
Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #12
OMGWTF Mar 2018 #67
gratuitous Mar 2018 #13
Rollo Mar 2018 #63
japple Mar 2018 #27
captain queeg Mar 2018 #44
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #65
Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #70
Hekate Mar 2018 #14
Shrike47 Mar 2018 #15
greymattermom Mar 2018 #23
Nitram Mar 2018 #58
j3161usa Mar 2018 #17
Scurrilous Mar 2018 #18
peggysue2 Mar 2018 #21
Glorfindel Mar 2018 #22
smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #24
bdamomma Mar 2018 #37
smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #41
Texin Mar 2018 #25
GrapesOfWrath Mar 2018 #36
Calista241 Mar 2018 #40
CreekDog Mar 2018 #53
Calista241 Mar 2018 #60
CreekDog Mar 2018 #66
Calista241 Mar 2018 #68
CreekDog Mar 2018 #69
red dog 1 Mar 2018 #72
Chakaconcarne Mar 2018 #26
pnwmom Mar 2018 #28
pnwmom Mar 2018 #29
central scrutinizer Mar 2018 #34
bdamomma Mar 2018 #39
Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #49
pnwmom Mar 2018 #51
iluvtennis Mar 2018 #30
LittleGirl Mar 2018 #33
lunasun Mar 2018 #31
appalachiablue Mar 2018 #47
Oppaloopa Mar 2018 #35
BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2018 #42
Bigredhunk Mar 2018 #43
Maraya1969 Mar 2018 #45
iluvtennis Mar 2018 #48
red dog 1 Mar 2018 #71
yuiyoshida Mar 2018 #50
tavernier Mar 2018 #54
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:08 PM

1. A juicy nugget:

According to the Toxicology Data Network at the National Institutes of Health, diethylpropion has a high risk of dependency and chronic abuse – such as taking it for years – can cause delusions, paranoia, and hyperactivity. Studies in medical journals also report it can result in sleeplessness and impulse control problems, characteristics Trump demonstrated throughout the campaign and in the weeks since his inauguration.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:13 PM

5. can we now call him a meth head?

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Response to unblock (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:58 PM

16. I think it's safe to call him a speed freak

IDK if he tweaks.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:01 PM

19. I say let them explain the difference

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:17 PM

7. Where did you read the name of thar drug?

I read it but I didn't see that specific name of the drug he is talking about.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:23 PM

8. 1st sentence in the 4th paragraph.

The derivatives were diethylpropion, known under its brand name as tenuate dospan. These drugs are designed for short-term use; studies have concluded that patients can avoid developing a dependence on the drug if they take it for 25 weeks or less. But Trump continued downing the pills for years. According to two people

someone who said Trump would consider him a friend and a former Trump executive

the then-real estate developer boasted that the diethylpropion gave him enormous energy and helped him concentrate. A former Trump executive claimed to have picked up the medication while running errands for the boss. This person said the prescription, for 75 milligrams of diethylpropion a day, was filled at least for a time at a Duane Reade drugstore on 57
th
Street in Manhattan, a few blocks from Trump Tower. The executive said, like many celebrities, Trump used an alias for the prescription.
https://www.scribd.com/document/372716093/According-to-Medical-Records-Obtained-by-Newsweek

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:30 PM

11. Oh, I see now.

The effects wore off 25 years ago so what is his excuse now?

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:54 PM

32. Duane Reade?

Didn’t Manafort drop a bunch of dough there?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:24 PM

9. It's first mentioned in the beginning of the 4th paragraph:

3 - "The medical records and interviews with former officials with the Trump Organization reveal that Greenberg gave Trump a prescription for amphetamine derivatives in 1982 to treat his metabolic problem; the records show that Trump continued taking the drugs for a number of years and the former officials said that Trump stopped using them in 1990 at the latest.

4 - The derivatives were diethylpropion, known under its brand name as tenuate dospan."

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:06 PM

20. I believe that metabolic problem was the code word for fat

That speed was very effective for weight loss.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:24 PM

46. Metabolic syndrome has three parts.

High blood pressure, belly fat and high cholesterol.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:40 PM

38. Schedule 4 controlled substance

slurred speech
trouble with breathing
twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
confusion
trouble sleeping - unable to sleep
hair loss

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:31 AM

64. Sort of explains the 3 am and 4am tweets

 

I'd bet he's still at it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:10 PM

2. And another:

Trump had always been aggressive – sometime brutal – in business as well as loose with the truth, but in the late 1980s, things had become much worse. While former employees said he had often been thoughtful and caring to his staff, he suddenly exhibited abusive behavior that at times seemed irrational. His self-aggrandizement grew to delusions of grandeur, his thin skin thinned more, his decisions grew more reckless. While he had always been a liar when it was convenient, he sputtered greater numbers of falsehoods at an alarming rate and seemed to believe them.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:27 AM

55. This is also the period he'd lost his dad's protection and

guidance. Dad had always helped Trump and kept him from crashing. For some years as dad's Alzheimer's progressed, he was increasingly on his own and developing serious financial problems.

Without the planetary explosion in the sheer amount of wealth, a world where it became normal for someone to pay a quarter to half million dollars just to provide a big trophy speaker for an event, Trump would certainly have destroyed himself. Even then he managed to hang on by monetizing his name and supplying an enormous new market for laundering the new wealth for organized crime, including Russian oligarchs.

At one point, during his investigative series on Trump, Eichenwald tweeted that he believed Trump was in a mental hospital in the 1990s. I saw that when it was posted, and it was a straightforward statement standing on its own. Whatever is going on with this, I don't believe Eichenwald's later claims that it was just part of an inside joke. That implausible retraction and a couple other things have also caused me to go cautious on Eichenwald. Great journalistic talent is not always accompanied by scrupulous ethics and judgement.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:11 PM

3. A speed junkie. Trump, fuck you and the escalator you rode in on.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:11 PM

4. And one more:

The worst impact of this recklessness may have been on his business; before the late 1980s, Trump usually focused on one major project at a time to ensure everything met his exacting standards. By the end of the decade, his reckless shopping spree was legion: he borrowed billions to open one Atlantic City casino after another, launching another one before any had turned a profit and ultimately creating a business model where he was competing with himself. As the scaffolding under his gaming business started collapsing, he borrowed even more money to buy his own airline. All of those late-1980s businesses flopped, sending Trump companies into multiple bankruptcies.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:35 AM

57. That explains a lot. He's just a wealthy tweaker.

Impulsive, short attention span, always looking for more stimulation, grandiose, with feelings of omnipotence and godlike power.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:15 PM

6. Spy magazine alluded to this in the late 1980's.

that Trump had a Dr. Feelgood who would prescribe him amphetamines.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:31 PM

12. I had to stop watching the cable shows about Hitler's rise to power

The parallels were too scary to contemplate.

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:24 PM

67. That's Why I Call Trump "Twitler"

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:32 PM

13. It was reputed that Hitler liked animals, particularly dogs

So yeah, Hitler and Trump have their differences.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:27 AM

63. Actually, there's an eyewitness report that Hitler beat his dog mercilessly...

He was almost as sick as The Donald.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:35 PM

27. They were both germophobes, both eschewed alcohol and tobacco and both

feared being poisoned and the list is endless...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:58 PM

44. Oh oh. You beat me to it

I’ve been thinking trumps rise to power has a lot of similarities to Hitler and Germany for a long time now. Biggest contrast were that Hitler was very smart (unlike...you get the picture) and that Germany was much more homagenous. But both men ruthless.

I can tell you’ve read about Hitler and Dr Morrell; his personal pusher. Not sure about Donnie’s early years but he likes to brag about never drinking and Hitler was a vegetarian. Hitler hooked up with Dr Morrell to treat his digestive issues including horrible flatulence. At any rate Hitler was really a political genius and combine that with ruthlessness he set the world on fire. And the timing of his rise coincided with new technology; radio and movies with sound. The propaganda fell on fertile soil. Trump has the internet. Maybe if we can survive humanity will learn how to curb proooganda.

I think if he’d had stayed in that mode we’d all be speaking German now but I really think Hitlers drug use set him up to fail. Like a lot of drug users it really helped him at first. I can’t really pinpoint when he started going off the deep end. (I’d guess during the battle for Moscow and kept going). In the earlier days of the war he stayed out of his general’s way (mostly). But I think when the Russian campaign started dragging on: that’s when his usage skyrocketed along with the grandiosity that came from being a speed freak. He was so convinced of what a genius he was (very stable genius) that he took direct control of the military and as he got deeper and deeper into the drugs he really lived in his own fantasy world which meant 10s of millions would die.

Sort of the end chapter with Hitler was he finally had to begin to see how bad things really were and of course he wasn’t going to take amy responsibility so decided Germany was unworthy of his greatness. He actively tried to destroy what was left Germany. I could certainly see Trump acting like that. But let’s temember one of my first points; Trump is really stupid thank God.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:58 AM

65. I was aware of Hitler's Dr. Feelgood, but I didn't know

that Der Führer was horribly flatulent as well as being otherwise horrible. I am now imagining the bunker scene in "Downfall" with frequent farting, and I wonder if Trump is also a passer of gas (considering what he eats, that's pretty likely). He's the sort of guy who'd let a silent one loose in an elevator and deflect blame by glaring at the person next to him.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:45 PM

70. I spoke with my 15 year old great nephew last night.

He is studying Hitler's rise to power in his history class right now, and he can see the parallels. I've never heard him say anything about politics before.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:53 PM

14. Wow. What Eichenwald said about Newsweek is as juicy as the rest, in its way

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:56 PM

15. One possible conclusion from the article is that his current behavior is similar to when he used.

Does he have a new prescription?

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:12 PM

23. Does that drug cause sniffing?

Just checking.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:37 AM

58. Meth is not usually snorted, so it shouldn't cause sniffing. That would be cocaine.

It could be he just switched brands.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:58 PM

17. Dare I say it! Cause Ya Know It's Comin---"FAKE NEWS!"

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:58 PM

18. K&R

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:10 PM

21. Think about those rallies when . . .

Trump was positively unhinged. Or several interviews where he's been unable to string a single cogent thought together. The unedited version of the Wall St Journal interview, for instance. He was bonkers!

IMHO, the Trumpster's behavior and affect have always sounded, looked and read like a man flying high on . . . something. Chronic, long-term use of these drugs do real cognitive damage.

We're looking at a truly damaged carcass.

Btw, yes the comments about Newsweek are equally appalling. But I think many of us suspected that a number of journos and editors were in on the fix.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:12 PM

22. I took Tenuate Dospan for a while in the 1990's. I lost 16 pounds, but I'd rather be fat.

Sleeplessness, nervousness, anxiety, etc., not a bit of fun.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:17 PM

24. I wonder if he picked up the heavy Diet Coke habit when he went off the drug.

He drinks 12 Diet Cokes a DAY! That is a serious amount of caffeine to ingest, especially for someone as unhealthy as he is. Between the speed and the massive Diet Coke consumption, he must have done some serious damage to his heart.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:40 PM

37. serious damage

to his heart???? what heart smirkey???


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Response to bdamomma (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:53 PM

41. You have a point!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:23 PM

25. His current behavior would seem to suggest he never actually quit taking that drug.

If not that one specifically, he may be taking another by a different prescriber (or obtaining it illegally - just sayin').

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Response to Texin (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:39 PM

36. This was my thought too

It just explains a lot, the pieces just fall into place

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Response to Texin (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:43 PM

40. But he had a doctor who has literally seen him every day

Get up there and say he wasn't on these drugs.

The same doctor who worked with Obama for the past few years.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:33 AM

53. The doctor is reporting what his patient told him

if you lie to your doctor in your exam, they'll report what you said, not that you lied about it unless it's verifiably false.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #53)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:52 AM

60. The doctor ran blood work and other tests that would have uncovered drug use.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #60)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:01 PM

66. the doctor did not run a drug test on him

oh, what tests would those be?

does your doctor run drug tests on you?


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Response to CreekDog (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:27 PM

68. You can think whatever you want.

But a real, believable, credentialed, military doctor (who was also Obama’s doctor) examined the President and went on TV to say he was in excellent health.

Your evidence is an anonymously sourced story that even the media outlet that produced the story would not run it.

You and anyone else who pitches this ‘scandal’ have a super high bar to overcome. And even if you did overcome that bar, nobody would give a shit. W Bush snorted coke. Bill Clinton smoked weed. Nobody gave a shit then either.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:31 PM

69. WHAT TEST detects that drug?

and if you're saying he took a drug screen or that a cholesterol test or complete blood count will show his drug use, YOU'RE the one making stuff up, not to mention, ignorant stuff at that!

it is also quite standard for physicians to ask about your eating habits, drug use, etc. and to report those responses in your record. but in your world, the doctor is either clairvoyant, gave Trump a lie detector test or gave him a drug screen that would detect that drug.

and you accuse me of making shit up.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 05:50 PM

72. "Bill Clinton smoked weed"?

He did admit that, but he claimed that he "didn't inhale."

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:28 PM

26. FDA indication is for obesity... Schedule IV

....and he is pushing obesity...... Perhaps explains why he is able to get by on 4 hours sleep a night.

Adverse Effects

Common

•Cardiovascular: Increased blood pressure (Mild), Palpitations - rapid (Mild)
•Dermatologic: Rash, Urticaria
•Gastrointestinal: Constipation, Nausea, Stomach cramps, Vomiting, Xerostomia
•Neurologic: Central nervous system stimulation, Dizziness, Headache, Insomnia, Pain
•Ophthalmic: Blurred vision, Mydriasis
•Psychiatric: Restlessness

Serious

•Cardiovascular: Cardiac dysrhythmia, Cardiomyopathy
•Hematologic: Agranulocytosis, Leukopenia
•Neurologic: Cerebral ischemia, Cerebrovascular accident
•Psychiatric: Psychotic disorder (rare)
•Respiratory: Idiopathic pulmonary arterial hypertension
•Other: Drug dependence (rare)


Monitoring

•reduced appetite
•weight loss
•blood pressure
•baseline cardiac evaluation; ECG during and after treatment if cardiac toxicity is suspected [2]
•onset or aggravation of exertional dyspnea, unexplained symptoms of angina, syncope or lower extremity edema
•psychological disturbances


Contraindications

•advanced arteriosclerosis
•agitated states
•during or within 14 days of MAO inhibitors
•glaucoma
•history of drug abuse
•hypersensitivity or idiosyncrasy to sympathomimetic amines
•hyperthyroidism
•severe hypertension




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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:42 PM

28. So his sniffing and snorting during the debates could be related. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:43 PM

29. With his weight, junk food and diet coke intake, and everything else, I don't get

why he's still alive.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:06 PM

34. Keith Richards is still alive

Human bodies can take a lot of punishment

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:42 PM

39. ......

oh that's bad, made me smile though.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:21 PM

49. hard for evil to die

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #49)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:44 PM

51. Only the good die young. He proves the platitude. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:43 PM

30. This drug use may have been in the 80s, but I thought he was on something during the 2016 election..

...remember the debates and all of the sweating, post nasal drip, and slurred speech. He was definitely on something.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:05 PM

33. I've been saying that for months now

the dude is drugged up.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:45 PM

31. Tenuate? Wtf did he think it was keeping him fit?? Delusional

Or maybe it was stopping that extra bucket of chicken......

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Response to lunasun (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:59 PM

47. USA Today, March 1: After Chicken Panic, UK Now Faces Gravy Shortage.

We know why!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:22 PM

35. This explains the sleep problems among others.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:54 PM

42. Wow! n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:57 PM

43. Cheese-N-Rice!

I didn't get all the sniffing during the debates. I argued with a friend of mine who thought drumpf did it to throw HRC off (didn't work of course). I didn't think that had anything to do with it. And, of course, there wasn't much media coverage of it. Al Gore sighed and we had to alert the church elders. drumpf audibly sniffs constantly through 3 debates and nobody says much about it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:05 PM

45. Don't forget the Trump sniffles during the first debate with Hillary.

I also with one of the reporters had asked the White House doctor if Trump had been tested for Cocaine during his physical

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:57 PM

48. Ditto

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 05:43 PM

71. He denied that he had "sniffles" after that first debate with Hillary,

he claimed that the "sniffling" sound was due to a "bad microphone"

However, he also had sniffles during the second debate as well.
(Was that also due to a "bad mic"?)

He's a pathological liar, and this shows that he lies about everything!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:21 PM

50. I am willing to bet The President has never

tried Weed.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:07 AM

54. The President?

I think Obama wrote about it in his book, if memory serves.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 12:31 AM

52. What gets left out of discussions about the effects of drugs

Is the user's personality previous to using. Most folks don't like being all jacked up for weeks on end........

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:19 AM

56. the idiot-in- chief

 

will escape this one also. 66 million + people plus GOP don't care if the IIC goes out on 5th Ave in new York and murders someone, probably-perferably by them, AN AA. Much Ado About Nothing. It won't change a thing except my perception that we have a very dangerous sociopath as potus being enabled by a very racist administration and the GOP.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:51 AM

59. Perhaps the most valuable person on Trumpy's staff is...

KellyAnn Speedway! She has the right appearance. I'd venture a guess that she knows where the drug stores are.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:58 AM

61. any of these drugs have the side effect of uncontrolled sniffling?

Especially when under the stress of having Hillary Clinton beat your sorry ass all over the debate stage?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:03 AM

62. Glad he mentioned editor Jim Impoco.

Jim has protected his reporters and shepherded other hard-hitting stories into the public eye.

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Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:04 PM

73. Re: Trump's "sniffles"

He's still taking Finasteride, a hair loss medication.
One of the many side effects of this drug is "runny nose"

"Trump Health Exam: President Still Taking Hair Loss Drug.."
{Newsweek, Jan. 17, 2018}
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