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Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:08 PM

Trump wants to slash food stamps and replace them with a Blue Apron-type program

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/12/trump-wants-to-slash-food-stamps-and-replace-them-with-a-blue-apron-type-program/?utm_term=.e73d4b74ff96

The Trump administration wants to slash food aid to low-income families and make up the difference with a box of canned goods -- a change that Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney described in a Monday briefing as a "Blue Apron-type program."

"What we do is propose that for folks who are on food stamps, part -- not all, part -- of their benefits come in the actual sort of, and I don't want to steal somebody's copyright, but a Blue Apron-type program where you actually receive the food instead of receive the cash," Mulvaney said. "It lowers the cost to us because we can buy [at wholesale prices] whereas they have to buy it at retail. It also makes sure they're getting nutritious food. So we're pretty excited about that."

Mulvaney's remarks drew raised eyebrows from some critics, who accuse the Trump administration official of drawing an unfair comparison between the food stamp program, which delivers an average of $1.37 per meal to America's poorest, and a high-end meal kit that runs $10 per serving.

On Monday, the Trump administration proposed cutting food stamps, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, by $17 billion in 2019 and more than $213 billion over the next decade. The dramatic reductions came as part of a budget proposal that made sweeping, across-the-board cuts to popular safety net programs, including federal housing subsidies and Medicaid.

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Reply Trump wants to slash food stamps and replace them with a Blue Apron-type program (Original post)
jpak Feb 2018 OP
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #1
Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #8
CatMor Feb 2018 #2
Cha Feb 2018 #59
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democratisphere Feb 2018 #79
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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:12 PM

1. The GOP plan for America...

bankrupt then sicken and kill the poor, the ill and the older people so more is left for the 1%.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:18 PM

8. The money will be funnelled to campaign contributing corporations. America is as corrupt as any

country now.

Mulvaney shows every day just how fascist he is. Which is a lot.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:13 PM

2. They even want to make you eat what they choose. ...

talk about a Big Brother government.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:41 AM

59. Excellent point, CatMor.. I just

added it to my post.

Gaslighting.. Blue Apron Bullshit

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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:57 AM

68. Thank you Cha....

I am so tired of trump and his cabinet wanting to punish and humiliate people in need. trump would rather have another nuclear weapon than help people to have food.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:07 AM

79. ..... or healthcare.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:47 AM

60. and they will keep track of people's food allergies? Yeah, right.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:16 AM

80. That was my first thought, too

How are they going to keep track of likes/dislikes... and even worse... allergies????

What are they going to do? Send a package of rice, beans and spinach every week? And that's what they have to subsist on?

Talk about nanny state!

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:14 PM

3. What's next

Soviet style grocery stores?

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:15 PM

4. They'll send the poor worse than cafeteria style food.

And count ketchup as a veg.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:16 PM

5. What cash ? Arent these cards and not ebery place accepts it ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:47 AM

61. They're cards.. SNAP cards.. I see

the Russian moles took away that name and it's back to "food stamps" now.

Most places take them.. Costco does.. Walmart I'm sure does.

The lot of them need to rot in their own private hell.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:16 PM

6. Government cheese is not Blue apron

-- and I can't help but think that's where this is headed.

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Response to janterry (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:45 PM

26. I think you, and I, might be the only people on here that know what you are talking about.

Cheese, powdered eggs, and other nasty as hell stuff passed off for food. That cheese was actually really good though.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:12 PM

37. It was good. Made great grilled cheese.

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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:20 AM

81. I wish

I had one of those grilled cheese sandwiches right now

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:00 AM

46. I remember the cheese. I was a kid but remember it as Government Surplus

I don't remember powdered eggs or anything else... just what we called Gov Surplus cheese.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:17 AM

51. Damn good cheese!

People who say that government can't do anything right never had a slice of delicious government cheese.

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Response to janterry (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:53 AM

72. Ok but govt cheese was still pretty damn good. But my mom is/was a vegetarian

When we were on food stamps, and we would go to the food shelf and get little pound of hamburger, cheese, milk, and peanut butter.

She had no idea what to do with the hamburger and gave it away...I was nearly in my teens before I ever ate an actual hamburger.


The reality is people have different needs, tastes and diets - this is such a shitty idea on so many levels.

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #72)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:53 AM

78. good to know :)

I volunteer in a food pantry - and I have to tell you that the amount of food people get is unreal. SO MUCH FOOD. and good food.

You can come in once a week for federal food (that's just figs/raisins/pasta/juice/often a packaged beef. You can also -once a week - come in for all the bread, veggies and fresh fruit (all from local supermarkets or gleaned from farms) that you want. Last week one woman took a case of raisins. For veggies, we had everything you could want (including strawberries, raspberries).

Once a month you can do a big 'shop' and it includes all kinds of things - all of the usual (pasta canned veggies and fruit) and then a lot more - cereals, coffee (starbucks, btw - caramel latte and hot cocoa......the list goes on and on). We had giant bags of frozen blueberries, bagged popcorn, fish, meat, all kinds of mixes - including cake, flours, beans, of course. I couldn't begin to list it all. I could live (my daughter and myself) on one shop there a month. For real.

The homeless folks can come in once a week.

I actually had made a display for Valentine's Day (and put out a basket of chocolate - some inexpensive bars, other very expensive high quality chocolate). But one of the homeless people took almost all of it (really hurt my feelings!). She must have stuffed 30 chocolate bars in her pockets. .

Anyway, I don't know if we're the exception - because it's so much food........

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Response to janterry (Reply #78)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:24 AM

82. It really varies by location - I used to take women and children

All around the Twin Cities and suburbs back in my advocacy days. Some food shelf locations LOADED up a woman and child with more food than a family of four could eat. All good quality donations, plus meat and a gift card to get fresh vegetables at the local grocer. Of course in the metro, a family of four would be lucky to get a full bag of canned goods and they could only go to that location once every other month, the need was so great.

The WIC program (back when I was a cashier I remember it well, not sure if it changed) sucked too because you couldn't break up the checks...you had to get everything on it at once. 4 gallons of milk, 5 boxes of cereal etc etc. but where was anyone gonna put all that milk? Sure you could freeze it but again...who has that freezer space? It would be so confusing..esp for non English speakers to figure out what they could get. As cashiers we hated it because we felt bad if they got they wrong thing - they would be embarrassed and frustrated, often had their little íoneswith them and the whole thing was a mess. We would try to help...the first time looking at the check and what you could and couldn't get was confusing as all hell (and I was in law school so I was used to shitty government wording), eventually you got good at it.

I also remember actual food stamps...the paper ones. Jesus what a nightmare that was ...we could only give "change" back in single stamp dollars..so if they had a $20, even if we had a $5 or $10 in our drawer from previous customers, you still could only give ones back. Anything larger had to be attached to the food stamp booklet in order to be used.

My mom would drive us a half hour out of town to a larger city to use our stamps because she didn't want anyone to know we were on them.

The shame (unwarranted) around getting fucking food - FOOD!- in this country is ridiculous and the GOP keeps amping it up.

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:05 AM

85. It's true, I don't want things evaluated like that

that experiment with -Y Combinator (no thanks to it's founder, I think) about giving income to the poor and seeing what they do - is interesting. It's the same thing as stamps. Let the people decide what they want to do -

In the food stamps world, people need to choose what they want to eat (fruit loops, included). It sounds like Trump is trumpeting that same mess about people making poor choices (yea, right Mr. two scoops - like YOU make the right choices).

OTOH, I have to say, when I was working as a MSW and making a whole 29,000 working (single mother) in the prisons - and applied for food stamps, I was denied (which led to me having to quit....my car was on its last legs and it was too far from my house - about 1 hour).

At that point, we landed in extreme poverty - and I never got food stamps (I just wouldn't go back, we did without or bought from the dollar store). It was a terrible time. I don't regret not getting support - because it isn't my nature. But those were two horrible years.

So, sometimes I look at people who come in with a bit of ire (they have so much and yet they complain - complain!) and other times a bit of pride (for a small town, we *really* care).

I wrote one thing up there incorrectly, and it's something I think is great. The homeless can come in 3x's a week (every day the pantry is open). So, they can walk in and get a meal. PLUS, there's a free hot meal offered at a different church every day M-F. We have a lot of addicts, so it's part of a harm reduction model. It's perfect (even when they take 'your' chocolate

No one in our town should ever starve for lack of food.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:17 PM

7. Got to pay for the border wall ...

Last edited Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:37 PM - Edit history (1)

... and the tax cuts to the upper 1%.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:56 PM

28. Border wall and 1%tax cut not needed but food is

great priorities here now eh?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:34 AM

54. Trump promised Mexico would pay for it, but now America is paying for it.

Just thought I'd remind Republican lurkers that Trump doesn't keep his promises, because he doesn't know how. If I were a Republican, based on this wall lie alone I couldn't be sure that anything he said was ever sincere or based in facts.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:51 AM

62. trump is a gd Liar

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:40 PM

86. wal

 

The truth is that there was no legal way that they could force Mexico to pay for the wall. A tarriff? No guess who pays for tarriffs!THE CONSUMER! !A tax on Mexican goods? Guess who pays that? THE CONSUMER!A tax on American imports to Mexico? Watch the American corporations scream bloody murder!

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Response to johnmont (Reply #86)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:21 AM

93. IKR, it was a dumbass promise and he knew it. BUT...

... sheeple believe that kind of shit. A con man's stock-in-trade.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:18 PM

9. trumpkins have this theory that the poor need to be punished for being poor

They claim that if we punish them, it will force the poor to get jobs (3 or 4 if necessary) and become wealthy enough the don't need the services that have been cut.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:19 AM

76. Because, after all,

Jesus spent all of his time hanging out with rich dudes and finding ways to punish the sick and poor.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:23 PM

10. Hey. Pharmaceuticals do well when a single payer buys them in bulk too.

Well golly gee!

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:24 PM

11. Here comes your monthly case

Of ramen noodles and cat food. The Gubmint saved money so it can give more to the billionaires!

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:29 PM

12. Great! At least my cats can eat.

It's probably crappy cat food, though.

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Response to catrose (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:57 PM

29. Cats will let you know if the cat food is crappy

Unless it is Fancy Feast. I have yet to meet a kitty that refuses Fancy Feast.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

31. Fancy Feast aka kitty crack . They got to have that if you open one. Other stuff?

They need to sniff and maybe taste then decide . I bought some cheap food for kitties one time they let me know they would rather chew on me then eat that crap

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:51 PM

44. So true!

They won't turn down Royal Canin either. I buy that for the foster babies to give them a good start in life. But everybody has to have a few bites! It's just $$$$$, making me appreciate Fancy Feast, which I used to think was expensive.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:30 PM

13. How will this affect local grocery stores?

I can’t believe they would screw with Wal-Mart, either. Maybe the SNAP money isn’t a major part of their business but I can recall being in the store when those cards came out and those card recipients spent what seemed like a lot of money.

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Response to badhair77 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

32. Maybe that is where you pick it up at places like Walmart they already have the distribution

and will find a way to bill the taxpayer for services appropriately no doubt

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Response to badhair77 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:54 AM

65. Exactly, badhair.. I mentioned

walmart in one of my posts.. Costco takes SNAP cards, too..

The SNAP recipients help the whole Food business which stimulates the ECONOMY.

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Response to Cha (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:10 AM

67. Like orangecrush said.. those

who are subjected to this insult and humiliation need to GOTV and VOTE DEMOCRATIC!

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Response to Cha (Reply #67)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:09 PM

88. YES!

The "government cheese enthusiasts" baffle me.

I remember it when Nixon was in office.

This isn't about food at all.

It's about punishing the kind of people who voted for Obama.

It's pure kleptocracy.

Trump should sit on a brick of "government cheese".

Wonkette has a great article on this, and said to watch for clips of people "fondly remembering government cheese" on Fox.

- "Trump’s Budget Dream: Make America A Dickensian Slum Again, ‘Blue Apron Style’
Read more at https://wonkette.com/629691/trumps-budget-dream-make-america-a-dickensian-slum-again-blue-apron-style#IPj3mz0ck7qO6o6J.99

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #88)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:40 PM

89. "Somewhere, Chris Cillizza could be heard typing up a draft of a column declaring that even if its

a terrible idea, it demonstrates the administration’s willingness to try new things and shake up the paradigm."

Thank you for this, orangecrush.. I really like Wonkette and needed to read this. Much better coming from her!

This is what I've been saying, too.. I remember reading when President Obama was in the WH that the SNAP program actually helped the Economy..

And then there’s the teensy detail that this would hit grocery stores hard: The Food Marketing Institute, which lobbies on behalf of major food retailers, has already come out against it, since the stores would lose billions of dollars they now get in SNAP payments.

Especially, walmart.. but, I guess that's what putin wants.. to break the USA


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Response to Cha (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:54 PM

90. Absolutely.

The "free cheese and butter'' fondly remembered by boomers was actually the result of a huge dairy surplus at the time.

It was distributed IN ADDITION TO food stamps, not as a replacement, under Nixon.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:36 PM

14. Its be great to incentivize healthier food for sure.

Win for the health of the recipients, and win for taxpayers as many SNAP beneficiaries are also Medicaid beneficiaries.

Healthier food hopefully means healthier people.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:47 PM

16. Healthier? Why would you think its about that? Look below you to see what we gave starving

Puerto Ricans, over processed crap- and probably almost expired sell dates bought w kickbacks padding the price.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:53 PM

18. Healthier? Is this sarcasm?

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:31 PM

22. Calling it Blue Apron is grossly exaggerating the quality

This from NPR

The package was described in the budget as consisting of "shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit and vegetables." The boxes would not include fresh fruits or vegetables.


Cheap staples only.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:13 PM

38. Government cheese and peanut butter,

I remember them well.

Blue Apron! The lies don't quit.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:57 AM

73. And at least blue apron provides spices. SNAP allows purchase of fresh

Produce at farmers markets (many double the amount so your $$ goes further) which is win for healthy eating and local farmers. Pretty sure there isn't going to be any positives for either in the GOP plan

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

30. You're joking

Please say you're joking.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:08 PM

34. Seen school lunches lately?It will be worse food than that health wise I bet and that ain't good

All process and powder filler with some contractor making big bucks

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:53 AM

64. The only thing similar to Blue Apron is that the food is delivered.

 

However, on another thread, the food being delivered is peanut butter, beans and canned veggies and canned fruit. Maybe some rice.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:30 AM

77. Who's idea of healthy? Sounds like sugary, starchy crap to me.

Nothing fresh. I even bet the peanut butter has sugar in it as well as the cereal.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:07 PM

91. It doesn't. There is nothing healthier about no fresh fruits or vegetables,

no salads, no cooking oil or spices. Or peanut butter that you can't eat because you're allergic or pasta you can't prepare because you don't have electricity.

And it won't be cheaper because the costs of distribution will be so high. This is all about being punitive and taking the last bit of dignity away from the recipients.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:40 PM

15. I think they've already tested that program in Puerto Rico.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:39 PM

92. Vienna canned sausage is awful

It's loaded with salt and a ridiculous amount of fat. It's like a heart attack in a can.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:51 PM

17. Just a thought

Perhaps someone who's had to rely on food stamps, etc should be in charge of making the program work better. For one, you do not get cash to purchase anything. The card is only accepted at certain stores and there are limits to what you can get. If you've never gotten a dirty look from the person behind you at the checkout counter because, heaven forbid, you buy a steak with your EBT card- then you don't know what it's like. No one wants to be poor or have to go through the grueling process of receiving these benifits.

If the government wants to learn how to pinch a penny - get some advise from some single parents or those on fixed income. Billionaires are truly out of touch with the plight of the poor.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:11 PM

36. And trump and company would listen why ? They do not care

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Response to lunasun (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:28 PM

40. Nope, they wouldn't listen

They don't care.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:03 PM

19. Classic Trump: replace a program that works with one that pretends to.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:14 PM

20. Don't tell me: They want to privatize it too? nt

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:18 PM

21. Soylent Green...

Actually I wonder how they’ll sanction cheap carb heavy meals that cause more health issues and don’t take allergies and need to avoid certain foods into consideration.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:31 PM

23. If politics, hatred, and GOPers werent involved, it might not be a bad idea.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:36 PM

24. I'm on SNAP due to physical disability. I can choose my own food just fine.

We already have guidelines to go by, and in fact, most stores' registers will filter out items which don't qualify for SNAP benefit use. I grant that some of the rules don't make sense (you can't buy a cooked chicken from the deli, but you can buy an uncooked chicken and make it yourself, etc), but overall, the program works well and I never want for anything I really need. There's no cause for this.

My reasoning sets aside the legal implications of this program. You cannot have a one size fits all food box. Some people are going to be allergic to the foods planned for these supply boxes. Some will have dietary reasons they can't eat these things. I count on both points.

It's also just insulting that it makes the assumption that we, who are poor for one reason or another, can't be trusted to make our own meal choices.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:37 PM

25. From an economics stand point

this doesn't make sense either. Private enterprise is already working towards solving the problem with inadequate competitive grocery stores in certain geographic areas (Amazon). We have an amazingly efficient distribution system.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:49 PM

27. This Russian spy/plant

Doesn't get shit. Nothing .nada.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

33. Privatized food distribution?

Ship out boxes of cheap food designed to feed refugees to poor Americans. Give them them a few lbs of raw rice, lentils, cooking oil, flour, salt and peanut butter, and sure they're getting nutritious food and pretty exciting meals.

Next up, Soylent Green.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

35. That's actually a brilliant idea!

to help crash the economy. The Russians should be delighted. Keep those good ideas coming, Mick!

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:24 PM

39. Just like the food they were to send to P.R.

Give a $150 million contract to a 1 person catering company.....to fulfill 30 million meals. What could go wrong...

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:31 PM

41. Bet trump teams up with some scammer like Jim Bakker to hand out scrap food and charge

it back to taxpayer for $$ they split

Or just maybe it will back fire and they will see Trump as the anti Christ

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:36 PM

42. Its not just that Trump has corrupted the GOP, the GOP has also made Trump worse.

I doubt that he ever thought about cutting food stamps or medicaid before meeting the likes of Paul "let's fuck the poor" Ryan.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:42 AM

75. This reminded me of "Supply Side Jesus"

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:41 PM

43. What does a military MRE cost?

I googled it. $7 or so. Compare that to $1.37 for the poorest.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

45. Humiliation

They ant to humiliate the poor. That is what this is about.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:05 AM

47. For people who don't believe in government interfering with people's lives,

they sure like getting up in everyone's business! And comparing peanut butter and canned vegetables to Blue Apron is just ludicrous!

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Response to Luciferous (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:39 AM

58. Dont worry about this program happening any time soon.


As soon as tRump’s Base hears that the SNAP program recipients will be getting “Blue Apron” type boxes they will have apoplexy. Never mind that it is basically the old Guvment cheese and peanut butter commodities, they will think it is the fresh salmon and broccoli crowns found in a Blue Apron box so will be howling like angry dogs. Sadly, even some of those not in the base won’t be happy about this either.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:12 AM

48. A Republican donor company will be given the contract to buy food from Republican donor

food manufacturers and hire Republican donor distributors. Food kits will be sent out to families without consideration for food allergies, ethnic food preference, nutrition, dietary needs and with all the money skimming done by Republican donor companies, it will actually cost the tax payers more but it will be marketed as a success with voodoo accounting that only compares the cost of the kit to the money not deposited on an EBT card. They will market the hell out of it's supposed "success" as being fiscally responsible and healthier because they included a can of peaches and VegAll and film a family of actors pretending to be happy with a kit that contains better food than the recipients actually get. Fox News will hail it as the most genius, cost saving, nutritional program ever.

The companies with the contracts use part of the tax payer funded windfall to donate back to the Republicans. wash, rinse, repeat.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:13 AM

49. Savings on bulk purchasing would be wiped out by shipping fees

A 20-lb box of canned food shipped weekly to millions of households will add up really fast.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:15 AM

50. Idiocracy. pure Idiocracy..

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:24 AM

52. If they actually sent out a better quality

of food that way, it would be good.

But the reality is, they wouldn't.

I've come around to thinking that every single citizen in this country should automatically get SNAP benefits. No income limits, no qualifications other than being a citizen. It would help everyone understand just what's involved in terms of the benefit conferred. Oh, and if you don't need those benefits, you'd be free to hand the card over to someone who needs it.

Personally, while I'm not all that poor, I'd welcome whatever that benefit is because it would save me cash I currently spend on food and could spend somewhere else.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:26 AM

53. They're running around like drunk 9 year olds...

looking for the next thing they can fuck up.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:36 AM

55. Ooh, Farmers are gonna love that!

Getting low balled on prices and all. Bet they didn't think that was part of the bargain when they voted for him, huh?

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:37 AM

56. The GOP water distribution plan is going to be awesome...



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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:38 AM

57. Fuck Off Big Brother.. you Stupid Draconian ******

I hope this can be undone when a Dem with a Heart gets in.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:52 AM

63. They'll disabuse themselves of this stupid idea just as soon as they figure out ...

how much it would cost.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:55 AM

66. I thought they wanted to reduce spending.

Mulvaney is a fool. The cost to purchase, transport, store, package, and distribute all this food would be ridiculously expensive.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:13 AM

69. This is a Republican idea so within six months of enactment

The meal kits will be foods that are poor quality, moldy, and maggot-filled. Prisons would be ashamed to serve it.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:28 AM

70. I'd address the stupidity of his idea...

...but I know this bastard doesn't intend to give anyone food at all, even the worst canned stuff you can find, so I'll assume he's just trying to look busy while actually doing nothing at all for the most needy. He has no concept at all of what normal people spend on food anyway.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:32 AM

71. In Germany, the government sends a monthly wire transfer

to anyone who earns less than the margin of subsistence and has no significant savings (though they either need to prove that they regularly apply for a job, or have a valid reason not to apply for a job).

You can spend that money on food. And that's probably what most people do.
And you can use it to go to the movies or visit the zoo, which is another thing that many people do.
But you can also spend it on booze, if you want. Or cigarettes.
Or sex workers.
If you put some money aside over a longer period of time you can even use it to pay for an abortion, though that would be stupid, because the government-mandated health care system pays for abortions if you need one.
It might be difficult to spend the money on guns though.

I call that concept "freedom".

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:29 AM

74. Hey Mulvaney .. go f... yourself. Blue Apron TYPE program my ass. Yeah right.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:28 AM

83. Mick Nick Maduro Mulvaney is always trying to find ways to bilk the system

by stealing from middle class and poor for the benefit of the corporations and wealthiest. America was and is becoming more corrupt with each passing day. When wall street insiders are at the helm of our nation, a repeat of 1929 and 2008 isn't far away. Fight like hell and resist.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:55 AM

84. Putting the morality of this aside, can you imagine what would be required in dollars

and cents to make this whacko idea work? We'd need warehouses and trucks and boxes and stackers and packers and shippers and mailing costs. This is one of the dumbest ideas to ever come out of anybody.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #84)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:40 AM

94. Yes, exactly.

Now that we've privatized every other damn thing about government, including lifeline utilities, let's set up a completely unnecessary food distribution system at public expense instead of benefiting from the private one that already exists.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:52 PM

87. He doesn't have a clue about what food costs, esp. what the poor pay for it. Blue Apron?

Blue Apron? Get real.

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