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Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:49 PM

Sessions praises "Anglo-American" heritage of law enforcement.

There are no words.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sessions-sheriff-anglo-american-heritage-policing-law-enforcement

Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Monday praised the “Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement” in a speech to the National Sheriffs’ Association.

“The office of sheriff is a critical part of the Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement,” Sessions said. “We must never erode this historic office.”

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Reply Sessions praises "Anglo-American" heritage of law enforcement. (Original post)
yardwork Feb 2018 OP
dchill Feb 2018 #1
yardwork Feb 2018 #2
left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #3
dchill Feb 2018 #4
yardwork Feb 2018 #7
Lifelong Protester Feb 2018 #5
yardwork Feb 2018 #6
Lucinda Feb 2018 #8
yardwork Feb 2018 #11
blogslut Feb 2018 #9
yardwork Feb 2018 #10
a kennedy Feb 2018 #12
yardwork Feb 2018 #13
FarCenter Feb 2018 #14
nolabear Feb 2018 #18
jberryhill Feb 2018 #15
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #16
jberryhill Feb 2018 #30
yardwork Feb 2018 #21
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #17
yardwork Feb 2018 #20
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #22
yardwork Feb 2018 #23
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #24
Shrek Feb 2018 #25
hlthe2b Feb 2018 #27
LanternWaste Feb 2018 #32
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #33
LanternWaste Feb 2018 #34
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #35
Cha Feb 2018 #19
airmid Feb 2018 #26
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #28
dem4decades Feb 2018 #29
HopeAgain Feb 2018 #31
yardwork Feb 2018 #36

Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:50 PM

1. Jesus.

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Response to dchill (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:51 PM

2. I know, right?

It's almost beyond belief.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:52 PM

3. Memories of the 50's and 60's

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:55 PM

4. Bad memories for us...

Sweet memories for Jeffy. What an emetic he is!

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:58 PM

7. It's horrifying.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:57 PM

5. Hoods are definitely off now.

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Response to Lifelong Protester (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:57 PM

6. This is blatant and unapologetic.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:06 PM

8. FFS

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:15 PM

11. Exactly.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

9. kiiiiiiick

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Response to blogslut (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:15 PM

10. Thanks. Everybody needs to see this.

For all that's good and decent, VOTE. Get these Nazis out of power before it's too late.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:18 PM

12. WTF.

It’s not even coded.....it’s BLATANT AND DAMN IT, IT’S RACIST.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:20 PM

13. Unapologetically racist.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:23 PM

14. I think he meant as in the "Sheriff of Nottingham"?

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:33 AM

18. The one who hid behind a badge and hated the poor?

Pretty much says it.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:27 PM

15. The significance of this statement is largely missed here


Sovereign citizens and their ilk have a particular fetish around the institution of sheriffs.

There is a breed of self-styled “constitutional sheriffs” which swim in this particular pond.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:37 PM

16. So is this an attempt to undermine Arpaio's conviction?

Or a set up for some upcoming heinous acts?


Or both?

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:01 AM

30. Try this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Peace_Officers_Association

An article by the Intelligence Report of the Southern Poverty Law Center states that "... the real root of the 'county supremacy' movement that has been explicitly embraced by the CSPOA is the Posse Comitatus, a racist and anti-Semitic group of the 1970s and 1980s that also defined the county sheriff as the highest 'legitimate' law enforcement authority in the country. . . ."

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:39 AM

21. The significance is not missed at all.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:26 AM

17. The office of sheriff originated in England.

The word itself comes from "shire-reeve"; the sheriff (as in "the Sheriff of Nottingham", for instance) was an officer charged with keeping the king's peace in the county. The 13 colonies were colonies of Britain. They imported English law and customs with them (including common law, and the office of sheriff). Referring to it as "Anglo-American" is entirely correct, and not some sort of weird dog-whistle white supremacy. It's really embarrassing to see how ignorant some people are.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:38 AM

20. Oh FFS.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:43 AM

22. "Oh, FFS" is basically my reaction to people calling "Anglo-American" racist

because it isn't, it refers to the legal tradition the US inherited from England. Do I think Sessions is racist? Yes. Do I think this particular comment is reflective of that racism? Not at all. (Protip: "Anglo-American" doesn't mean "Anglo" in the sense of "not Hispanic".)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:26 AM

23. You're not fooling anybody. You're not clever.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:35 AM

24. Speaking of "not clever"...

try going to Google and typing in "Anglo-American legal tradition", in quotes. See what you get back. I'll help; things like this, and this, and this, and this. What's "not clever" is seizing on a completely erroneous interpretation of a phrase and then claiming it's racist. Not only is that not clever, it is, frankly, stupid. It's ignorant, and it makes our side look bad. If that's what you want, by all means, continue.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:51 AM

27. Historically correct yes, but I do not believe for one minute that Sessions was not trying to

get a point across--one that is anything but benign and merely "historical"...

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:50 AM

32. The position was not invented in England. We merely derive a common name

The position was not invented in England. We merely derive a common name from English roots. The position of reeve (not shire reeve), also 'land steward' was simply a local official charged with the responsibilities of the crown.

That same position, under different names, goes much further back and much further abroad than England. Ancient Persia's 'Managerial and Magistrate Laws' charged a local of note in each village to 'see to the your Lord's estate, its bondage and its chattel,' and to enforce all royal laws in regards to the same.
(Source: Accounts of Persian "Despotism" and Law, c. 430-300 BCE From Herodotus)

Meaning, the positions are the same. Meaning England didn't "invent" it. Meaning your 'narrative' fails. As you yourself said: " frankly, stupid. It's ignorant, and it makes our side look bad. If that's what you want, by all means, continue..."

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:54 AM

33. If you can show any evidence that the American office of "sheriff" came from anywhere BUT England...

then do so (which you can't do, because it didn't, and your argument, if you have one, is an absurdity).

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:57 AM

34. Sharing a common name is not equivalent to sharing a common use.

Sharing a common name is not equivalent to sharing a common use. Pretending otherwise simply to maintain a pretenses of cleverness is absurd as well.

Try: A History of the Achaemenid Empire, by Matt Waters or Ancient Persia by Josef Wiesehofer. Both refer to and expound on the office of 'lo'cha', a local villager of note, chosen by the nobility, to enforce the king's will on a local level. Precisely what the English reeve did.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:04 AM

35. "Pretence of cleverness" pretty much describes everything you're saying.

And it's quite frankly absurd and even idiotic to presume that the existence of a legal office of "sheriff" in England from pre-Norman times, and then in British North American colonies from the 1600's, and then in the later United States, derives from anything *but* the English tradition.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:03 AM

19. Fuck off you inferior racist

Piece of Shite.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:45 AM

26. Because white folks are the only one's making laws...ffs. Can someone change the channel. I am

getting tired of the Twilight Zone.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:53 AM

28. He is a racist piece of shit.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:56 AM

29. Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner learned first hand of "Anglo-American" heritage law enforcement.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:08 AM

31. The term is correct, I'm afraid.

We do have a legal system based upon English Common Law (except in Louisiana which is based in large part on Napoleanic Code). I have heard this term many times before, the "anglo" referring to England the country, not the ethnicity. That being said, I don't know why reference to that term for sherrifs (agents of a monarch) is helpful to appreciate elected law enforcement.

But it does harken back to a less inclusive time in America, and Sessions is otherwise a bigotted ignoramus.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:37 PM

36. Sessions' meaning is crystal clear in context.

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