Fuck Jill Stein

[we can do it]

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Yes, of course; but what brought this on just now?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. She was just interviewed on MSNBC re the Russian indictments.

What a kook.

[William Seger]

46. Thanks

I watch quite a bit of MSNBC, but I don't know why the OP assumed everyone is watching it right now.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

59. A lot of people here assume that everyone else is watching

whatever they happen to be watching at the moment.

[left-of-center2012]

82. I know. Isn't it funny?

We're supposed to think and act as one.
Wasn't that 'the Borg' on one 0f those sci-fi TV shows?

[we can do it]

88. I'm sorry, didn't mean to post and run. Had something come up right after I posted.

[maddiemom]

50. Never a fan of Stein's, who always seemed smug and less than "grounded" to me.

I never understood her fan base. Watched her today, also. She was off the rails, and still blaming both parties for all the "voter turnoff," which honestly is not totally untrue; however she takes no blame, as usual or admits anything about the Russians. Same old Jill Stein b.s. rant. I see there's a followup now, and she doesn't seem to have many fans. Hopefully we won't see her running again.

[we can do it]

90. This, exactly.

[not fooled]

109. Understandable why she'd why to deflect blame

After all, she had a material role in turning the election towards the orange turd. Millions are suffering and will suffer. She's either a sociopath or burying her guilt.

[Maggiemayhem]

61. She is not the only kook in that party

[mountain grammy]

63. I was listening.. turned it off.

I have no interest in what she has to say.

[we can do it]

89. More disparaging crap, I hope she gets nailed in the investigation.

[radical noodle]

139. Did you notice that she never

answered a question, just threw out talking points right and left. She absolutely would not say that she didn't know or that she didn't get more votes because of the Russians.

[kimbutgar]

2. She appears unhinged and guilty as hell

She’s on MSNBC now with Alex Dewitt. I have to say Dewitt is restraining herself. Joy won.d have ripped her a new one.

[dalton99a]

4. She's panicking

[crazylikafox]

6. She's probably thinking that an orange jumpsuit is not her best look.

[crazylikafox]

5. Yup. Totally.

[maddiemom]

53. Yes! I'd love to see Joy have a go at her. She's not really that relevant anymore, however, to be

worthy of Joy's attention.

[Botany]

3. No thanks

But I would like a chance to speak to her face.

[gordianot]

8. Stein was rabid frothing at the mouth.

Classic

[RandomAccess]

11. I know. I couldn't believe it.

It was pathetic. At times screaming.

And serious logical fails too: I couldn't believe she was trying to say that because the newest indictment contained only ONE instance of a FB post on her behalf, that's apparently all there was. If she's that ill-informed about how various parts of our government runs, she has no business running for President in the first place.

She also insisted that everyone who voted for her were her votes, and not stolen from Hillary. I'll agree they weren't stolen from Hillary, but I know of a ton of people who voted for her because they didn't LIKE Hillary -- and everyone here does too. IOW: they weren't "her votes" going in.

[Cha]

125. But she did steal Votes from Hillary because

stein lied her head off during the campaign.. and she said.. vote for me(my lies).. even in the swing states.

If stein hadn't lied about Hillary being worse than trump then maybe her fans would have cared enough, and voted for the Planet and everything else that trump is now destroying.'

That gets lost in.. her whiny.. "they were my votes"

She pissed off Green Party members too..

The pro-Kremlin talking points of Jill Stein

snip//

Indeed, at this point, offering to send any funds to Stein would appear to be money down the drain for Moscow. By all appearance, Stein seemed more than willing to spout Kremlin talking points at every turn – and all, it appears, for free.

To be sure, Stein received a wealth of support from the Kremlin propaganda channel RT. Not only was her campaign, as NBC noted, “heavily promoted by RT,” but she opted to participate in the 2016 Green Party presidential debate, broadcast on RT. Where other Green Party candidates boycotted the debate because it was hosted on a Russian propaganda channel – one candidate described it as the “worst kind of representation of what the Green Party should be” – Stein instead lauded the hosts, describing the debate on RT as a “step towards real democracy and an inspiration for … millions of Americans.”

Of course, Stein’s most prominent moment during the presidential campaign came via RT – and through an intersection of the Trump campaign’s relationship with Russia. In late 2015, Stein memorably joined Michael Flynn – who recently pled guilty for lying about his interactions with Russian officials – and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow at a gala celebrating the ten-year anniversary of RT. Stein later described the attendant RT conference as “inspiring.”

Stein also shared the conference billing with Julian Assange – whom Stein in 2016 hailed as a “hero in my book,” and who, remarkably, even made a speaking appearance at the Green Party’s convention.

More..
https://thinkprogress.org/jill-stein-campaign-russia-ecf424ac3b7e/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10254310

[skylucy]

9. Not just a Russian tool...also an idiot.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

10. Saying that she drew votes from Trump. She distorted & muddied info that's emerging. GUILTY as hell

This is from her interview this morning with Alex Witt MSNBC

[RandomAccess]

12. I don't think she's guilty of anything other than being

colossally stupid. COLOSSALLY stupid. And self-serving. She MAY have been one of those useful idiots, though.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

17. Why was she at a table in Russia with Putin & Flynn? The stupidity/"I don't recall" defense is BS.

How these very calculating, smart people become "stupid" when it comes to answering for what they've done as confronted by the facts.

[RandomAccess]

19. I'm not interested in defending Stein, but I am interested in

the truth of any matter.

She was invited to attend (fact), and the event was attractive to her and some of her policy goals so she accepted. She was used, IMO. Your opinion may be that she was intentionally, openly, knowingly complicit - but it's only an opinion. For now at least, there is no proof of it.

I must not have seen the portion of today's interview you're referencing (if that's what you're referencing), but a portion I saw was a pretty robust explanation of what she was doing there.

[louis c]

39. If you're a Jill Stein apologist...

...you're a Trump enabler.

Period

[Botany]

42. +1

n/t

[RandomAccess]

43. If you can't read any better that that

you're a disruptor.

I am NOT a Stein apologist, I'm interested that the facts are held primary over all.

I did the same thing for George W. Bush when I encountered inaccuracies about him. And I'd do it again and more.

If we can't support the FACTS, we are no better than our political opponents.

And for the record: I can't stand the woman. I've always been suspicious of her. And now I know (IF you're capable of better reading comprehension than you've shown on this so far) that she IS a liar.

[louis c]

69. I know the difference between the word "That" and the word "Than" when I read

We can at least agree that Jill Stein was (and apparently still is) a "useful idiot" for Putin's (and Trump's) purposes.

[RandomAccess]

84. Was and apparently still is --

I never said otherwise.

[PatrickforO]

62. I've got to go with Random Access on this one.

Stein is a kooky person who is nearly as awesomely unqualified as Cheeto for the presidency.

She was a spoiler, and due to Russian interference sucked off crucial votes that would have put Clinton in the WH.

But to say she colluded? We don't know that yet.

Due process, remember? Because when I get the itch to throw someone who is accused of something off the cliff, I force myself to stop for a moment and ask myself, 'what if this was me being accused like this?' That puts it in perspective.

Everyone gets due process. We're ALL entitled to it.

Period.

[louis c]

68. There is an old saying in Russia: "Useful Idiot". Stein is at least that.

[PatrickforO]

80. I can definitely go with that. Certainly at the very, very least, the same can be

said for Cheeto. Still, I think HE colluded. He's crooked as a corkscrew. No morality at all.

Stein is just old-fashioned bonkers. As you say, a useful idiot.

[RandomAccess]

87. You do realize, don't y ou

that I said exactly that in my first post in this subthread??

[louis c]

92. After you apologized for her

And, I'm saying that's the least she is, a "useful idiot". I still think, in the end, she will be implicated in some way.

In her interview, she thinks that the DNC or the American press putting a "finger on the scale" for a candidate is equivalent to a hostile, foreign power doing the same thing.

Stein could easily be caught up in this and try to use ignorance as a defense. She may have a point, she sure is ignorant, as well as anyone who voted for her.

[RandomAccess]

85. Thank you very much

It's always shocking to me when fellow travelers have trouble affording "the other side" actual facts. Due process too (tho this isn't technically about that, still the principle does apply I think).

[louis c]

95. "Fellow travelers".

An apologist for people mentioned as involved (albeit, unwittingly) in a Justice Department indictment about fixing a US Presidential election by Russians.

You should look up what a "fellow traveler" is before you use the term.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

47. "Robust explanation"? She sounds like a damn liar. Everything she said this AM was a distortion.

drawing votes from Trump?!??! one "small" Facebook ad placed for her by Russians?!?? - what the hell is she talking about? - She's a liar. Her "robust explanation of what she was doing there" fits right into her bullshit.

[RandomAccess]

49. To be clear

I basically agree with you -- but to clarify:

I was referring to a few sentences in the middle of all that where she did give a robust (def: strong and healthy; vigorous) explanation of why she was there. A few sentences.

So please don't attack ME for her. I am NOT supporting her; I am NOT defending her. I AM trying to just defend a few actual facts.

And for the record, putting forth "a robust explanation" does NOT necessarily exclude that the explanation contains lies.

[CreekDog]

151. why was she more approving of Putin's policies than that of Democrats?

She wouldn't have gone to a Democratic dinner as a polite observer/guest.

But the guy who routinely invades countries, cracks down on the LGBTQ community, whose corrupt to the bone, she'll be his guest?

[RandomAccess]

160. I have no idea -- and frankly don't care

As I said: I'm not interested in defending her. You'll have to look elsewhere for your answers. ALSO as I've said (in another post in this subthread), I can't stand the woman and have always been suspicious of her. I've always thought of her as self-serving.

[Demsrule86]

153. I don't think she was used...she is piece of crap that helped elect Donald Trump and I sincerely

think she colluded...she and the Greens have colluded with the GOP for years...taking money even. This time it may land her in jail branded as the traitor I always thought she was.

[lapucelle]

77. Today Jill said she attended the Russian media award dinner

to discuss nuclear disarmament.

In December she said:

"[W]e made the trip with the goal of reaching an international audience and Russian officials with a message of Middle East peace, diplomacy, and cooperation against the urgent threat of climate change, consistent with long-standing Green principles and policies."

Do yourself a favor, Jill. Stick to one lie, and write it down so you don't forget.

https://www.jill2016.com/for_immediate_release_monday_december_18_2007

[TomVilmer]

156. I really do not see a lie there...

At the RT forum Stein noted that the United States, and to a lesser extent Russia, are wasting enormous sums of money on military spending that is not increasing the security of either nation.
"The United States is now embarking on a $1 trillion program to update its nuclear weaponry while we are slashing programs to fight hunger, address homelessness, and provide economic security for our people," Stein noted. "In Russia also, money runs short for critical needs because of the heavy burden of military spending. Imagine how much better off the world would be if our two nations could lead the way for the major powers to reduce the size of our military establishments. We could invest the money saved in something truly beneficial - such as job creation to expand renewable energy and stop climate change. Ending our multinational fossil fuel addiction will make disastrous wars for oil obsolete in the first place."
https://www.jill2016.com/stein_in_russia_calls_for_principled_collaboration

I am always happy to be a useful idiot. Much better than just being an idiot!
(But would never vote for Jill Stein anyway...)

[lapucelle]

159. She should have said it in her press release.

And she shouldn’t’ have referred to cuts in the military budget as “nuclear disarmament”, unless, of course, she doesn’t know the difference.

[Demsrule86]

33. Her behavior suggest she has much to hide...money from the Russians? Is she one who helped with the

conspiracy?

[RandomAccess]

45. I don't know. NO ONE DOES yet (except possibly Mueller)

Thinking back, I think she was glad to get it -- now whether she understood WHAT she was getting or not, I don't know.

[Me.]

37. I Think Among Other Things She's A Grifter

I'm thinking of her 'challenge the election results' scam.

[RandomAccess]

44. Agreed

[luvtheGWN]

75. Way back in September 2016, Jack Beatty

on NPR's "On Point" called Trump Putin's Useful Idiot. Couldn't have been more prescient.

[obamanut2012]

81. lolz

[oberliner]

64. She didn't draw any votes from Trump

Only from HRC - whom she attacked relentlessly.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

67. She LIED & said she did. Her interview was all lies. nt

[we can do it]

91. I agree. Another shrieking hyena. Guilty, lying sack o shit.

[D23MIURG23]

13. I rec'd this so hard I almost broke my mouse n/t

[we can do it]

94. You just made me spit coffee.

[Doodley]

14. The Jill Stein hatred reminds me of Hillary Clinton hatred. Where's the evidence?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

22. on DU

For starters, there's a nice photo of Putin, Flynn and Stein, all cozy in Russia. She doesn't have to be an active conspirator like Flynn; she can be just a useful idiot for Putin.

Her cozying up to anti-vaxxers just for their money is sufficient for me to be disgusted with her.

[Cary]

28. Excuse me, but when did Hillary Clinton draw votes off a Democrat?

I don't recall her having done that.

[Doodley]

100. Are you saying you don't believe third-party candidates should run?

Do you apply that standard to Evan McMullin?

[Cary]

103. If you want to deny Al Gore.in favor of.George W. Bush, or

Hillary Clinton in favor of #fakepresident then by all means run a third party.

But you can't run and you can't hide from the facts.

[progressoid]

122. Or George H W Bush in favor of Bill Clinton.

Ross Perot gave us the 92 election win.

[revmclaren]

36. We see you...

[Hortensis]

66. You have never looked at Stein's behavior and record?

She's been a public person for a long time now. Ignorance is no excuse for insulting a solid, admirable Democrat like Hillary Clinton by making a false comparison between her and a person of repeatedly demonstrated and documented poor character and judgement.

The Green Party under her is sadly no more than a dysfunctional spoiler sewer where ignorant malcontents and misfits continue to look for something they never find before moving on again. A fluctuating membership of something in the area of 200,000 among a U.S. electorate of 235,000,000 eligible voters, 200,000,000 of them registered.

[Doodley]

101. I do not disagree, but where is the evidence she conspired with Putin as some claim?

[Hortensis]

110. I didn't claim that. But I will point out that all these people

knew at some point that the trumpsters, the Republicans, the right-wing media, the Koch-type billionaires, the other left wing/third party candidates, AND Russia were all working for the same goal--to defeat the Democratic candidates, their efforts supplementing each other, benefiting from the same political lies. They KNEW that and used it.

At no point did any of the other left-wing candidates denounce what was happening and join the Democrats to stand against it, even though by the time they realized Russia was a player on their sides none would have believed they themselves could win by votes.

Although I never claimed Jill Stein was actively conspiring with Russia, it would be interesting to know if she was and, if not, just when she realized Russia was campaigning for her.

[nolabear]

15. Theyre about to discuss that interview.

If only “Fuck Jill Stein” could be the topic.

[OnDoutside]

70. Excellent.

[benld74]

16. Pass

[Hermit-The-Prog]

21. me neither

[TNNurse]

18. I do think that covers it.

[NurseJackie]

20. Jill Stein can FUCK OFF!

[George II]

23. I wanted to jump through the screen and slap some sense into her.

[smirkymonkey]

26. Something like this would be in order, I imagine...

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[George II]

73. Classic.

[HootieMcBoob]

24. We can than The Green Party

For giving us President Bush in 2000 and President Trump now. They are responsible for decades of delay in getting closer to any of the issues that they claim to support.

[Adrahil]

34. They fit the description of useful idiots to a tee....

Not much better than the MAGAts, IMO.

[we can do it]

96. Setting us back seems to be their objective.

[R B Garr]

25. She is a total fraud. The comments from the JPR crowd

about her are delusional. Who could believe such a fraud.

[Cary]

58. Amazing.

Isn't it?

[R B Garr]

72. It is truly unbelievable. Literally not to be believed.

And to suggest people throw their vote away on her just makes you go hmmmm.

[Cary]

79. I don't want to say "write them off" but that is the only logical conclusion

And then these people, Stein supporters, have the nerve to try to say that I and people like me need to try to win them over, as if I have something to gain by going down their rabbit hole.

[MichMan]

76. Yet so many here gladly donated $$ to her

They are the ones that should be held accountable for enabling her by financing her message. How people could be so complicit in her "recount" scheme is beyond me

[R B Garr]

150. It is shocking. And her interview today! She knows how to

keep the divisiveness going. No facts, just constant conspiracy and insults. Divisiveness = $$$$$. She’s a total fraud.

Hard to believe people are still promoting her here.

[shockey80]

27. She was sitting at the same table with Flynn and Putin.

Asshole.

[Blue Owl]

29. With a hammer and a sickle

n/t

[getagrip_already]

30. I said the same thing when she came on msnbc....

unfortunately I heard some of the interview. pure bullshit.

She is claiming that her voters would never have voted if she didn't run.

bs.

They were disenchanted and enraged by the focussed bot traffic. They wouldn't vote for trump, but used stein as a way to not vote for clinton.

The thing that made it SO effective was EVERYONE was saying clinton had the election sewn up. Votes didn't matter.

I STILL hear that from busters who didn't vote for clinton.

[louis c]

31. I saw this OP and it says it all.

Jill stein is a duplicitous, no good fucking lying scumbag.

Jill Stein and Ralph Nader have done more to hurt this country than any two other people in American history.

[Demsrule86]

41. Yes they did ...just about every bad thing cames as a result...United, no child left behind,

911, two wars that we have lost, Korea got Nukes under Bush, big tax cut for the rich,huge deficit and an economic debacle...what we didn't get ...health care, minimum hourly rate raise, reasonable gun control, infrastructure spending and job growth.

[MountCleaners]

106. Bush stole it

Bush stole the election. Read Greg Palast. Thousands of people had their votes thrown out or couldn't vote.

[Demsrule86]

154. The fact remains had the Green asshat not run...Gore would have been president.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

32. DOES THIS MEAN her gig as a perennial prez candidate ev 4 years is over? Lets hope so! BTW has she

ever run for or won any other elected office, or anything? Is it like she has to be president, or nothing? Thats a big red flag right there.

[maddiemom]

56. I think she ran for some local office, once...and lost.

Other than that, it's been POTUS or BUST! with her.

[mcar]

123. If she's not back someone just like her will take her place

The Green Party, unfortunately, seems to live to hurt Dems in presidential elections.

I'd be more supportive of the party in general if they ran candidates in local and state elections. That's how you build a party. Not by just coming along every 4 years and acting like you've got credibility.

[EricMaundry]

35. kick!

[randr]

38. I'll pass on the fucking part

but I would love to see her tarred and feathered.

[revmclaren]

40. K&R!

[LonePirate]

51. Just checked. A proud Stein voter is the #1 group host of a certain group here at DU.

[Leghorn21]

52. Shes trending at #7 right now...fun tweet:

Link to tweet

?s=20

[blue-wave]

54. Hopefully Mueller has

a few surprise indictments for her team too. I'm so glad I never donated to her "recount" effort. Seemed very fishy from the beginning.

[we can do it]

97. Another thief and traitor, as well as anti-vax idiot.

[Pachamama]

55. No thanks to fucking her....but would enjoy spitting in her face....

She is a horrid person and as far as I am concerned, a willing participant and traitor against our country working with the Russians....

[Bleacher Creature]

57. Why is MSNBC giving her a platform? NT

[we can do it]

98. I was wondering that, too.

[volstork]

60. What happened to the millions of dollars

she collected after the election to " investigate voter fraud" in PA, MI, AND WI? Did she pocket it?

[stonecutter357]

65. She is a JPR type !

[workinclasszero]

71. Need I say more?

Mission accomplished Comrade Stein and Flynn!

[LiberalLovinLug]

104. Uh ....yeah you do

So what are you and the other CTs on here saying?....that she did not come as a Green Party rep on their own dime to be a part of the conversation on what was "an invitation to speak on international relations at the RT 10th anniversary media conference...with the goal of reaching an international audience and Russian officials with a message of Middle East peace, diplomacy, and cooperation against the urgent threat of climate change, consistent with long-standing Green principles and policies."? Because the Green Party is respected as a legitimate voice on the topic in almost every other country (besides the US)? A party that wanted to be seen and participating, because lord knows they get little coverage otherwise.

Instead you and others go all Alex Jones, and insist...what?...that she was there to secretly meet behind closed doors to coordinate the stealing of the 2016 election for Donald J Trump. Someone who is the antithesis of the Green Party platform? I can't speak for Flynn, but she had zero influence on who was invited or who the GOP sent.


I could post a picture of Bill and/or Hillary or Obama, meeting with Putin, or attending a conference too. Using this one picture over and over to 'prove' Jill Stein is working with Putin is flat out crazy.


I think I have a theory to this irrational hatred of Stein. As someone who is from a country that is used to more than two major parties, (although the third is not a large party), but also knowing that most other democracies around the world do not run with only two party system, I am beginning to think y'all just are not used to that to the point of thinking anyone that dares to run other than the two ordained parties has no right to do that.....democracy be damned. I laugh and am sad at the same time reading on DU the vitriol against a party that they would agree with on their platform probably 95%. Their only crime is that they are competition from the left. Americans, both left and right, are so deathly afraid of having more than two parties to choose from they go bat shit rabid against anyone that dares to raise their heads. Even if they only get 1% of the vote! That is the only conclusion available....you are deathly afraid of other ideas, other parties having a voice, and especially if they actually agree with most of what you do as well. That's the worst!

No I'm not advocating voting Green, only want to express my ongoing astonishment at the closed minded viciousness against Stein I read in here. She obvously will never attain power, so she's not doing it for that. Or money. Is there anyone on here that can be open to the possibility that she just may actually believe in the platform of the Green party and that, even if in your mind you think she is deluded, that its important to fight for those principles (once again principles that you probably agree with) because she truly believes that? Or that, as here in Canada, the NDP more left party existing is actually a GOOD thing as it helps to push the conversation from the left and influences the government from that direction? And that having only one other party in the game from the far right is not as good? That shutting down and demonizing Stein, and the Greens, only helps anti democratic forces like the Kochs and Trump etc..?...anyone?

Its just funny, not in a ha ha way, to see this hatred dished onto someone who dared be nominated to another party other than one of the two sacred hallowed ones, and participate in a free democracy because she thought (however much you may disagree) that there was a better way.

[earthshine]

108. What a great post! Looks like no one wants to argue with you.

But, they do want to argue.

They are angry that others don't love Hillary the way they do.

[LiberalLovinLug]

161. Thanks earthshine

Yes, unfortunately that anger goes all the way back to the primary. When someone dared to challenge her. It wasn't so much that Bernie may have won, which he came surprisingly close even with the obstacles put in his way, but his biggest crime to many, IMO, was that he always topped the polls on trust and popularity, ahead of her.

And thus there was this giant blob called "the enemy" that was created, which was made up of anyone from anywhere that stood in the way, from far rightwing nazi groups, to Fox News, to Trumps team, to Bernie, Sarandon, and of course Stein. No distinction made between them. After she lost the CE vote, it was decided that everyone else must have been working for Trump and Putin, some way some how they must have exchanged notes. Even Steins efforts at a recount was pillared as some kind of trick play. If Hillary had won, (which she should have), Stein and her 1% of the vote would not even be discussed.

I'm not saying Stein does not have flaws, and maybe they could have had a better leader, but the Greens are another small voice from the left in the country that is awash in conservative media tropes. I just find it kind of sad and a waste of energy.

[Maven]

115. LOL. Looking at your journal and the first post is a clip from the RT Russian propaganda network.

Says it all.

[sheshe2]

117. Seems the Green Party does not agree with her.

Indeed, at this point, offering to send any funds to Stein would appear to be money down the drain for Moscow. By all appearance, Stein seemed more than willing to spout Kremlin talking points at every turn – and all, it appears, for free.

To be sure, Stein received a wealth of support from the Kremlin propaganda channel RT. Not only was her campaign, as NBC noted, “heavily promoted by RT,” but she opted to participate in the 2016 Green Party presidential debate, broadcast on RT. Where other Green Party candidates boycotted the debate because it was hosted on a Russian propaganda channel – one candidate described it as the “worst kind of representation of what the Green Party should be” – Stein instead lauded the hosts, describing the debate on RT as a “step towards real democracy and an inspiration for … millions of Americans.”

Of course, Stein’s most prominent moment during the presidential campaign came via RT – and through an intersection of the Trump campaign’s relationship with Russia. In late 2015, Stein memorably joined Michael Flynn – who recently pled guilty for lying about his interactions with Russian officials – and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow at a gala celebrating the ten-year anniversary of RT. Stein later described the attendant RT conference as “inspiring.”

Stein also shared the conference billing with Julian Assange – whom Stein in 2016 hailed as a “hero in my book,” and who, remarkably, even made a speaking appearance at the Green Party’s convention.

Stein’s visit to Moscow, along with her other odd views, sent ripples of condemnation throughout Green Party and environmentalist circles in Russia and Europe. A pair of Russian environmental activists blasted Stein publicly, saying they were “shocked by the position [she] expressed during [her] visit in Moscow.” Or as Balthasar Glättli, a Swiss Green Party member, said, “Some of the points that Jill Stein makes are delusional, I have to say.”


https://thinkprogress.org/jill-stein-campaign-russia-ecf424ac3b7e/

Jill sure is loving Russia....seems to me the Green Party does NOT AGREE WITH HER.

[Cha]

119. The pro-Kremlin talking points of Jill Stein

Mahalo, sheshe.. that's a compelling article from ThinkProgress.

And, here we have posters defending stein.. who Lied her head off in the campaign.. got her suckers to vote for her in swing states, too.

stein owns a chunk of trump.. and she can most definitely Fuck the Fuck Off.

Yeah, stein spouts Russian talking points for free.. ha, she doesn't do anything for free..

"Indeed, at this point, offering to send any funds to Stein would appear to be money down the drain for Moscow. By all appearance, Stein seemed more than willing to spout Kremlin talking points at every turn – and all, it appears, for free."

Yeah, stein thinks assange, the russion tool, is a "hero" in her fucking lying book.

[sheshe2]

120. All that...

The fake recount...Where is the money?

And her own party questions her actions. Hmmmm. Interesting is it not, Cha.

[Cha]

121. Yeah, the Greens are Pissed at stein.

who lied and suckered the suckers into voting for her.. and a Big Assist in getting the Climate Change Denier in the wh.

stein is "green" my Democratic

Thanks again for the riveting chock of interesting info on ol stein.

[sheshe2]

128. Ha!

"stein is "green" my Democratic "

[Cha]

137. ..

[mcar]

124. This is interesting

Stein also shared the conference billing with Julian Assange – whom Stein in 2016 hailed as a “hero in my book,” and who, remarkably, even made a speaking appearance at the Green Party’s convention.

Explains a lot.

[sheshe2]

126. Yup...

Imagine...Assange. A rapist. A hero. Woah.

Thank you me!

[mcar]

129. The ongoing Assange fandom mystifies me

Guy is a dirtbag.

[sheshe2]

130. Yet Jill thinks him a hero.

Lol! She would be awesome on women's rights if she ever became pres. NOT!

[mcar]

132. Yeah, another anti-vaxer in the WH

That's all we need, right?

[sheshe2]

133. Anti-vaxer.

Rapist supporter.

Yay. That's just what we need.

[mcar]

134. I'm betting that if she's not indicted

she runs again. And some very foolish people will support her.

[sheshe2]

135. I want indictments.

[mcar]

136. And Perp walks

I want lots of perp walks, Stein among them.

I'd pay cash money to see a Paul Ryan perpwalk.

[LiberalLovinLug]

162. She has flaws

As does any politician if you dig enough. But she represents an established international progressive issue party that makes a difference in other countries.

The RT argument is dumb IMO. So they hosted a debate? No American network would ever host it gawd forbid Americans hear other ideas. It may have changed now, I don't listen to RT anymore, but it was and maybe still is, an avenue for liberals to get the message out like Thom Hartmann who is hardly a Putin stooge. MSNBC is owned in a large part by GE, one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers, who lobby for war in Washington. Do you boycott Rachel Maddow? Why is it so difficult for some to understand that in America, there is so few opportunity to get anything even moderate/left out there, that its a good thing to take what we can get.

Putin allowed the American version because hes smart and he knew that liberal American hosts would be criticizing the right, and corporate classes Republicans, etc.. (including right wing Democrat moves as well.) Even Putin was not above criticism. One of the first of the new American hosts Abby Martin went on air and harshly criticized the invasion of Ukraine. Of course Putin didn't stop funding far right groups or trolls. His plan has always been to cause instability and have every side at war with each other. Hence trying to help Trump as well as Sanders and Stein.

Once you understand those intentions, and accept them, then you have to ask, do we take this offered air time to get out a more progressive message which is so sorely lacking in the national discourse, or do we boycott it because of who pays the bill? IOW do we help facilitate the rampant blackout of liberal messaging because we don't want to be a part of Putin's grand scheme of causing disarray. A stand that would go unnoticed and not appreciated by anyone. I think everyone has to decide for themselves if you are comfortable with that arrangement, enough to listen in on those shows or not. Like I said, same rules should go for MSNBC. We all decide if the message is more important than the ones that pay for the airtime.

I've changed my opinion on Assange, but there was a time when he was demonized by the right for helping to publicize Chelsea Manning's releases, and the "collateral murder" tape. Easy to go back in time. Like saying Obama and the Clintons were emphatically against marriage equality at one time.

Again, she may not be the right leader, and she makes mistakes, but many of her points, even in that article, are hard to argue with. My point is not so much about lauding Stein, as a person, because the same vitriol was heaped on Ralph Nader, who up to the time was hailed as an American hero for his work exposing lemons in the car industry among other things. So it goes beyond that to the Green Party itself being perceived as a thorn in the side of the Democratic party. When I look at it as just another voice that is pushing from the left, which is so sorely lacking. Just as RT, we have to take what we can get. I know its a difficult to both accept we need more influences from the left, like the Green party, but also will fight them as competitors in any election. I guess if I had to make an analogy, I'd say I look at the relationship of the Greens and the Democrats as a primary like battle in an election. They are both fighting for similar things, but have different ways and time tables to get there. But that after these "primaries" (the GE), they should be not looked upon so advesarily, just as primary candidates of the same party don't stay enemies.

I admit I am looking at this more as an international liberal. Its getting more and more authoritarian conservative around the globe. And I look at it as an international fight for our voices to be heard. This is no time for quibbling about where its coming from. IMO

[Cha]

112. Stein Lied her GD ass off in the campaign.. she and

that RF ssarandon. And, her suckers ate it up with a fucking spoon.

If they weren't such privileged lying assholes.. her fans might have cared enough for the Planet to vote for it and everything else that trump is destroying.

Fucking Russian troll.. agent for death.. while she and ssarandon sit back on their million$.. while the Planet is going to shite.

[Skittles]

74. still is, always has been a kook

[Scurrilous]

78. Can't be said enough.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

83. Deflection by Stein

[rockfordfile]

148. She's defending Trump and Russia. Didn't really answer any of the questions

[we can do it]

86. Sorry to post and run! (I had to deal with an unexpected flight change.)

[locks]

93. Jill Stein was mentioned by the Russians on ONE FB post in the indictment

I certainly did not vote for her but I don't think her campaign took votes away from Hillary and we need to listen to independent liberal voices, not just the DNC.

[earthshine]

107. Most people who would vote for a Stein type would not be inclined to vote for a Clinton type,

no matter what the circumstances.

I don't understand why these Hillary supporters think they are entitled to the votes of others.

Many people who wanted Bernie and Stein were never Dems to begin with.

I voted for Hillary, but only because she was the Democratic nominee. I don't particularly like her and her ties to Wall St. (Friends with Henry Kissenger? Makes me want to wretch.)

At the time, I was living in NY and voted for Hillary to be my Senator. Seemed like a real good idea, because I liked her as the first lady.

But, after she enthusiastically voted for the Iraq war, I liked her no longer.

[David__77]

127. I generally agree.

I would just add that many people who were and are Democrats also supported Sanders.

[earthshine]

147. It is a very understated point that Bernie attracted many outsiders to the Dem party ...

... and then, many of them, could not register to become Dems due to arcane rules.

I think Bernie's team could have done a better job helping us to navigate this briar patch of rules from state to state.

But, people were attracted to his message.

[Cha]

113. Stein took votes Away from Hillary Because

she Lied her gd ass off in the campaign.

If she hadn't Lied to her Sucker fans.. they might have voted For the Planet and everything else that trump is now destroying.

So, yes, Stein took votes away from Hillary in Swing states.

She owns a big ol chunk of trump.

[mcar]

131. She most certainly did take votes away

Just like that fool Nader in FL 2000.

[Cha]

138. Yeah, By their LIES, mcar..

their little talking point does NOT work.

[mcar]

144. Yep!

[Cha]

145. ..

[paleotn]

99. Stein's soon to be fashion accessory....

[Takket]

102. if you think it is going bad for Stein in this thread...

check out twitter. She is trending there now and getting LAMBASTED, as she should be, for being a traitor.

At least drumpf was never stupid enough to make a video of himself in Moscow lambasting the US!!!!!!

[samir.g]

105. She belongs in prison

for the rest of her life, along with the trumpanzees

[LBM20]

111. I'd rather not. Not my type. (But seriously, yes, she is out there on the fringe.)

[McCamy Taylor]

114. No, please don't do her any favors. She should be shunned, not courted.

Now, if by "fuck" you mean "let's consign to her jail" then yeah, I am with you. But anyone who would allow herself to be used as a third party splitter by a foreign power in order to support Capital against the needs of the working class is a traitor in more than one sense of the word and deserves to be in prison, which, I believe, are currently single sex. Unless she can get conjugal visits.

[we can do it]

143. Figuratively, and as someone suggested above, with a hammer and sickle.

[dgauss]

116. So when do the "LOCK HER UP!" chants start?

[Pepsidog]

118. Yes. F Jill Stein, and by the way, F Ralph Nader too. Back stabbing bastards

[we can do it]

142. Yep. Him too...

[yuiyoshida]

140. You mean...this Jill Stein?

The only one missing at that table is TRUMP.

[we can do it]

141. Thats the one.

[CentralMass]

146. No thank you.

[TrollBuster9090]

149. Nah. Just FUCK THE IDIOTS WHO VOTED FOR HER...

...claiming that there was no difference between Clinton and Trump. Same gang of dipshits who voted for NADER in 2000, claiming that there was no difference between Gore and Bush. Rank stupidity isn't exclusively a conservative thing.

[we can do it]

155. Them too.

[Cheviteau]

152. Fuck Jill Stein?

Not even with a borrowed dick.

[DownriverDem]

157. Forget 3rd Parties

We have a two party system. If folks don't like one of them they have to replace the one they don't like. That's what the repubs did in the 1850s. Voting third party might make you feel better, but all that does is help the side you really didn't want to win.

[malthaussen]

158. No, thank you. n/t

[Scurrilous]

163. This thread should be pinned.