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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:31 PM

A small ray of hope?

I have an friend - and cranky, old white guy and big Trump supporter. I think we have enjoyed arguing with each other since Trump got the GOP nomination.

Today he asked - apparently sincerely - cogent, relevant questions about the Carter Page FISA warrant and why it was important. He was fact-checking what they were selling on Faux News.

Is he converted? Does he regret his vote? Is he rooting for Mueller? No, of course not. Is he, for the first time, questioning the nonsense being pushed by Faux News? Yeah, I think so.

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Reply A small ray of hope? (Original post)
TomSlick Feb 13 OP
Xipe Totec Feb 13 #1
TomSlick Feb 13 #4
yankeepants Feb 13 #2
KatyMan Feb 13 #3
TomSlick Feb 13 #6
renate Feb 13 #14
elleng Feb 13 #5
Drahthaardogs Feb 13 #7
TomSlick Feb 13 #8
Drahthaardogs Feb 13 #10
TomSlick Feb 13 #11
Fred Sanders Feb 13 #17
TomSlick Feb 13 #18
Cha Feb 13 #9
Qutzupalotl Feb 13 #12
TomSlick Feb 13 #13
sharedvalues Feb 14 #21
RandomAccess Feb 13 #15
Upthevibe Feb 13 #16
flying-skeleton Feb 14 #19
TomSlick Feb 14 #23
sharedvalues Feb 14 #20
meadowlander Feb 14 #22

Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:33 PM

1. Welcome to the real world, Neo. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:35 PM

4. Took me a minute. Yeah, that's my hope.

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:34 PM

2. Should be a Wray of hope!

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:35 PM

3. Link?

😀

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:37 PM

6. Ah. That hadn't occurred to me.

A reasonable hypothesis.

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:42 PM

14. well done!

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:37 PM

5. He was fact-checking .

GOOD.

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:38 PM

7. Remember, the question is NOT "Why would they issue a warrant"

"for Carter Page".

The question is "What the hell was he doing working fir that administration in the first place?"

It's important to stress he has been a suspected Russian agent for years.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:40 PM

8. Sure.

AND the fact the warrant was renewed means something was being found as does the fact that so many GOPers are in full panic mode.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:47 PM

10. Oh that something is Dirty Russian Money

They all took a nice big helping. I suspect folks like the NRA were laundering it in a way. They are panicked. Turtle-man and Eddie Munster took some too.

The guys who were not involved are quitting. They know what's coming.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:50 PM

11. Baby steps.

At this point, it's enough that there was a perfectly good reason for the FISA warrant - that the warrant uncovered something - and that lots of current and former administration types are scared out of their minds.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:10 PM

17. The three renewals has gone under the Foxxx Cone of Silence....not to mention the FISA affadivit

for the original warrant is 50 pages long...Foxxx wants its minions to believe the judges, appointed by CJ Roberts, also under the Cone, are fools. They are not.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:26 PM

18. Some information is getting under the cone.

Hence my friend's questions. It's not a big deal but it ain't nothing.

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:43 PM

9. I Rec that for a ray

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:38 PM

12. I flipped past FOX a few days ago and saw the Page interview

with Laura Ingraham (of MustardBurgerGate). She was reading paragraphs from the dossier and nervously fake-laughing like isnít this so loopy? Letís ask the spy himself! Crazy, right? RIGHT?!

The problem was, the passages were not that far-fetched and line up with verifiable facts... Pageís denials are to be expected, but prove nothing. I think her stunt backfired for anyone watching carefully. It was blatant propaganda, but raised more doubts than intended.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:40 PM

13. You're braver than I.

I have used the parental block on Faux News just to be sure I don't accidentally light on it.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:29 AM

21. Laura Ingraham is dumb and also a bad propagandist

Her friends Conway and Coulter are also giant sucking leeches on America's values. But at least they're slightly better at propaganda.

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:43 PM

15. That's great. Good for you, to be there for a questioner,

to have placed yourself in a position of friendship and trust. I salute you.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:00 PM

16. A good post.....

Maybe enough of 'em will start questioning....Thank you....

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:18 AM

19. Your friend is still a dumb idiot !!

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Response to flying-skeleton (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:44 PM

23. He's really not.

He's just programmed - and a cranky old white guy.

I'm not giving up. If nothing else, I enjoy the argument.

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:27 AM

20. This is 80% of the battle. Get people off Fox and we can take our country back

The propaganda is the biggest problem. Fix that, and everything else follows.

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Response to TomSlick (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:48 AM

22. You're doing Gods work amongst the heathens.

We win the 2018 midterms one water cooler conversation at a time.

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