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Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:58 AM

 

The way I see it Manafort has two choices




SHRED
@Hobie_SHRED
#Manafort has two choices as I see it in light of Gates flipping.

1. Cooperate with #Mueller and risk him and his family's safety to the Russian mob.

2. Don't cooperate with #Mueller and face prison the rest of his life.#MuellerTime

7:55 AM - Feb 24, 2018

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Reply The way I see it Manafort has two choices (Original post)
SHRED Feb 2018 OP
SummerSnow Feb 2018 #1
SHRED Feb 2018 #2
SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #9
Me. Feb 2018 #13
SHRED Feb 2018 #14
SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #15
Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #26
cojoel Feb 2018 #35
jrthin Feb 2018 #12
redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #38
justhanginon Feb 2018 #10
Grammy23 Feb 2018 #18
justhanginon Feb 2018 #29
njhoneybadger Feb 2018 #3
SHRED Feb 2018 #5
njhoneybadger Feb 2018 #17
Grammy23 Feb 2018 #19
mercuryblues Feb 2018 #4
SHRED Feb 2018 #6
mercuryblues Feb 2018 #27
Codeine Feb 2018 #7
Grammy23 Feb 2018 #20
Dale Neiburg Feb 2018 #21
Historic NY Feb 2018 #8
Me. Feb 2018 #11
wishstar Feb 2018 #16
SHRED Feb 2018 #22
HughBeaumont Feb 2018 #23
SHRED Feb 2018 #25
Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #24
matt819 Feb 2018 #28
SHRED Feb 2018 #31
orangecrush Feb 2018 #30
C_U_L8R Feb 2018 #32
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #33
grantcart Feb 2018 #34
shockey80 Feb 2018 #36
SHRED Feb 2018 #37

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:00 PM

1. decisions, decisions

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:03 PM

2. Yes it is

 

He's gonna need his thinking cap and big boy pants for this one.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:10 PM

9. This is ridiculous, there is a third option

And that is the one he is obviously choosing:

---Get a pardon from Trump.

I have no doubt that he has been promised a pardon if he just keeps his mouth shut. He could put Trump in jail. Why would anyone think that this is not going to be the end result of his situation?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:12 PM

13. He's Still Faces Charges IN NY

and Schneiderman is fierce

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:13 PM

14. My understanding is

 

A pardon will not immunize him from being compelled to testify.
Also, that State charges are also pending which can't be pardoned.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:15 PM

15. Maybe so

Maybe my reaction is too simplistic, but I see him stonewalling and figuring he does better with Trump protecting him than going against Trump and getting 10-15 years anyway.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:51 PM

26. The rub is real patriots like us will NOT sit back and watch these

people walk.

We have to make it very clear that is NOT an option.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:48 PM

35. pardon of state charges

Pardon of state charges can typically be issued by the Governor of the State. Both the State of New York and the Commonwealth of Virginia have Democratic Governors who are not willing to turn a blind eye towards these crimes, so it isn't much hope for Manafort there.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:12 PM

12. LOL

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 07:21 PM

38. When Gates flipped Paul filled his big boy pants.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:10 PM

10. Sometimes it pays dividends not to lead a greedy corrupt

life in the pursuit of money. I'm sure it is nice to have three houses and all the accoutrements of that lifestyle. Unfortunately I guess at some point you will probably have to pay the piper. That involves as you said "decisions, decisions" with really no upside.
I think a more modest lifestyle may have lead to better sleeping at night.

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Response to justhanginon (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:25 PM

18. And he might not have been tempted to be indebted to a Russian oligarch.


His pursuit of the finer things in life led him to make some very risky decisions. He flew under the radar for some time, but then he got swept up into the tRump campaign and the scrutiny on him increased dramatically. How a so-called SMART GUY could have allowed himself to get himself in such a position is beyond me. On the other hand.....Putin has his ways of getting what he wants, no? So the pressure from Derypaska and Putin must have been enormous to do what they required of him. Dangling the canceling of his enormous debt was too good to pass up.

Iíve said it before. This story is gonna make a hell of a movie plot line.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:57 PM

29. You are so right. In their quest for wealth there never

never seems to be enough and we can see the consequences as he should have. Unfortunately, it seems people who have this burning desire for more, more, more either never consider the ultimate sad endings to their quest or somehow think their wealth and power will enable them to get away with it. As you said, once you raise your profile especially at the national level and couple that with a corrupt administration you invite scrutiny. Does not end well.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:06 PM

3. That's bad for us and the World, We need a plan for his safety to bring tRump down

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:07 PM

5. Perhaps those details are being worked out?

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:21 PM

17. Yes

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:29 PM

19. If I was in Manaforts designer boots,


I might beg to be locked up. The possibilities of Putin or one of his stooges slipping some poisoned brownies to Manafort are endless. I dare say his anal sphincter is as tight as a drum when he goes anywhere. He knows.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:06 PM

4. 3rd choice

Give Mueller any reason to send him to the Ukraine; they want their money back that he helped pilfer. How will he fair in the Ukraine justice system and do they have the resources to keep him from being poisoned/falling out a window/car accident/mugging gone bad?

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:08 PM

6. They'd kill him there

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:54 PM

27. for sure

If he even made it there. I would not want to be on a plane where Manafort is a passenger. Sure they want their money back, but they won't be heartbroken if he ended up dead.

Manafort's best case of survival is to give Mueller what he wants. The Government puts his family in hiding and him in jail.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:09 PM

7. The Russian mob will get him even more easily

in prison.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:31 PM

20. Poor sap. He really stepped in it this time.


Truly no place to run. No place to hide. Sucks to be him.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:39 PM

21. Probably (I would guess)

more easily in Sing Sing or Attica (if he takes a pardon) than in a nice cushy federal pen.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:09 PM

8. If he can't pay back the money I heard they make concrete overcoats in his size.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:10 PM

11. No Choice

They can reach him in prison, retribution and a warning to anyone who is thinking of stealing from them. Witness protection for he and his family seems the only option but where can you put a guy who has been in the news for months.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:15 PM

16. His unusual statement seems intended to reassure Trump/Russia that he's staying "strong"

unlike Gates and Flynn. By speaking out against Gates' plea deal, Manafort thinks by alleging he isn't cooperating puts him in a safer position. I wonder if Mueller's team will secretly visit him at his home to discuss plea deal since he is under house arrest and it would be quite obvious if he were allowed out to meet with special counsel.

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Response to wishstar (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:41 PM

22. It's getting real dicey for Paul

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:45 PM

23. 3. Never face 1/16 oz. of consequences as usual.

In America, repercussions are for non-Republicans.

They got away with relative wrist-slaps for Iran-Contra, the Ginned-Up War on Terr'r, S&L and crashing the economy twice, they'll get away with this.

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:49 PM

25. I sense this is different

 

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Because it's an attack from Putin.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:46 PM

24. pRison vs. pOison

His choice boils down to 2 letters.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:54 PM

28. Talk about being a flight risk!! (nt)

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Response to matt819 (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:03 PM

31. No kidding however...

 

...would his family be in jeopardy?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:02 PM

30. Working for Russian mob is DANGRROUS?!?


Who knew?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:05 PM

32. Choice two with a two scoops of wishful thinking

that Trumpstain will pardon his ass.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:11 PM

33. Manafort and Gates are probably safer in prison.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:38 PM

34. only if the Russian mafia has never seen Breaking Bad lol

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:59 PM

36. Manafort has no choices.

He's fucked.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:00 PM

37. Perfect

 

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