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Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:34 AM

A YAHOO explanation of what happened...

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Sometimes somebody in the comments on YAHOO hits the nail on the head..

Or at least pretty darn close.... well... so far....

In response to an article about Kush getting the shaft, as it were..

Trump and Jared needed money. No legitimate bank would loan them a penny. They went to Russia begging. Russia 🇷🇺 contacted Deutsche Bank and expressed a willingness to guarantee the loans that Trump and Kushner were looking for. Russia demanded that Trump conspire with it to elect him POTUS thereby insuring relief from US sanctions. Trump agreed BIGLY. Deutsche Bank extends credit. Vlad hires trolls to hack various key states. Trump wins election via the Electoral College. Within one month of inauguration, Trump Administration calls for the removal of sanctions against Russia. Any questions?

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pangaia Feb 2018 OP
Iggo Feb 2018 #1
pangaia Feb 2018 #7
politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #61
stopwastingmymoney Feb 2018 #62
ancianita Mar 2018 #66
smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #2
brush Feb 2018 #39
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #52
yardwork Feb 2018 #59
YessirAtsaFact Feb 2018 #3
pangaia Feb 2018 #6
YessirAtsaFact Feb 2018 #9
pangaia Feb 2018 #11
DemocracyMouse Feb 2018 #15
pangaia Feb 2018 #18
YessirAtsaFact Feb 2018 #16
Texin Feb 2018 #21
erronis Feb 2018 #28
brush Feb 2018 #38
pangaia Feb 2018 #40
brush Feb 2018 #43
pangaia Feb 2018 #47
brush Feb 2018 #48
pangaia Feb 2018 #49
N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2018 #4
stopwastingmymoney Feb 2018 #63
malaise Mar 2018 #70
Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #5
pangaia Feb 2018 #8
Raster Feb 2018 #29
PoiBoy Feb 2018 #10
pangaia Feb 2018 #12
Orsino Feb 2018 #13
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #53
Orsino Mar 2018 #65
Duppers Feb 2018 #14
spanone Feb 2018 #17
titaniumsalute Feb 2018 #19
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #24
yardwork Feb 2018 #60
lunatica Feb 2018 #20
pangaia Feb 2018 #25
lunatica Feb 2018 #58
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #22
Justice Feb 2018 #23
pangaia Feb 2018 #26
ffr Feb 2018 #27
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #30
Auggie Feb 2018 #34
pangaia Feb 2018 #42
uponit7771 Feb 2018 #35
pangaia Feb 2018 #41
StatGirl Feb 2018 #57
onecent Feb 2018 #31
Moostache Feb 2018 #32
pangaia Feb 2018 #44
DownriverDem Feb 2018 #33
pangaia Feb 2018 #45
Botany Mar 2018 #64
cubbies01 Feb 2018 #36
Upthevibe Feb 2018 #37
pangaia Feb 2018 #46
orangecrush Feb 2018 #50
KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2018 #51
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #54
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #55
pangaia Mar 2018 #68
Corgigal Feb 2018 #56
FailureToCommunicate Mar 2018 #67
pangaia Mar 2018 #69

Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:38 AM

1. Wanna keep this somewhere where I can easily find it. Thank you!


"Trump and Jared needed money. No legitimate bank would loan them a penny. They went to Russia begging. Russia contacted Deutsche Bank and expressed a willingness to guarantee the loans that Trump and Kushner were looking for. Russia demanded that Trump conspire with it to elect him POTUS thereby insuring relief from US sanctions. Trump agreed BIGLY. Deutsche Bank extends credit. Vlad hires trolls to hack various key states. Trump wins election via the Electoral College. Within one month of inauguration, Trump Administration calls for the removal of sanctions against Russia. Any questions?"

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Response to Iggo (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:04 AM

7. Spread it far and wide...

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:38 PM

62. There were other sanctions in place before those

Read up on Exxon, Tillerson and Russia's state oil company (Rosneft?)

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Response to Iggo (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:52 AM

66. Deutsche isn't legitimate, either, since it's been repeatedly caught laundering for Muscovites.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:38 AM

2. Sounds about right.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:47 PM

39. Yep, billions, maybe even trillions, in Russian oil was being held up by the Obama sanctions.

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Putin probably even dangled a piece of that to trump too if he'd go along with stealing the election then lifting the sanctions.

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Response to brush (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 05:48 PM

52. Dangled it in front of Carter Page too cause they knew from the spy ring how keep he was ...

To get into the Rosneft action.

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Response to brush (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:19 PM

59. That's why the CEO of Exxon became Secretary of State.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:39 AM

3. For once, it really is that simple

It’s a shame we are so polarized that the Republicans can’t see it or are unwilling to admit it.

The party of hard line cold warriors is ignoring an obvious attack on our democracy

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:02 AM

6. Polarized has nothing to do with it.

it is state/corporate run propaganda, which includes fox tv.,,

And hate radio, and complete and utter ignorance and/or stupidity, and/or bigotry, and/or racism, and/or pure greed, and/or........ in some large percentage of the population.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:08 AM

9. Polarized has everything to do with it

Fox and talk radio exist to exacerbate the polarization, but it’s all my team/your team to a lot of people, especially people who listen to Fox and talk radio all the time.

Polarization makes people defend Trump when he is obviously wrong, because the team has become more important than the truth.

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:13 AM

11. I see what you are saying. You are right.

I was thinking of the polarization differently, - maybe as just, 'well different sides see things differently and so...', . but the term has certainly taken on a new additional meaning, as a tool, at least as I understand it.

Or maybe it always WAS a tool and I just never knew it.


thanks,



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Response to pangaia (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:28 AM

15. It can be both you know

Read the late artificial inelligence researcher, Marvin Minsky's book, Society of Mind. Multiple strategies which are effective at one time or another are encoded in the mind (and in memes/culture) and well up under different historical circumstances. We who strive for a "more perfect union" must build up an array of counter strategies and respect the diversity of efforts by our well-meaning colleagues. Just sayin'.

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:39 AM

18. "It can be both you know"

yes, I agree..

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Response to pangaia (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:30 AM

16. You are welcome

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:55 AM

21. It suits their purpose. They don't care about anything else.

They are unconcerned about democracy or the republic. They've got theirs. They want your's too and they're perfectly willing to lie, cheat, steal, defraud and disenfranchise the majority to do it. In their minds' it's Me First.

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Response to Texin (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:19 PM

28. And in their minds, They Deserve It! Worked Really Hard, SMARTER, GREATEST, good genes

Good genes means being born into some wealth or the right skin color, sex, height.

Now the new HUD Secretary Carson - I just don't know. I think he was set up.

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Response to erronis (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:39 PM

38. I too wonder what's up with the fuss over Carson's expenditure of 31k for office furniture?

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I mean 31k is 31k but the way repugs splurge on traveling first class, lining their own pockets

whenever they can and funneling billions upwards to their rich sponsors, 31k for office furniture

seems like really small potatoes to make an issue out of.

Who's got it in for Carson?

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Response to brush (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 02:52 PM

40. Who's got it in for Carson?



ME !!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to pangaia (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 02:57 PM

43. Explain, pls. Seems like a set up...the one AA in the admin...

when the rest of them are splurging everywhere you look.

And no fan of Carson here. I'm surprised he was away to ok the expenditure.

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Response to brush (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 03:04 PM

47. He is a self-serving, ignorant, mindless piece of shit.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 03:05 PM

48. No argument there, but they all are.

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Response to brush (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 03:19 PM

49. He also believes the vile shit that come out of his mouth.



Check this out-

If you dare.. I got through about 20 seconds, then almost threw up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pence-suggests-legal-abortions-103923231.html

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:47 AM

4. History books may well use that...

as the set-up paragraph for this twisted story.

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:42 PM

63. Wins the thread, nt

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:46 AM

70. Indeed

It's brilliant

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:49 AM

5. Trump is a wholly owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc...

that has been obvious for quite some time to anybody who has been paying attention or who is not willfully ignorant.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:06 AM

8. It is really, I am sure. much deeper and complicated than just that..

From a recent OP here on DU--
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/27/1745021/--A-Warning-and-History-Lesson


This article in DAILY KOS about Ambassador to Germany William Dodd and a speech he gave in 1933, practically in the face of Hitler. Is a remarkable history lesson.

One paragraph jumps out immediately.

"I had no delusions about Hitler when I was appointed to my post in Berlin, but I had at least hoped to find some decent people around Hitler. I am horrified to discover that the whole gang is nothing but a horde of criminals and cowards"

Plus, American fascists have been slowly, but inexorably working toward just this outcome for decades.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:23 PM

29. Word!

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:11 AM

10. I would imagine that somewhere along the line...

...the loan "guarantees" would turn into loan "forgiveness" depending on how much trump would do for Russia...








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Response to PoiBoy (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:14 AM

12. I wish Honda would 'forgive' my car loan.


But somehow I do not think that is going to happen...

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:18 AM

13. Is this consistent with Trump planning to lose...

...so that he would never have to bother with axing the sanctions? Did he think he was going to get free, or that once he lost, Russia wouldn't care so much about using him as a political pawn?

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Response to Orsino (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 05:56 PM

53. As long as he made greatest effort possible how could they penalize him?

I mean, the fact that he was purportedly expecting to lose could be a ruse, or it could just be simple fact based on the polling numbers at the time. Either way, not sure how, even if true, it negates the theory in question here.

There may've been a fallback plan where if he lost, he'd snipe and undermine Hillary constantly and lobby publicly for the removal of the 'unfair' sanctions, whining that we could all have lower gas prices if Russia could develop these oil fields they currently cannot, that they'd partner with US-based Exxon, things like that.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 08:31 AM

65. I think the whole point of Putin's inference was to install a lazy dilettante in the WH.

I seriously doubt that Trump was privy to that plan, and was run by lower-level Kremlinians.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:20 AM

14. Nailed it!

Succinct and well done!!

+1000



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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:31 AM

17. pretty simple.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:42 AM

19. Basically what I have been saying since last year

It is so cut and dry and obvious.

Now add in the Republican congress...I think some of the main players (Speaker, Maj Leader) are also in bed. Trump has basically said to them "If we stick together we can pass all the shit that our base (mouth-breathers) and our financial base (the billionaires) want us to pass. If we stick together then we can try to be re-elected. So back me up no matter what."

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:01 PM

24. Most of the gop leadership took russian oligarch dirty money.

Ryan, mcconnell, mccain...

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:22 PM

60. I agree. The whole GOP got Russian money. Don't forget the NRA.

An international crime ring took over the US.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:50 AM

20. I truly appreciate this explanation!

It's all put out there in such a complicated way that it isn't always clear. I like that I don't have to wait for the movie to come out to understand this very simple connection.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:02 PM

25. The movie. :)))))

And there WILL be one..

but not until we get rid of the fascists.. which may be a while

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Response to pangaia (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:52 PM

58. Well one good thing about Hollywood is

Hollywood doesn't git a crap about fascists! Somewhere they're already laying the foundation for such a movie.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:59 AM

22. Bush 2.0 only sold our military to the saudis. 45 sold our

Foreign policy, are environment, our ecomony, our infrastructure, our healthcare, and then threw in nato as a bonus.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:01 PM

23. It is what we all have known for some time now. It's not complicated. It's not hard

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Response to Justice (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:03 PM

26. I was so surprised to see it in a yahoo comment...

sometimes I read the yahoo when having coffee.. but it never lasts long.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:03 PM

27. Quid-pro-quo

The one who smelt it, dealt it. The Red Herring. tRump was out first saying Hillary was quid-pro-quo with whomever, it doesn't matter. And the M$M still hasn't caught onto the fact that it was Russia's quid-pro-quo with tRump.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:49 PM

30. The other addition that was missing from the statement but supports it

happened during the RNC convention when the party platform on Ukraine was changed.

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

By Josh Rogin July 18, 2016

The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

<...>

On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”

Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”

That amendment was voted on and passed. When the Republican Party releases its platform Monday, the official Republican party position on arms for Ukraine will be at odds with almost all the party’s national security leaders.

<...>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.617af46b86eb

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:09 PM

34. +1. More had to be involved in this than just the Trump campaign too ...

GOP leadership for one.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 02:56 PM

42. No question...

The fascistas(sp?) have been working toward this for decades.. MANY decades...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:11 PM

35. +1

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 02:55 PM

41. What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free? It seems like a simple thing.



DUH !!!!!!!!



THE question, ain't it..

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:17 PM

57. That was the loyalty test

Without showing that he could deliver on the platform change, Trump wouldn't have received Putin's help for the general election.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:05 PM

31. K & R...keep it running

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:05 PM

32. Bingo...its ALWAYS about the money with these people and their ilk...

GOP "leadership"? McConnell and Ryan are neck deep in conflicts of interest and Russian money of their own. They won't do anything to directly bring that heat on them...like everything else, their plan is to delay, deny and obfuscate as long as necessary for this to go away. It always does in their playbook, no matter what.

Trump is a criminal and has been one his entire adult life, probably well before that. He is nothing but a fraud to his core and everyone knows it, most painfully of all, himself. He obsesses about being liked because he self-loathes and has daddy issues that were never resolved. It is not complicated at all...he is a jackass that knows in his private thoughts that he is an imbecile out of his depth and flailing around like a drunk on a 3-day bender at last call.

The money is the reason he sold his soul to Putin, the illicit loans and back door deals are the crimes that got him his sweet, sweet Rubles; and the inept cover-up and moronic yes-men are going to be the trigger that brings it all down on his head.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 03:00 PM

44. Pretty darn good post..

" self-loathes..."

That, in my view, is the basic psychological sickness with all of them....

They hate themselves, are afraid to look at themselves because of what they fear they may find,(aren't we all to one degree or another), and thus live their lives in a type of drugged state of unreality.. The consequences for the rest of humanity is appalling.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:09 PM

33. One Question

What about pence?

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 03:02 PM

45. They are all into it up to the eyeballs to one degree or another.

Pence is just another sick, delusional fuck along with the whole crowd, deeply mentally disturbed, emotional stunted and sexually repressed.

No charge for the diagnosis.




Personally, I doubt pence is actually an earthling.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 07:50 AM

64. Newsweek Manafort (Russian agent) picked Pence to be V.P.


http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412

Russia is way deep into the Republican party.


Before Trump formally announced Pence as his vice presidential candidate, it was Manafort who made sure it happened, The New York Times reported last year.

Trump had hesitated to settle on Pence, who was governor of Indiana. Trump was fielding last-ditch appeals from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and publicly said he had not made a “final, final decision” until advisers like Manafort reminded him of the importance of uniting the GOP around conservative Christian values.

CBS News reported that Pence was Manafort's "first choice" and that Manafort even lied about mechanical problems on Trump's plane to make the soon-to-be GOP nominee stay an extra day in Indiana to get to know Pence. In a phone call, Manafort assured Trump that Pence was the right choice and made a case that won over the real estate tycoon.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:22 PM

36. Solid and logical

One thing I would add that is not much spoken about but I honestly believe Russia has been involved with far right wing nuts in US for over a decade creating a populous who is not concerned about Putin and Russia. In fact, the like him.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:27 PM

37. Thank you....

I just cut and pasted this into a word document for reference. I LOVE DU!!!

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Response to Upthevibe (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 03:03 PM

46. You are welcome.

The downside is I just admitted that I sometimes read yahoo, and even worse the comments !!!!!!


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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 04:21 PM

50. perfectly clear.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 04:48 PM

51. Chapter "X" of the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

Starting with Nixon (just in my time), there's been so many through the years, I've lost track. It's no wonder since they're so good at propagating their bullshit while concealing their real motives.

Thank you Hill and Bill for coming up with that phrase.


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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:10 PM

54. Mostly agree 'cept I'll even take it one step further ... the money they were loaned ...

WAS RUSSIA'S MONEY. No doubt carefully obscured with 12 layers of shell companies in Azerbaijan or whatnot, but it was Russian dough, if not Putin's himself.

I.E. it was not just a 'we'll guarantee the loan' type of deal but rather it was literally their money. I'm sure steps were taken by the people in on the scam at the bank to obfuscate that fact, but if Mueller had forensic accountants go over the banks records I bet you they'd have found the evidence.

They couldn't just hand it to a soon-to-be Presidential candidate in a briefcase so their had to be an intermediary and the legal imprimatur of a loan ... and thats where Deutsche came in.

We already know they were up to their eyeballs into laundering Russian cash (to the tune of $10B) hence them being prosecuted and fined like $750M recently.

How much you wanna bet that any recent loans to Kush and Trump ... came from that $10B kitty?

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:36 PM

55. Oligarchs and deregulation were part of the payoff

the right to pollute freely is worth a lot of money

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:43 AM

68. Right you are, pollute, abuse resources, drug prices, medical costs,

private prisons and schools.... media monopolies,, etc etc etc...

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:22 PM

56. Plus Trump didn't think he would win.

So, what's some Broadway for a few months and done.

Russia played a Trump better then Trump played Russia. Everyone is losing. Including Russia when we get our house in order.

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Response to pangaia (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:29 AM

67. AND Russia funneled $$ thru the NRA. And. And. And. Meanwhile, behind the main show...

flash and bang, the Republicans trip over themselves in joy to ram thru as much of their decades long agendas as they can before (or if) the whole enterprise is busted open.

A spy novelist would have gotten rejections from publishers if this were the plot of their book: "Too far fetched. No reader will believe this could happen in America"

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:44 AM

69. I sure didn't believe it many years ago, either.

I saw all the pieces of evidence piece by piece, but....

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