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Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:54 AM

Unsealed court docs point to Trump AND kids fraud charges going back 20 years.

If we had any doubt how much Ivanka and Eric. were part of the family syndicate...

This article has lots of Sater-Trump info, well worth the read.

Donald Trump promoted the Trump SoHo project on his former reality TV show, NBCís The Apprentice, and reaped a substantial cash reward for slapping his name on the building and management fees, even though the entire project flopped and resulted in a foreclosure. But the Trump Organization continued to manage it and earn $3 million annually for keeping its flagging brand on the front door until bought out late last year.

The Trump family hid a dark secret through the financing, construction and attempts to sell the Trump SoHo; Saterís past as a felon shouldíve disqualified him from borrowing $350 million or owning the company that did.

Instead, the Trump family, which leaked emails show knew about Saterís felonious past, kept it all quiet in the wake of the New York Times revealing the conviction, and even as the project solicited new financing.

Ivanka and Eric Trump were close to being criminally charged for their roles in Trump SoHo until family fixer attorney Marc Kasowitz intervened, and was later discovered to have given a substantial political donation to the Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance.
http://washingtonpress.com/2018/02/10/federal-court-just-unsealed-trumps-20-year-old-dirty-secrets/

Mueller is investigating the SoHo scheme, now.

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Reply Unsealed court docs point to Trump AND kids fraud charges going back 20 years. (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 OP
Greybnk48 Feb 2018 #1
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #3
dchill Feb 2018 #6
Greybnk48 Feb 2018 #7
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #11
pnwmom Feb 2018 #13
Sanity Claws Feb 2018 #20
pnwmom Feb 2018 #25
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #54
Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #29
PunksMom Feb 2018 #35
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #10
smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #31
triron Feb 2018 #2
magicarpet Feb 2018 #4
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #30
magicarpet Feb 2018 #36
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #37
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #45
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #47
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #57
Amaryllis Feb 2018 #63
onit2day Feb 2018 #64
Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #56
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #60
spanone Feb 2018 #5
Upthevibe Feb 2018 #8
Grammy23 Feb 2018 #9
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #12
triron Feb 2018 #14
AmericanActivist Feb 2018 #15
Hortensis Feb 2018 #50
Calista241 Feb 2018 #16
Sanity Claws Feb 2018 #21
mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #55
disalitervisum Feb 2018 #62
Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #17
Cha Feb 2018 #18
NCDem777 Feb 2018 #19
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #24
Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #26
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #46
Nevernose Feb 2018 #53
Hugin Feb 2018 #22
dalton99a Feb 2018 #23
panader0 Feb 2018 #27
stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #28
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #32
magicarpet Feb 2018 #39
Ilsa Feb 2018 #33
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #49
B Stieg Feb 2018 #34
malaise Feb 2018 #38
bluestarone Feb 2018 #43
Me. Feb 2018 #40
lancelyons Feb 2018 #41
Takket Feb 2018 #42
George II Feb 2018 #44
dchill Feb 2018 #48
Doodley Feb 2018 #51
dawg day Feb 2018 #52
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #58
red dog 1 Feb 2018 #59
zentrum Feb 2018 #61
dlk Feb 2018 #65
not fooled Feb 2018 #66
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #67
triron Feb 2018 #68
triron Feb 2018 #69

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:09 AM

1. I hope someone from the Trump mafia goes down

and they don't all walk away scot free. I have faith in Mueller.

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:13 AM

3. He and New York AG Eric Schneiderman are looking into the money laundering

They got it covered.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:23 AM

6. Yay-yuh!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:24 AM

7. My daughter Idolizes Eric Schneiderman.

She thinks, in the end, he's going to save us from these mobsters by charging them with things that they cannot get pardoned for.

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:58 AM

11. i've been hearing that. She is probably quite correct.

Between Federal law and state law, there will be enuff charges to go around.

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:59 AM

13. Schneiderman and maybe a couple other A.G.'s will help. Trump also owns property

in Maryland and California, both Democratic states.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 08:56 AM

20. The son in law owns property in MD.

Are you sure The Donald does?

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 10:44 AM

25. I guess I was thinking of DC. Which court has jurisdiction over the hotel?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 03:58 PM

54. They lease the building for the hotel in DC, not sure if that matters, but ... just sayin (nt)

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:11 AM

29. And Florida, which might be shifting bluer...

after the influx of Puerto Ricans this past year.

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:35 AM

35. That would be so totally awesome.

Please, please, please...let it happen soon!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:40 AM

10. I think Schneiderman will have a ticker tape parade on 5th Ave

when he gets these criminals convicted. I think he must have a red letter S on a blue body stocking and cape under his suit.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:15 AM

31. That is who I am placing my faith in.

There will be no pardons for those charges.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:13 AM

2. More to add to the overwhelming bad shit on this family.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:19 AM

4. RICO . RICO . RICO.....


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Response to magicarpet (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:14 AM

30. 45 will have to resign to avoid rico.

In the end, it's his own criminality he'll have to defend and the congress will just shrug and swear in pencil.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:45 AM

36. The NY Atty Gen....

..... if not mistaken - can bring RICO charges against the Orange King Shit-gibbon and no fed pardon can be placed on the table to protect him.

If Mueller's investigation is derailed or this Congress with McConnell/Ryan calling the shots and allows the Orange Blob to walk away scot-free - NY State courts will fry team tr-dump for all their illegalities. NY anti fraud laws and continuing criminal enterprise laws are as stringent as fed laws if not more so.

Tr-dump will hopefully pay for his decades of circumventing the law for personal profit and having his illegal gains raked back to the point of his financial destitution.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

37. I think it's likely. I really do.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:21 PM

45. Better yet, he can bring charges at any time against Frick and Frack.

Wonder what the statute of limitations are on RICO?

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:40 PM

47. Yes that's my dream - NYS leading the way

That would be an awesome scenario. However Mueller's plan is also a good one. I hope both Schneiderman and Mueller get to be the ones to usher Trump out of the White House in shackles on that magic day!



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 04:27 PM

57. NY is the last union stronghold, and it's under fire. Unions keep our democracy strong.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 07:01 PM

63. My guess is that Schneiderman and Mueller are not strangers on all this.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 10:24 PM

64. Karma for all the contractors he stiffed

 

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 04:22 PM

56. Why? It doesn't matter whether he's in office or not. If the evidence points to RICO

then he's going to be indicted and prosecuted. And when that happens, it will be an especially happy time because the MONEY Trumpy gained from any and all organized endeavors under RICO can and likely WILL be confiscated.

But there's another possibility, and if this is an issue, Mueller certainly knows about it: Tax Evasion. I'd place the probability at around 80% that this will be a surprise indictment that no one's really looking for right now. One of the first actions that Comey likely took (remember, he BEGAN the Trumpy investigation) was to obtain his tax records from the IRS. That was a mandatory move that ANY investigator would make, and Comey likely did it right out of the starting gate.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #56)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:28 PM

60. Everything you say is correct

However there is disagreement as to whether a sitting President can ever be indicted. Trump seems to think he gets a free ride while he's still in office. It's never happened before, and there would be lots of discussion and running to the Supreme Court for rulings. If the SCOTUS rules one way, can the NY Supreme Court rule another way? Who knows.

I don't know about you, but I hope they test this and decide once and for all, and get this done. The longer Cheeto stays in office the more fucked up we're getting every single day. We have to get him out whatever way we can.

After Trump is out of office - either by impeachment or by losing the next election - his goose is cooked. He's going to jail for life.


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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:22 AM

5. K&R...

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:26 AM

8. Thanks for the post....

....Will read tomorrow....

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:38 AM

9. No wonder tRumps hair is on fire .....in a manner of speaking.


It is pretty clear that the stress on tRump is through the roof. He knows deep down what he has done. So do his kids. They have gotten away with so much for so long, all of them probably think they can pull it off one more time. But you gotta know that the anxiety of it all must be eating them alive. tRump seems to have gotten nastier by the day. Ivanka and Jared are oddly not on the scene very much. Don Jr. and Eric are off chewing their nails or planning their next safari.

If there is any justice in this world (and I am not sure there is) all of them and quite a few more White House employees will go to prison for a long time. Iíd like to think that tRump himself will die in prison wearing an orange jumpsuit and his real hair. No Dye, lacquer, ultra sticky hair spray or self tanning cream. Eeekkk. The thought of that makes my stomach ache.

The walls are closing in on all of them. Meanwhile, tRump is desperately trying to figure a way out. He is a trapped rat. And no one can save him. No one. Expect lots more desperate moves before this ends. None of it will help. Might delay things. But the time to pay up is near.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:58 AM

12. but bias! messcans, wimens, Chin!!!

TrumPutin will be screaming about bias:




PRESENT:

Josť A. Cabranes,
Rosemary S. Pooler,
Denny Chin,

Circuit Judges.



Bwahaha!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:00 AM

14. plz send this to Rachel.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:24 AM

15. Glad the court unsealed these docs look forward

to reading them even if itís more than 10 pages I can handle it

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Response to AmericanActivist (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:02 PM

50. :) I'll wait for the big hitters who covered it extensively

back in 2017 to issue updates. New Yorker, NY Mag, Vanity Fair have provided some pretty good coverage of the Trumps, goings on in their neighborhood and all.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:40 AM

16. This would run into statute of limitations issues.

And the article reports that Felix Saterís company, Bayrock Group, LLC, borrowed the $350 million to build the project. The CIM Group, a well known LA based investment firm, A junior lender in the deal, ended up foreclosing on the property in 2014.

Vanity Fair reported that the Trump org didnít invest any capital into the project, and simply licensed the Trump name in exchange for royalties off of profits that supposedly never materialized.

The legal issues for the Trumps seem to stem from the fact that the Trumps knew Sater was a convicted felon, and was ineligible to qualify for a loan of that size.

Sater was also an FBI informant, and was complimented on his work by Loretta Lynch.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 08:59 AM

21. Even if sol issues, still is evidence

It would be admissible to show modus operandi, a pattern of behavior. Shows intent.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 04:05 PM

55. Dunno that he was at the time that he was securing the multi-hundred-million loan(s) ...

Seem to recall he busted for something illegal and got his sentencing suspended in exchange for acting as an informant for a time. Not sure if that time overlaps with TT deal, however.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:47 PM

62. No statute of limitations on espionage

The multi-layered equity structure scam of trump properties used for tax distribution/evasion and money laundering tie into establishment of fronts for foreign covert actions on American soil going back to 1987.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 03:14 AM

17. The Family Slime

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 04:19 AM

18. trumpskin is geting VETTED!

By Mueller!.. Mahalo, dixiegrrrrl!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 05:34 AM

19. Now why didn't our so called "liberal media"

 

report on this in 2016?

Oh right they were too busy reporting on tweets in between giving airtime to every Clinton Conspiracy theorist

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Response to NCDem777 (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:57 AM

24. NYT, April 2016: Donald Trump Settled a Real Estate Lawsuit, and a Criminal Case Was Closed

But Mr. Trump made an exception when buyers of units in Trump SoHo, a 46-story luxury condominium-hotel in Lower Manhattan, asserted that they had been defrauded by inflated claims made by Mr. Trump, his children and others of brisk sales in the struggling project. He and his co-defendants settled the case in November 2011, agreeing to refund 90 percent of $3.16 million in deposits, while admitting no wrongdoing.

The backdrop to that unusual denouement was a gathering legal storm that threatened to cast a harsh light on how he did business. Besides the fraud accusations, a separate lawsuit claimed that Trump SoHo was developed with the undisclosed involvement of convicted felons and financing from questionable sources in Russia and Kazakhstan.

And hovering over it all was a criminal investigation, previously unreported, by the Manhattan district attorney into whether the fraud alleged by the condo buyers broke any laws, according to documents and interviews with five people familiar with it. The buyers initially helped in the investigation, but as part of their lawsuit settlement, they had to notify prosecutors that they no longer wished to do so.
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Mr. Sater was convicted and sent to prison in 1993 after a New York bar fight in which he stabbed a man in the face with a broken margarita glass. That was a matter of public record. However, what few people beyond insiders at Bayrock knew was that five years later, Mr. Sater was implicated in a huge stock manipulation scheme involving Mafia figures and Russian criminals ó and that he became a confidential F.B.I. informant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/politics/donald-trump-soho-settlement.html?_r=0

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 10:57 AM

26. Just imagine the coverage this saga would have gotten had the name Clinton been involved.

 

Instead, how often did anyone hear about this story after the Times published it?

Liberal media, my kneecap

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:31 PM

46. Similar lawsuits around Toronto and Vancouver BC hotels.

Both of those projects involved a shady partner who got the questionable funds ( money laundering) while Trump did the publicity and sold some condos.
It is the identical pattern of his properties all over the globe, going back decades.

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Response to NCDem777 (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 03:56 PM

53. It was the same article that Weinstein was first mentioned in

When the NYT published this story last year, the part that people paid attention to was the small part of the story about Weinstein. #metoo was born but Jared and Ivanka were completely forgotten about the next.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:12 AM

22. Trump, a perfect illustration of how broken and subject to patronage the US Justice System is in...

reality.

Given all of his corruption over the years something should have taken him down long ago.

Instead, he's been appointed President while much better people never received a chance at all or are languishing in prison.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:20 AM

23. Another example of the Trump crime family making America great again

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:08 AM

28. K&R

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:15 AM

32. Draining the swamp, MY ASS!!!!!

fRump is nothing BUT swamp.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:52 AM

39. Septic tank ..... Cesspool....

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:19 AM

33. We were reading about the Cyrus Vance connection months ago.

I'm happy this is being brought up again, but which part of it is new information?

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:50 PM

49. There was a secret grand jury ruling from 1998 and it's just been unsealed

So old news, but new details and further clarification of Ivanka and Jared's involvement in the SoHo deal.

I don't think this stuff was reported back in 1998 but I could be wrong. Trump still had a pretty good hold on the NY media in 1998 and he used to threaten lawsuits and shit. He's gotten way too many passes from the media over the years, but it's all coming out now.


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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:34 AM

34. What's that old song?

"One scam leads to another..." (apologies to The Fixx)

The deception with tact, just what are you trying to say?
You've got a blank face, which irritates
Communicate, pull out your party piece
You see dimensions in two
State your case with black or white
But when one little cross leads to shots, grit your teeth
You run for cover so discreet, why don't they
Do what they say, say what you mean, and baby
One [Scam] leads to another
You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long but then
One [Scam] leads to another

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:49 AM

38. Lock them Up!

NOW

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Response to malaise (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:25 PM

43. oh yea this

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:58 AM

40. Once Again Cy Vance Lets Felons Skip

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:08 PM

41. Trump is immune to problems. He can do whatever he wants and there will be no repercussions.

 

Trump is immune to problems. He can do whatever he wants and there will be no repercussions.

The only thing that will change this is the 2018 election. If we can make it that far.

This election will be for the heart and soul of USA. If we dont win this election we are in trouble.

As we speak I am sure Trump is working with Russians to help the GOP win. This might be why 3 top russian cyber intelligence officials came and met with Americans Intelligence officials.

The attack on Schiff and the naked trump picture shows how quickly the russians can jump on something leading me to believe this is a coordinated from USA.

Everybody has to vote... Dont let your desires for Bernie or another candidate or pure ideological ideas get in the way.

This will be perhaps our last chance to take back our country.

The Republicans are not going to play by the rules. They dont care if they break the rules or break laws. They are currently immune to this.


When we take back the country.. I am going to ask my elected officials to focus on preventing this from happening again.

- If trump had been forced to release tax records things might have been different.
- fox news has to be destroyed or we have to start fighting fire with fire.

We cant just be the group with honor, dignity and integrity.. we have to get these people out of the way. We have to stop them.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:22 PM

42. That's nice but...

I want drumpf out of office ASAP. I don't think mueller should be using time and resources on EVERY crime the drumpf cabal ever committed. Tie the Russia noose around their neck and let's get the show on the road. We can hammer him on all these corrupt real estate deals as well AFTER he's been locked up for being a traitor.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:43 PM

44. That's a state crime, I'll bet Schneiderman is investigating it, too.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:41 PM

48. K&R.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:29 PM

51. But Trump previously suggested, several times, that he barely knows who Felix Sater is.

It would be so unlike Trump to lie, wouldn't it?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 03:46 PM

52. tHE elder Cy Vance

His father?
resigned from the Carter White House on a point of principle (he was against that invasion of Iran to get back the hostages, though it's not all that clear if it was a moral objection or a practical one).

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Response to dawg day (Reply #52)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:06 PM

58. Yep. n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:13 PM

59. K&R...Thanks for posting

(From OpEdNews yesterday)

"Is Trump's Reichstag-Fire Moment Close at Hand?"

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:42 PM

61. Furious at Cy Vance.

Seems a clear bribe IMO.

He's like Cuomo in that the son is no where as authentic and honest as the father.

Didn't Vance also refuse to bring charges against Weinstein, after he received a campaign contribution, even though it was strong sexual assault case?

He could have ended the Trump nightmare for us back then.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:15 PM

65. The Entire Family Has Been Dirty for Decades

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Response to dlk (Reply #65)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 12:37 AM

66. Generations

the grandfather came to the US to dodge the draft in Germany, and made his fortune running brothels. The father or grandfather was in a KKK march.

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Response to dlk (Reply #65)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 01:12 AM

67. Yeah...and now it is all coming to light.

Which will be ruinous for the family.
Be a rotten shame to lose their sterling reputation.....

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 01:16 AM

68. kick for visibility

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:19 PM

69. kick for visibility

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