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Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:46 PM

Breaking News: The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just issued a new congressional map for 2018 election


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Reply Breaking News: The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just issued a new congressional map for 2018 election (Original post)
sunonmars Feb 2018 OP
PatSeg Feb 2018 #1
lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #44
malaise Feb 2018 #2
JDC Feb 2018 #3
Johnny2X2X Feb 2018 #4
Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #8
n2doc Feb 2018 #5
awesomerwb1 Feb 2018 #6
Leghorn21 Feb 2018 #7
FarCenter Feb 2018 #9
FarCenter Feb 2018 #11
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #13
Tatiana Feb 2018 #15
FarCenter Feb 2018 #17
Tatiana Feb 2018 #18
gratuitous Feb 2018 #23
Fritz Walter Feb 2018 #32
SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #26
Hong Kong Cavalier Feb 2018 #24
NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #33
FarCenter Feb 2018 #20
FarCenter Feb 2018 #21
GeoWilliam750 Feb 2018 #35
John1956PA Feb 2018 #10
Gothmog Feb 2018 #12
spanone Feb 2018 #14
IronLionZion Feb 2018 #16
bronxiteforever Feb 2018 #31
Iliyah Feb 2018 #19
orangecrush Feb 2018 #22
HootieMcBoob Feb 2018 #25
John1956PA Feb 2018 #27
HootieMcBoob Feb 2018 #29
pnwmom Feb 2018 #28
Rebl2 Feb 2018 #34
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #41
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #30
RainCaster Feb 2018 #36
Turbineguy Feb 2018 #37
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #38
Takket Feb 2018 #39
brooklynite Feb 2018 #40
gay texan Feb 2018 #42
durablend Feb 2018 #43

Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:48 PM

1. K&R

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:10 PM

44. K&R2

Great news!

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:48 PM

2. Get thee to the greatest page

Rec

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:49 PM

3. K&R

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:51 PM

4. Did they pick one that was presented or make their own

Making their own would be most fair, but would make a further court battle possible. Taking one of the options presented would cause the least kick back.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:56 PM

8. Pacourts.us is having heavy traffic...trying to load to see maps.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:51 PM

5. Cue the squealing from Repukes. n/t

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:52 PM

6. Potentially great news

Hopefully we gain a few seats because of this.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:52 PM

7. Excellent!!! Thanks, Sun!! nt

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:57 PM

9. map from twitter account in OP

 

:large

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:58 PM

11. current map since 2013 from wiki

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:02 PM

13. WOW, a map that doesn't look like a jigsaw puzzlr...

what a difference!

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:04 PM

15. Districts 9 and 10 of the current map -- just shameless.

Thank goodness we still have some rational people at the highest levels of our judicial system.

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Response to Tatiana (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:07 PM

17. How about 6 and 7? 7 doesn't even appear to be contigous, although it might follow a highway

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:09 PM

18. 7 too! Good Lord.

This was completely designed to dilute Democratic voting strength.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:46 PM

23. Yeah, District 7 is in a class by itself

I've seen more coherent bug splat on my windshield.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:57 PM

32. It WAS called "Goofy kicking Donald Duck"

They should have just called it fucking-Goofy.

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Response to Tatiana (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:01 PM

26. In SC Jim Clyburn is the only Dem out of 7 seats

His district includes downtown Charleston on the coast and extends to downtown Columbia in the geographic center of the state.
About 1/3 of our voters are non-white, so a random plan should create 2-3 minority seats. But by packing AA voters in one district they all but assure the GOP of winning the other 6 districts.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:56 PM

24. I made a gif to see the differences.

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Response to Hong Kong Cavalier (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:05 PM

33. Thanks!

That's quite a difference.

Hopefully, Democrats can pick up a few seats because it's not gerrymandered to hell anymore

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:32 PM

20. Governor Wolf's proposal to the Supreme Court

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:36 PM

21. Here are the 7 proposed maps for Pennsylvania's congressional districts

 

http://lancasteronline.com/news/pennsylvania/here-are-the-proposed-maps-for-pennsylvania-s-congressional-districts/article_47f6b37e-1342-11e8-9a51-bb07e30711af.html

The new Supreme Court map is different from all of them. E.G. None of the proposals have Franklin and Adams in the same district, but York in a different district.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:54 PM

35. Saner district mapping is likely to result in a saner country

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:58 PM

10. The 14th Congressional District

The 14th Congressional District shown in the southwest corner is the subject of a currently hotly contested special election.

On edit: The March 13 special election is for the 18th Congressional District shown in the current gerrymandered map. Most of the area covered in the current 18th district will be contained by the 14th district of the new map which will apply to the May 15 primary races and the November 6 general election.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:00 PM

12. Yeah

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:03 PM

14. K&R...

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:05 PM

16. Ooh, this should make things more competitive

The people in many districts have had no choice for far too long. Competition is good for democracy.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2018/02/19/New-congressional-map-released-Pa-Supreme-Court/stories/201802190114

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:40 PM

31. +100 Repukes luv competition except for their jobs!

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:24 PM

19. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I know the GOPer's are fuming. LOL . . . . . .

I can hear them now. We are the VICTIMs. Why you hate ussssssssssssssssssssssss. It's HRC and Obama's fault!

Expect them to cheat and try to steal 2018.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:41 PM

22. Repubs having a major tantrum here



Music to my ears!


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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:57 PM

25. The 18th district

Looks like the 18th district will be pretty much just the city of Pittsburgh. That puts the special election in a whole new light. The city of Pittsburgh is not in the 18th at all as it’s cure drawn.

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Response to HootieMcBoob (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:07 PM

27. I think the March 13 special election is for the currently-drawn 18th.

I am thinking that, regardless of whether Regardless Lamb or Saccone wins on March 13, they will gain their respective parties' nominations in the May 15 primary for the 14th district.

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Response to John1956PA (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:20 PM

29. That makes sense n/t

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:13 PM

28. R's say they're going to appeal to a Federal Court.



Republican lawmakers say they will swiftly ask federal judges to block any new map.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:06 PM

34. Figures

I heard this morning if the court approved their own map, they would take it to a higher court.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:20 PM

41. It was the PA Supreme Court that imposed the map

so there is no other "higher court". The GOP is trying to take it to the federal courts, where they were already rebuffed by the SCOTUS earlier this month because this was a PA state Constitution issue (the current map violated the state Constitution that had explicit provisions for how the maps should be drawn - e.g., "compact", "contiguous", etc) and thus should not necessarily be under federal jurisdiction ("states rights" ), because "states" decide on and set up their own voting districts.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:27 PM

30. We're discussing the new map in this thread

if you care to come over and join in.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141991921

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:13 PM

36. This is winning

Trump is wrong, I will never get tired of this.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:13 PM

37. That's below the belt.

Now they have to rely on ratfucking and election tampering.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:36 PM

38. PA Governor Wolf issued a directive to move to paper audit trail

as systems are being updated over the next couple years....

02/09/2018

Wolf Administration Directs that New Voting Systems in the Commonwealth Provide Paper Record


Harrisburg, PA – The Wolf administration is taking steps to increase the security and auditability of all voting systems used in the commonwealth.

Acting Secretary of State Robert Torres today issued a directive that all commonwealth voting systems purchased from February 9, 2018, forward must employ a voter-verifiable paper ballot or paper record of votes cast.

“This directive will ensure that the next generation of the commonwealth’s voting systems conforms to enhanced standards of resiliency, auditability and security,” Secretary Torres said. “The current voting equipment in counties works and can be audited. But new voting machines with paper ballots or voter-verifiable paper backup will improve auditability and augment security.”
Over the next few years, Pennsylvania’s counties will replace much of their aging voting equipment. This directive informs them of the specifications they must consider when purchasing new voting equipment. The department wants to be sure counties move to voting systems that meet their needs for accessibility and security and make audits easier."

A directive requiring a paper record of voting is necessary because:

  • It is in line with modern equipment offered by voting system manufacturers;

  • It will allow counties to expand their auditing practices. Auditing of voting equipment is an essential part of guaranteeing a system’s integrity and accuracy.

  • It will enable compliance, if future legislation requiring a paper record is enacted at the state or federal level; and

  • It will ensure that Pennsylvania’s voting system can achieve resilience by enhancing its ability to withstand and recover more rapidly from disruptions.


  • “We want to be proactive and replace older voting systems before their hardware and software become obsolete. This directive is a first step in that modernization effort. We will continue to work closely with the General Assembly and county officials to implement reforms that enhance the accessibility and integrity of Pennsylvania’s elections,” Secretary Torres said.
    This directive does not preclude a county from purchasing equipment that supports and maintains a county’s current voting system for as long as that system is certified for use in the commonwealth."

    http://www.media.pa.gov/Pages/State-Details.aspx?newsid=261

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    Response to sunonmars (Original post)

    Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:42 PM

    39. this is a great victory for democracy! hope this standard spreads nationwide

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    Response to sunonmars (Original post)

    Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:12 PM

    40. Just to be clear...this does NOT affect the PA-18 (Conor Lamb) race next month.

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    Response to sunonmars (Original post)

    Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:50 PM

    42. wailing and gnashing of teeth from the GOP in 3, 2, 1..... n/t

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    Response to gay texan (Reply #42)

    Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:53 PM

    43. Oh it's already happening

    They're insistent that this will be tossed out by USSC

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