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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:57 PM

Wow! Laurence Tribe:



How is this not treason?

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Reply Wow! Laurence Tribe: (Original post)
triron Feb 2018 OP
TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #1
madinmaryland Feb 2018 #22
usaf-vet Feb 2018 #39
Enoki33 Feb 2018 #37
First Speaker Feb 2018 #2
unblock Feb 2018 #5
Poiuyt Feb 2018 #7
panfluteman Feb 2018 #35
nocalflea Feb 2018 #20
IluvPitties Feb 2018 #3
LenaBaby61 Feb 2018 #8
LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #18
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #23
LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #25
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #27
Stardust1 Feb 2018 #29
sharedvalues Feb 2018 #28
debsy Feb 2018 #31
usaf-vet Feb 2018 #40
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #19
BSdetect Feb 2018 #33
tanyev Feb 2018 #16
enough Feb 2018 #4
pwb Feb 2018 #6
PJMcK Feb 2018 #24
debsy Feb 2018 #32
Ilsa Feb 2018 #9
Raster Feb 2018 #11
lunatica Feb 2018 #10
Horizens Feb 2018 #12
Cha Feb 2018 #13
Stryst Feb 2018 #14
keithbvadu2 Feb 2018 #15
sarcasmo Feb 2018 #17
elmac Feb 2018 #21
dem4decades Feb 2018 #26
Renew Deal Feb 2018 #30
Gothmog Feb 2018 #34
CrispyQ Feb 2018 #36
Motley13 Feb 2018 #38

Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:03 PM

1. Trump Is Helping Them And Conspiring With Them.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:45 PM

22. It is a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY, including most if not all of the Republican Party...

They know it's happening and are not doing jack shit to stop it.

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:07 PM

39. If the Democrats were ignoring the electoral threat from a foreign country that

was assisting to gain a democratic advantage the republican's heads would be spinning.
It's telling that Trump and republican led congress is not trying to stop it.

In my opinion it's the BEST proof that the Russians ARE helping Trump and the GOP stay in autocratic power and THEY know it.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:16 PM

37. This has to loudly repeated every hour of every day.

He and his family are the beneficiaries of treason.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:05 PM

2. Morally, it is. Technically, it's not...

...the Constitution defines treason very narrowly. The Founders did so, because the English governments had used "treason" against any and all supposed enemies for centuries, often unjustly. But Trump is a traitor in every sense that matters. If Congress doesn't hold him to account, there are no democratic "rules" anymore...and God knows what that means in the long run. The end of liberal democracy, for one.

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:21 PM

5. true, but people throw around treason as a proxy for similar crimes under federal law

consider that ethel rosenberg got executed for crimes of far lesser magnitude than the kind of major crap donnie and his keystone klan are accused of.

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:25 PM

7. It's not treason, but closer to subversion

Subversion refers to a process by which the values and principles of a system in place are contradicted or reversed, an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, hierarchy, and norm (social). Subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and, "the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:35 PM

35. They're Both Treason in My Book.

The Trump gang and the Republicans who are in cahoots with them, by subverting our democratic values and institutions, are aiding and abetting a hostile foreign power and doing Putin's bidding. They're not upholding the US Constitution, but giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They're all playing Putin's game, no matter whatchya call it.

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:11 PM

20. Yep "It's treason" is our emotional response.

It's from the heart not the head. I don't give a damn about the legal definition and from what I've seen few people do.

The words 'treason" and "traitor" seem to go hand in hand for most folks and Trump and his minions are definitley traitors to all we hold dear.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:06 PM

3. Trump counts on Russia to help the GOP in November.

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:31 PM

8. Trump counts on Russia to help the GOP in November.

Which is WHY there might not be a big blue wave in November.

the ruskies want thuglicans & fatso to remain ruining this country, and messing with Democrats votes.

Hope Mueller hurries up!

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:00 PM

18. Democrats should be on TV every day demanding paper ballots for the mid terms!

I have no idea why they are silent on this issue.

The very democracy is at stake.

I cannot find any reason that such actions and demands could ever be taken as partisan. In fact it could help their image as defenders of the Republic. It is sickening to watch days go by...tick tick tick...with no plans being made to at least temporarily, for the next one or two elections, set up a paper ballot system, until any permanent safeguards are put in place in regards to voting machines. And Democrats sitting on their hands with their lips zipped shut on the issue.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:48 AM

23. Russians hacked minds with propaganda, not votes

Paper ballots won’t help us.

We need to fix Facebook and Twitter and start exposing Limbaugh and Fox as the tools of oligarchs - both Russian and US oligarchs.

Listen to slate’s recent podcast with Molly McKew, or read her story at Politico. The Russians hacked American minds with propaganda.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:54 AM

25. While I agree with everything you said

There is more than one front on the battle lines.

Brainwashing can be reversed. De-programing can be effective. That will take time though.
Meanwhile, cheating by deleting voter registrations or even flipping the vote count is not reversible.
The GOP has been using a multi-faceted attack for decades. One by itself may not work. But add what you brought up, with voting computer hacking, plus Crosscheck, plus voting suppression efforts like reduced hours and reduced polling stations. Strict voter ID requirements. It all adds up.

On that front, I always thought Democrats should have called Republican and Fox News's bluff long ago. If the news media is too far overwhelmingly liberal, then Dems should have suggested a new Fairness Doctrine to ease conservatives fears. Speak directly to the public. A law to make sure, gal dangit, that all stations guarantee and provide the precious conservative voice for 50% of the time. No more will libtards be able to run rough shod over the news talk media in the country! They'd be reduced to only 50% of radio hosts and radio prime time! Yeeee Ha! All those brainwashed idiots would be mighty confused when the GOP in Washington nixes the idea.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:48 AM

27. Yes I agree with you

I shouldn’t have said paper ballots don’t matter. They do. But we shouldn’t focus on them to the exclusion of the social media propaganda, which also had a huge effect in last years election.


The GOP and likely the Russians bought facebook ads targeting PA voters designed to suppress turnout. WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHAT THOSE ADS SAY. Facebook is keeping them secret. America needs answers from Facebook and Twitter.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:30 AM

29. Bookface and twits

My guess is that Facebook and Twitter were paid to look the otherway for RWNJ propaganda or did something illegal thats related to all this and are keeping quiet to avoid a lawsuit.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:49 AM

28. Yes: focus on Fox, fairness doctrine LONG overdue

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:26 AM

31. "Russians hacked minds with propaganda, not votes"

That cannot be stated unequivocally, just as the opposite cannot be stated in the same fashion. The simple fact is that there is no way to know for certain if they hacked votes or not wherever there is no paper trail to be checked (numerous states). The fact that we have seen video after video of hackers breaking into electoral systems provides circumstantial evidence. My gut instinct tells me that - wherever there is no paper trail - the machines were hacked and people working with the GOP and Russians changed votes. I don't have proof of that so I can't state it unequivocally, I just know it must be true. It looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, swims like a duck, lays eggs like a duck, flies like a duck, ...!

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:25 PM

40. Paper ballots now and for the foreseeable future!

No more hackable, internet accessible voting machines that invite election tampering and add to that the GOP attack on voting rights and you have the makings of repeatable stolen elections.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:01 PM

19. That and all the other factors still at play...

social media hasn't done anything to really effect any bots, etc, the big $ donors are still at it (Kochs, Mercers, NRA, Religious right, etc.), Fux Ruse and Right Wing radio spreads propaganda, MSM still is after ratings/$, and of course Russia, Russia, Russia.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:36 AM

33. I guess Mueller really should move well before the mid terms

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:25 PM

16. Trump counts on Russia to help Trump in November.

The GOP is counting on that also benefiting them.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:07 PM

4. How can he ask them to do anything about it when he says he believes Putin when he says they didn't

do it?

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Response to enough (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:24 PM

6. Which means Putin did do it he just used a third party.

But dumb ass can't see that.

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Response to pwb (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:26 AM

24. Dumb ass knows exactly what happened (n/t)

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:31 AM

32. indeed! agreed!

The dumpster is working for Putin and the oligarchs, as is everyone he has surrounded himself with and appointed. It is all about the money and the oil. Remember what Eric said, "My father only sees green!" Same with Putin and the oligarchs. They don't care about people's lives. It is all about getting as much money and power as they can. They won't do anything about it.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:37 PM

9. If we could define "Act of War" to include cyber security violations,

then DOTUS' cooperation with putie would be an act of treason.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:08 PM

11. The concept of "Act of War" needs to be brought in to the 21st century...

...Warfare is waged on many fronts and theaters today, including the Cyberwarfare theater.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare

Cyberwarfare involves the battlespace use and targeting of computers and networks in warfare. It involves both offensive and defensive operations pertaining to the threat of cyberattacks, espionage and sabotage. There has been controversy over whether such operations can be called "war". Nevertheless, nations have been developing their capabilities and engaged in cyberwarfare either as an aggressor, defendant, or both.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:47 PM

10. I wish the media would do in depth exposes about 2 thing specifically

All aspects of what the Russian hacking and interference means in real life. Like how it’s done, why it’s done and what the results are. Like a thriller movie showing how people vote and how that vote is changed and then counted as a vote for the person the voter did Not vote for. How disinformation is spread and so forth.

The second thing is what exactly climate change means. How only a small increase in heat has a effect on world wide changes in climate.

This can be done quite well with CGI. Show what it would be like for extended droughts to turn all of central California into a desert. How the great forests of the Western states will burn up because of these droughts and at some point in the future they will stop growing back. How winters in the Midwest and North East and all water related weather will freeze, flood and destroy the land, crops and population centers.

How, if only narrow coastal areas stay relatively unchanged, the rest of the people in affected areas will move to the coasts, creating an overwhelming refugee problem that will cause too much strain for the ecosystem to to survive. No one on the planet will survive either literally or in any way well enough to even call it survival.

If they did this it would work. It would stop being just some abstract idea that’s too difficult to comprehend. It would show how everyone would be affected.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:11 PM

12. Imagine

It's Dec. 8 1941. President Roosevelt addresses congress and says, 'the reported Japanese attack on pearl Harbor is fake news, a hoax.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:13 PM

13. Thank you, Christopher Wray!

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

14. Not that I disagree with the sentinment,

But isn't that the duty of the NSA? "The NSA is responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, specializing in a discipline known as signals intelligence..."

And we haven't heard s**t from the NSA about all of this other than we have to buy back some cyber-weapons that they let loose "accidentally".

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:22 PM

15. These four articles go together

These four articles go together

United States is under attack': Intelligence chief Dan Coats says Putin targeting 2018 elections

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141986853

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Intelligence chief: Federal debt is 'dire threat' to national security

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141986756

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Laurence Tribe
FBI Director Wray just testified in the Senate that — despite Russia’s ongoing intrusions into our electoral systems — POTUS has NEVER charged the FBI with protecting US elections from Russia! LET THAT SINK IN. That’d be like FDR doing nothing in response to Pearl Harbor.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210225593

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Thom Hartmann: GOP Is Wrecking Your Retirement Savings

https://www.alternet.org/economy/thank-gop-your-401k-losses?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=alternet.org&utm_term=68737&utm_content=2186301

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:32 PM

17. It is Treason.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:18 PM

21. It would be like FDR calling Tojo and thanking him for a job well done

is closer to the ass kissing tRump is laying on putin.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:09 AM

26. It should be the question to every Republican on every camera.

Why hasn't the President responded to the attack on the US?

Every question to every Republican.

Oh and Happy Valentine's Day.

Okay just for today they could also ask, Did Trump send a "Be my Valentine" card to Putin?

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Response to triron (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:16 AM

30. He did less than that. He refused to enforce the sanctions

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Response to triron (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:22 AM

34. I agree with Prof. Tribe

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Response to triron (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:56 PM

36. Rex Tillerson on Fox - his concern about our electoral system was underwhelming!

Tillerson said, “I don't know that I would say we are better prepared, because the Russians will adapt as well."

“The point is, if it's their intention to interfere, they are going to find ways to do that," he told Fox News. "We can take steps, but this is something that, once they decide they are going to do it, it's very difficult to pre-empt it.


I guess the exceptional USA can no longer build a better mousetrap.

When Trump wins 2020 with 97% of the popular vote, will the People finally believe that we've been hacked? Will they care?

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Response to triron (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:53 PM

38. or JFK not doing anything about missiles in Cuba

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