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Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:35 PM

Trump is losing his war on the FBI

Sixty-six percent of Americans surveyed said they would take the side of the FBI if a schism were to arise between the bureau and Trump, while only 24 percent said they would side with the president.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/373146-poll-most-say-they-believe-fbi-over-trump




Who would have thunk (sp) a Republican president would declare war on the FBI and we Democrats would be there to defend them ?

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Reply Trump is losing his war on the FBI (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 OP
cilla4progress Feb 2018 #1
duforsure Feb 2018 #2
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #3
Hortensis Feb 2018 #18
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #20
Hortensis Feb 2018 #21
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #4
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #5
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #9
AllyCat Feb 2018 #39
Volaris Feb 2018 #24
Hekate Feb 2018 #38
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #6
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #8
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #10
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #11
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #15
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #17
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #26
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #30
John Fante Feb 2018 #27
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #31
Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #29
NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #35
Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #36
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2018 #7
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #12
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #19
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #25
Iliyah Feb 2018 #13
standingtall Feb 2018 #14
FigTree Feb 2018 #16
world wide wally Feb 2018 #22
doc03 Feb 2018 #23
CanonRay Feb 2018 #28
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #32
Turbineguy Feb 2018 #33
lpbk2713 Feb 2018 #34
Hekate Feb 2018 #37
Gothmog Feb 2018 #40

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:36 PM

1. Never ceases to amaze me

how much pols and our leaders actually rely on these polls for policy decisions and political moves!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:40 PM

2. He's losing a lot of wars

More and more people are turning on him and the Republican party, and why not. Look at what they are doing, and the people they accept into their party, and the lying is unbelievable. Now he wants badly to start a war. He'll lose that too.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:41 PM

3. Does that signal a decrease in his base?

His base was supposedly around 35%. This poll shows only 24% side with him. What this tells me is that attacking our intelligence actually lost him some support.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:09 PM

18. 24% is about the hard authoritarian core of his base,

if this poll is indicative it'd seem to suggest the rest of his base is melting away on this issue.

As I recall, W's support seldom dropped below mid-30s and always rose back up until the very end.
Don't remember it dropping below about this 24%, though, no matter what he did, until the very last weeks of his 8th year when his hard-core True Followers realized their Leader was a dud who wasn't magically going to turn losing into winning for them. My recall is tanking somewhere around 12-15%.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:19 PM

20. My hope is that this issue is serious enough to permanently dissuade

those who've abandoned him over it from liking him again down the road -- a permanent eye opener. But I'm not holding my breath...

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:25 PM

21. My hope and fear also. We know they just need time

enough to "justify" a decision to follow further down the rat hole. And the powers on the right are working hard to dissociate candidates from Trump the Reality while keeping them hooked to the "MAGA" dream.

COUNTDOWN TO DUMPING THE CRUDS: 269 days

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:42 PM

4. When he fires Rosenstein... which is imminent.... polls won't matter.

 


The Mueller investigation will be stopped.

It is imperative that the Dem Memo get out before that can happen.

Our Republic may actually depend on it.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:44 PM

5. If Trump wants to engineer the firing of Mueller the memo won't stop him.

The only antidote to his lawless behavior is a Democratic Congress.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:50 PM

9. With his re-made FBI/DOJ systematically taking down Dem opponents by November...

 

...we won't be able to take congress.


He is trying to create his own police force, to use as a bludgeon against any that oppose him.


Releasing the Dem Memo would possibly create enough public outrage to force the CURRENT congress to keep him in check. To make it impossible for him to fire Rosenstein.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:41 PM

39. What happens if the Democrats release the memo anyway?

I am also not sure what the memo will solve. Anyone with an explanation or helpful links, let me know.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:56 PM

24. If he fires Mueller the NYAG will tear his fucking heart out,

And there isn't a DAMN THING he can do to stop it.
It might take longer to put him there that way, but one way or another this treasonous asshole WILL die in prison.

'Dread it, run from it, that Destiny still arrives.'

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Response to Volaris (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:08 PM

38. From your lips to the Goddess's ears, Volaris. nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:47 PM

6. The war between FBI and Trump isn't being won by "polls". Trump is winning this war....

 

...because good people, Rachel Brand the latest, are being systematically removed from the FBI/DOJ.

He is remaking them into his own personal police force.

The polls are immaterial. Rosenstein will be removed soon. Wray will follow. Mueller will be removed or have the oxygen cut off to his investigation.


You think the "polls" matter in this? The public could be 99% for the FBI over Trump and it wouldn't matter.


Trump is fighting this war on the REAL battlefield, and you're worried about "polls".


The Demo Memo needs to be released to the public... either by leak or other means.... as soon as possible.


The cover up is working. By 2020, Trump will be able to use his remade FBI to go after any and all opponents in the election... take them down one by one. Making himself a dictator.


Fuck the polls. Dems need to go nuclear. Release the Dem Memo.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:50 PM

8. How is releasing the memo going to prevent the parade of horribles you describe ?

Our only check on Trump is electing a Democratic congress.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:54 PM

10. Several ways....

 

1. Releasing the memo will make it very hard for a lot of GOP congressmen to go along with ending the Mueller investigation. Right now, they can use the Nunes memo as justification. The Dem memo blows away their cover.

2. It engages the public even more.... making it harder to gaslight voters.... making a Dem congress in November more likely.

3. It exposes the cover up. Making Nunes *NEXT* memos... starting with the one he will release on State Dept... non-starters. Right now, his memo is the only one on the record, and can twist the narrative in Trump's favor.


There is a reason Trump is blocking it.... because he knows its release will hurt him. Which is why getting it out there any way possible is a good result.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:56 PM

11. Trump suggested it's okay to punch a woman in her face and put a cigarette out on her hand.

We either vote him out or we are ruined. Releasing a memo won't be undoing.


He has committed one aberrant act after another. Either the voters care and vote out his enablers or they don't.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:01 PM

15. You believe we will have a fair election in '18 or '20 if Trump's DOJ/FBI purge isn't stopped?

 

You're naive.

We have to pull out *ALL* the stops to stop him right now.

Releasing the Dem Memo is just one.... but any and all cards we have to play have to be played *RIGHT* now.


A week from now, there might be no Mueller investigation. To the extent the Dem Memo release can slow down the FBI purge...and I think it can.... it has to be used.


By November, the FBI will be investigating *EVERY* Democratic challenger in a tight race....anyone who can threaten Trump.... in order to tilt the elections. The voting machines will *NOT* be protected, as Trump will have his FBI/DOJ look the other way.


We won't have a Republic by November if we don't do everything to stop him *NOW*.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:07 PM

17. How is releasing a memo going to stop Trump from assuming the role of Dear Leader ?

You are attributing to the memo mythical powers, as it's the most important piece of parchment since the Magna Carta.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:32 PM

26. It's one piece of many.

 

The simple fact that Trump is trying to prevent its release means that its release would be good for the country.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:59 PM

30. Trump is a toxic mix of hubris and ignorance.

The fact he is so transparent is a gift.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:38 PM

27. Got tonight's lotto numbers?

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Response to John Fante (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:07 PM

31. I doubt Trump can turn the FBI into STASI.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:51 PM

29. I missed that Rachel Brand is resigning. Damn.

She seemed like she might be strong enough and willing to stand up to the corruption. Guess not. I read that her assistant resigned, too.

They're all jumping ship. It's pretty hot close to the W.H. I would have thought people in high level positions like that are made of sterner stuff than leaving after 9 months. I mean, she KNEW Trump was President and what he was like before she took the job.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:19 PM

35. After Newtown

95% of Americans supported stronger background checks before gun purchases, but Repubilcans still blocked it in Congress.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:34 PM

36. Chill out, William Roper

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

- A Man for all Seasons

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:49 PM

7. I think the Democrats have always been on the side of the FBI and the rule of law.

Belief in the rule of law is not a partisan issue. When you don't like the law (e.g., the lack of voter rights protections) you convince enough people you're right and you change the law.

The GOP belief is that if you're not getting your way under the current rules and traditions, you change or abolish the rules and ignore the traditions.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:57 PM

12. The casualties in Trump's war on the FBI are:

 


Sally Yates
Jim Comey
Andrew McCabe
Rachel Brand
Peter Strzok
Lisa Page

and soon... Rod Rosenstein and Bob Mueller.


You think Trump is "losing" this war? His purge is working... he is winning this war in a rout.


You think polls matter?



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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:10 PM

19. I think polls matter when people vote, don't you ?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:31 PM

25. Trump will use his personal police force (FBI) to investigate/arrest Dems in close races....

 

....he'll tip the scales in the election.


And that's not even considering how the voting will be tinkered with.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:57 PM

13. My opinion, I don't think he's gonna to fire the

two. I think, thru the GOPs in congress, RW bullshit media, and his lawyers, they will paint the FBI/DOJ as unlawfully trying to take t-rump down.

Firing the two would be a short delay, but it would never ever die, ever. The cloud would there.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:00 PM

14. Nixon tried to undermine the FBI

too. This narrative that is being pushed that republicans have always been the law and order party is blatantly false. In addition to now two republican presidents attempting to discredit the FBI republicans have spent generations attack the justice system and the judiciary.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:06 PM

16. That's how I read the DOJ's #3 departure

High rankings always have prior knowledge of what's about to unfold. It's like animals before an earthquake. Or chatter before an attack.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:31 PM

22. The long and short of it...

Trump is fucking evil, and he is after us

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:33 PM

23. They did tht poll here at a local TV station in West Virginia and got 70%

that think the FBI did something illegal. Sinclair Broadcasting station, all their polls come out that way. I think they just make them up.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:49 PM

28. That same damn 24%. If we could ship them to the moon

we'd have a great country.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:11 PM

32. He has lost a lot of ground these last 2 months

His tweets are becoming almost predictably biased to help himself. Facts don't matter, laws not to be regarded.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:13 PM

33. And once the FSB fires Hannity

that 24 percent may not be as much.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:15 PM

34. Trump is engaged in a war of wits.



And he is unarmed.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:52 PM

37. FYI Agent Mike: In the battle for Truth, Justice, and the American Way, we've always supported...

...those who work to support those basics. We know that most of you are straight arrows, and we don't want either the FBI nor the Justice Dept as a whole destroyed on the whims of a lunatic who embraces every dictator he encounters, especially Putin.

Ps: Yes, after coming of age in the 1960s, this does feel weird.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:17 PM

40. I would support the FBI over trump

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