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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:50 PM

so--any woman alleging abuse by a puke is lying. any woman alleging abuse by a Dem is truthful.

got it.

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Reply so--any woman alleging abuse by a puke is lying. any woman alleging abuse by a Dem is truthful. (Original post)
niyad Feb 13 OP
raccoon Feb 13 #1
niyad Feb 13 #2
ananda Feb 14 #14
mythology Feb 14 #15
maxsolomon Feb 13 #3
niyad Feb 13 #4
maxsolomon Feb 13 #6
niyad Feb 13 #7
maxsolomon Feb 13 #9
niyad Feb 13 #10
jimlup Feb 13 #5
Ms. Toad Feb 13 #8
ProfessorGAC Feb 13 #11
Ms. Toad Feb 14 #12
ProfessorGAC Feb 14 #22
R B Garr Feb 14 #23
kcr Feb 14 #16
Ms. Toad Feb 14 #17
kcr Feb 14 #18
Ms. Toad Feb 14 #19
kcr Feb 14 #20
LexVegas Feb 14 #21
Oneironaut Feb 14 #13
wiggs Feb 14 #24
niyad Feb 14 #25

Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:56 PM

1. That's how the Dotard and other Republicans frame it. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:57 PM

2. and the trumpians swallow it whole.

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Response to raccoon (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:32 AM

14. They got help from the Dems after they targeted the completely innocent Franken.

nt

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Response to ananda (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:36 AM

15. Franken apologized for his actions.

He wasn't innocent.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:03 PM

3. IOKIYAR. Apply Liberally.

This is inevitable when only one party, however imperfectly, still believes that Ethics matter, but the other party knows that only Power matters.

If you make this argument to a Republik, they'll laugh and list a myriad of ways that Dems have failed to be exactly like Ghandi (probably starting with Carter lusting after other women in his heart), and that will be the end of that.

Tu Quo Que, deflection, sorry, we're out of time, let's go to a commercial.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:05 PM

4. it ceased boggling the mind a long time ago.

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Response to niyad (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:09 PM

6. I'm pretty much in a state of despair over the situation.

There simply is no violation that they will not excuse in the name of Power, or that their voters will not condone in the name of Stigginit.



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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:11 PM

7. I used to want to shake them to see if there were two remaining brain cells to arc. there aren't.

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Response to niyad (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:25 PM

9. It's not that simple. There are no ethical cells left,

though they believe they have an exclusive claim on Morality.

I know that my Dad, my Gastroenterologist Uncle, my Aunt, my cousins, etc. all have brains. What they don't have is direct experience with those they deign to judge, cloistered in their lily-white cul-de-sacs and German Catholic churches.

Remember, they think WE are the dumb, emotional, unrealistic, IMMORAL ones. That's what their media tells them day after day. We support murdering babies. We support tolerance of deviants. We support amnesty for lawbreakers. We support the lazy. We don't want to make permanent war on people who hate our freedom.

Trump gave them license to laugh and mock our claim to Ethics. Now he's emboldened actual Fascists to take to the streets.

Dark times.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:28 PM

10. you are, of course, absolutely correct.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:05 PM

5. yep

+1

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:11 PM

8. While on DU, any woman alleging abuse by a DEM is lying

and any woman alleging abuse by a Republican is telling the truth.

Glass houses. Stones.

The common theme is that women lie about sexual abuse. I find it as offensive when such allegations were made about women who accused Al Franken, Bill Clinton, John Conyers, etc.

On average, we respond better - but not much when accusations are made against our favorites.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:30 PM

11. At Least In The Case of Conyers and Clinton. . .

. . .there were names attached to those accusations. Not so much with Franken, except for the obvious RW plant and the waist squeeze, which calls into question her sense of proportionality.

I do get your point, but there are still fairly substantial differences for your 3 examples.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:27 AM

12. 4 of the 8 were named

Others were know to the press who reported their stories and some had also made contemporaneous allegations.

And being an obvious Democratic plant is also a rationalization used by Republicans.

So, not so much difference. When the allegation doesn't fit our political storyline, both sides trot out, "Those lying women . . .it's just a politically motivated lie."

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:22 AM

22. Could Not Disagree More

You're leaning out on a limb that says because R's do it, anything we do that is similar is the exact same thing.

It's not the exact same thing.

Then, 2 of your 4 are pretty tenuous. So, we're talking about 50% of 50%.

And that's the same thing republicans do?

I think not.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:24 AM

23. Putting your arm around someone while taking a picture is not abuse.

If you have to stretch a "storyline" that much, then there wasn't much to the "allegations" to begin with. Let's not make a mockery of actual victims.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:37 AM

16. How many people are defending Anthony Weiner again?

And boy, can you believe how Dems defend Edwards. Remember how no one went on and on about how selfish he was and how he could have ruined things for us? We sure are a bunch of hypocrites for defending our own! Oh boy.

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Response to kcr (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:50 AM

17. You might want to go back and review

The early Edwards threads here - you seem to have erased the early responses from your memory banks.

As for Weiner, it's a little hard to call the woman a politically motivated liar when there is photographic evidence if the offense.

On this issue,far too many people on DU live in glass houses, and back in the 70s.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:54 AM

18. I don't have to do any such thing just because no one jumped to conclusions

Your false equivalencies are bunk. If both sides were the same, we'd still be standing by all of our Dems.

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Response to kcr (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:57 AM

19. Enjoy your fake memories and moral superiority. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:02 AM

20. Get ready to feel disappointed when no one suddenly starts believing waist touching is assault n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:04 AM

21. You are correct. A female Democratic Senator is attacked regularly to this day re. Franken...

while male Senators are given a pass.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:30 AM

13. Yes. That is correct [s]

Only Republicans have the right to due process. Democrats, on the other hand, are instantly guilty and should be immediately punished when accused.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:04 PM

24. And even worse than that,

in Trump world:

...a person who dominates and abuses his spouse is a winner, and the spouse with the black eye is the loser

same as:

...an owner that stiffs his contractor for money is the winner, and the contractor who doesn't have 40 attorneys on call is the loser

...an official that commits crimes and trashes the justice department and his country's image to protect himself is a winner, and everone else is the loser

...a president telling thousands of lies from the bullypulpit and having half the country ignore it is the winner, and everyone else is an idiot

...a small minded man in power who yanks the handshake towards himself is the winner and everyone else is the loser

...a sociopath who punches down on the vulnerable at every opportunity, even at gold star families of color, is a winner...and everyone else is the loser

...a narcissist who enriches himself and his rich friends via cutting social safety nets for the vulnerable is a winner...and 99.9% of everyone else is the loser

...a megalomaniac who engages with a foreign adversary to enrich himself and gain the highest office in the world is a winner...and the rest of the world is a loser


There are just winners and losers in Trump world.



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Response to wiggs (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:08 PM

25. and that is just a small portion of his zero sum game world view.

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