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Fri Feb 9, 2018, 09:57 PM

 

DEMOCRATS DO NOT CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT! SO THE ULTRA LEFT NEEDS TO END THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD!

I am SICK TO DEATH of people on the ultra left bashing Democrats as "cavers" and all the rest of that stinking rotten SHIT when the Dems don't even control the god damned government! The R's have both Houses of Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court, thanks to many of the Dem bashers staying home and not even voting, or voting third party for goofballs like Jill Stein. MANY Bernie voters (and no offense to Bernie because I like him) refused to vote for Hillary because of sour grapes. This was ONE of the major reasons that scumbag Trump got in.

Now the bashers are bashing over the budget deal and the DACA issue. NEWSFLASH: If the Dems were in charge, DACA wouldn't even be an issue. It would be DONE. But we CAN NOT TOLERATE A SHUTDOWN!! There are in fact OTHER issues. The Dems do not control the government, so they got the best damn deal they could on domestic spending and economic investments. DACA will have to be done separately. And they are trying to do that.

So, here is what the bashers need to do. REMEMBER THAT ELECTIONS ACTUALLY MATTER AND VOTING ACTUALLY MATTERS. Get up off your butts in EVERY SINGLE ELECTION, GO TO THE GOD DAMNED POLLS, and VOTE THE RIGHT WAY.

I am not saying the Dem Party has been perfect. It hasn't been. It needs to get a better message and run better campaigns. (Lately it has been getting better, though there is still much more work to do.)

BUT, bashing the Dems now only helps Trump and fuckface scumbag R's and serves NO other purpose. Go to the voting booth, put Dems in control, and they can have some power and do more with DACA. Meantime, elections have consequences. So it is what it is. Not happy with Trump? Not happy with ReFUCKlicans in power? Then go VOTE and VOTE THE RIGHT DAMN WAY! AND BRING TEN FRIENDS WITH YOU!

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Reply DEMOCRATS DO NOT CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT! SO THE ULTRA LEFT NEEDS TO END THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD! (Original post)
LBM20 Feb 2018 OP
ornotna Feb 2018 #1
LBM20 Feb 2018 #5
ornotna Feb 2018 #7
musicblind Feb 2018 #53
ornotna Feb 2018 #58
musicblind Feb 2018 #60
ornotna Feb 2018 #61
musicblind Feb 2018 #67
TomSlick Feb 2018 #2
pangaia Feb 2018 #3
LBM20 Feb 2018 #6
Hortensis Feb 2018 #39
nycbos Feb 2018 #9
Hortensis Feb 2018 #41
Sherman A1 Feb 2018 #13
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #4
SidDithers Feb 2018 #42
leftstreet Feb 2018 #8
Atticus Feb 2018 #11
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #26
Atticus Feb 2018 #33
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #48
SidDithers Feb 2018 #43
Atticus Feb 2018 #44
Atticus Feb 2018 #45
Atticus Feb 2018 #46
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #56
Atticus Feb 2018 #59
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #70
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #47
shanny Feb 2018 #34
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #57
shanny Feb 2018 #63
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #69
snort Feb 2018 #15
jalan48 Feb 2018 #17
LeftInTX Feb 2018 #21
shanny Feb 2018 #35
TreasonousBastard Feb 2018 #10
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #27
shanny Feb 2018 #36
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #49
shanny Feb 2018 #65
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #68
KG Feb 2018 #12
Cha Feb 2018 #14
MGKrebs Feb 2018 #16
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #28
Kentonio Feb 2018 #38
Eko Feb 2018 #18
hueymahl Feb 2018 #19
LBM20 Feb 2018 #24
Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #29
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2018 #20
LBM20 Feb 2018 #23
JI7 Feb 2018 #31
Iggo Feb 2018 #51
betsuni Feb 2018 #22
bobGandolf Feb 2018 #25
JI7 Feb 2018 #30
NCTraveler Feb 2018 #32
GaryCnf Feb 2018 #37
JHB Feb 2018 #40
Iggo Feb 2018 #50
guillaumeb Feb 2018 #52
musicblind Feb 2018 #55
vi5 Feb 2018 #62
NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #54
aikoaiko Feb 2018 #64
treestar Feb 2018 #66

Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:04 PM

1. Thank you for your support

tovarishch.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:17 PM

5. I totally and completely support DACA. But DEMS ARE NOT IN CHARGE! Dem bashers need to go vote and

 

vote the CORRECT way. They wouldn't have to bitch about what TRUMP and REPUBLICANS are doing. It is NOT the Dems' fault.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:20 PM

7. I have no idea what you are raving about

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Response to ornotna (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:50 PM

53. What he is raving about is that you used a Russian word in your post to imply that the OP is Russian

rather than addressing any of the valid points he makes.

It is not acceptable for Democrats to bash other Democrats and it is even less acceptable for Democrats to vote in the interest of Republicans or refuse to vote. If either of those ideas leads you to believe that the OP is a Russian, that says more about you than it does him or her.

The word you used, tovarishch, is a Russian word meaning friend, comrade or, ally.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:17 PM

58. It is Russian

Very good.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:33 PM

60. You're the one who asked what he was raving about.

So, I answered your question.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:42 PM

61. I applaud your ability

to read his mind and answer for the OP. I notice you've done that further down thread as well. You've got mad skillz.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #61)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 05:54 AM

67. Why, thank you very much! n/t

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:08 PM

2. True that.

The constant self-inflicted wounds are amazing.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:09 PM

3. With all due respect for your post, which is accurate.



not another one...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:19 PM

6. When those who need to get the message get it, we will stop. I am sick of getting Dem-bashing

 

emails over DACA and seeing Dem-bashing posts here over DACA. Dems WANT DACA. But they don't have the POWER. Go vote, put them in charge, and then they can do more.

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:12 AM

39. Sympathize, but maybe responding if needed to hostile

posts that don't drop on their own, as opposed to posting challenges to generate more, would be a better tactic.

Challenging emoprog types to become "correct" is almost exactly as useful as demanding the same of their counterparts from the right. Gas on flames.

Same for malicious intruders, volunteer or paid. They love this stuff.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:20 PM

9. It wouldn't need repeating if the left didn't sound like these python sketch.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:23 AM

41. You're talking about those on the noisy fringes who always

squabble and complain, though, no matter the issues or candidates of the moment.

The Democratic Party could never have become America's gathering place for our enormously diverse population to achieve common aims if even a third of our people were squabbling, ineffectual malcontents. Or the our-way-or-no-way sorts.

The eternal resentful noise from the fringes does not indicate numbers and power. Not back when Jefferson and Madison created the Democratic Party and never since. No matter how much the media inflate it to create fake drama.



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Response to pangaia (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:42 PM

13. I have a solution for this

and I tend to question the accuracy of the OP, but nevertheless.....

The solution works....

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:10 PM

4. Absolutely right. The Democratic Party is doing the best they can...given the betrayal of the same

folks who are crying now. The Democrats didn't let dreamers down...you all did when you voted for Stein or even in some of the JPR types for Trump...or maybe you stayed home. The dreamers would be just fine if you had not decided to 'send a message'. You want to blame someone Sarandon, Turner , those who complain incessantly about Dems at the nation and at Salon...look in the mirror.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:26 AM

42. +1...nt

Sid

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:20 PM

8. What is the 'ultra left?' n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:40 PM

11. Uh, those used to be called "moderates", but now it's just anyone who voices

an opinion before checking to see if everyone else agrees.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:49 AM

26. The same crowd that voted for Nader in 2000 betrayed Obama in 10 and 14...and Hillary in

16. They call themselves progressive but hate the Democratic Party;I don't believe they are progressive myself...the tear it down and start over crowd...revolution and all...who care who gets hurt...the greater good crowd...Sarandon is an example of a member of this group. We need to realize that they are the enemies of progressive policy and not different from the Republicans in terms of outcome.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 08:22 AM

33. That's your silly simplistic response to anyone who strays from what you say is

the "true" Democratic message. Many of us who worked our asses off for Hillary are insulted by your !umping us in with Stein et al. You should reconsider how you deal with us as you are alienating good Democrats.
I'm sure you'll consider that further evidence of apostosfy, but.there it is.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:36 PM

48. I don't include you ...only those whom I specifically mentioned who did not vote for Democrats when

it counted. I don't see it as complicated...you vote for Democrats in the general or you get Republicans...very simplistic really. And good Democrats don't drive voters away by criticizing Democrats when it is the GOP's fault , refusing to donate to Democrats or the party and by not voting when it counts. I consider not voting for Democrats in the general 'apostofy' for sure.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:28 AM

43. Nailed it again...



And you know them by their wailing and gnashing of teeth, when they're called out.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:52 AM

46. Yeah, because only the "guilty as charged" get upset when they are maligned and insulted.

If those accused of "hating Democrats" were truly innocent, they'd appreciate being falsely accused by people who don't know them, right?

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Response to Atticus (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:14 PM

56. The 'innocent' might not even consider it applies to them...the guilty flee

where no man pursueth.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #56)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:32 PM

59. I suppose when one claims the right to retroactively pronounce to whom your criticism

applies, as you do, it is easy to pronouce who is "guilty". We could go back and forth all evening, but to what end? I am a liberal Democrat. You are not going to change that.
And, I call "bullshit" when I smell it even if the "bull" has a "D" after his or her name. You're not gonna change that either.
Let's agree to disagree and continue working to elect a Democratic House AND Senate this fall. We share goals, if not attitudes.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #59)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:43 AM

70. I am a liberal Democrat also...but I have no patience with those who claim to be Democrats who

don't vote for the Democratic nominee, criticize the party thus driving voters away...who didn't have Gore's,Kerry's Obama's and Hillary's back in 2000, 2004,2010 and 2016. You can try to parse words and 'explain' this but I too have a BS barometer. I am not saying that you did any of the above by the way...just those who did can cry me a river, and I don't give to fucks. They are not progressive and never will be.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:31 PM

47. Thank you Sid...and I love your tag...love that song... Van Morrison.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:23 AM

34. +1

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:15 PM

57. Thank you.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:31 PM

63. why

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #63)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:39 AM

69. For the plus 1

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:44 PM

15. And is it safe for all of my fine washables?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:04 PM

17. It keeps changing with time. It might be anybody to the left of Ronald Reagan these days.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:45 AM

21. The ones who insist on purity tests

The ones who belong on JPR.
The ones who call mainstream Dems, "corporate elites".

The ones that hate Hillary.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:27 AM

35. Certainly nobody here would insist

 

on purity tests, no sir!




oh, wait....

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:26 PM

10. I agree, but it has always been this way and I see no way to stop it...

As Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to any organized party-- I'm a Democrat."

The successes we have had were in spite of ourselves.

BTW-- tons of really good stuff here--

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Will_Rogers

("If you ever injected truth into politics you'd have no politics "

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:49 AM

27. But you see these folks are not Democrats.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:29 AM

36. Just for grins,

 

if they are not Democrats, how have they betrayed us?

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Response to shanny (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:40 PM

49. They have betrayed the progressive movement.

We are in danger of losing everything we have worked for since Roosevelt.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:42 PM

65. I think your aim is poor

 

or we don't agree on the definition of "progressive"

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Response to shanny (Reply #65)

Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:38 AM

68. Anyone who did not vote Hillary needs a new name...progressive they are not.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:41 PM

12. I lulz'd

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:44 PM

14. Yeah, they always pull that thoughless shite.

3rd party voters who are partly responsible for the gigantic mess we're in.. and they sit back and whine about it.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:57 PM

16. 'Circular firing squad' would indicate shooting at each other...

'shooting' in this case meaning verbal shots. Telling the other side to shut up is a verbal shot. So if you want to end the circular firing squad, stop shooting, comrade.

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Response to MGKrebs (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:50 AM

28. Those that are criticising the Democratic party do need to shut up and go away. They don't like

us or vote for us...thus who gives a damn what they think. They are not Democrats.

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Response to MGKrebs (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:26 AM

38. Bingo.

 

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:21 PM

18. I mean we just have to find the right message.

Or something like that,,,,, its not like there are tons of dumb fucks out there who watch honey boo boo and the history channel monster quest that dont give a fuck about facts and reality, never read the repugs memo and have no idea what it is about and talk about how the Democratic party is full of shit and the memo shows it and dont, even, know, what the repug memo was trying to say,,,,,,,,,,,,its the same assholes who think Dumph is good when they are loosing their kids snap and food stamps, that a heavy snow is proof that global warming is bunk while Australia is at 120 mother fucking degrees,,, and they tell me this while my mother and their grandmother is dying, just liking to stick it to me, the liberal in the family because they are a bunch of heartless mother fuckers that only get off on being assholes. We just have to find the right message. No fucking thanks. EOM.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:02 AM

19. Yeah, because what leaders are doing is working so well

A little kick in the ass is sometimes a good thing.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:12 AM

24. Did you read my WHOLE post? I said they weren't perfect. But your "kick in the ass" helped give us

 

TRUMP. Are you happy now? And HE and the ReFUCKlicans killed DACA, NOT the Dems!

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:57 AM

29. It is working well. The leaders have been great...and a kick in the ass as you describe drives

voters away from the party which I think is the goal of these fake progressives who are not Democrats.( Third party riffraff). We need to stop thinking of them as being on our side because they are not. They want a big revolution and then from the ashes they build their paradise...of course millions would be hurt or killed but they don't care. The lack of empathy for average people is one of many traits they share with their Republican buddies. Revolution which leaves a place in ashes never works . But most are not students of history and don't know that...dumb as rocks in my opinion and not Democrats. We should have nothing to do with them and hit them just as hard during election as Republicans with ads and speeches because for all intents and purposes that is what they are.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:43 AM

20. The Purist Left voted Jill Stein or stayed at home. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:11 AM

23. Yup. At least too damn many did.

 

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 08:07 AM

31. If they voted jill stein they aren't pure. They are trolls but certainly not liberal.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:44 PM

51. Purists voted for the Dem. (n/t)

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:50 AM

22. K&R

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:35 AM

25. Valid Point, But Dems Need Daily Counter-Message

The bashing each other over the "how to...how much" on specific issues is counter productive, and not needed at this point.
Criticizing Dem leaders for their silence, due to internal debates, is valid. There is no reason for the continued silence. Dem leaders can, and should, respond to the daily horrific dismantling of programs that directly help or protect Americans, the environment, etc. without arguing among ourselves. We need to respond to the criminal acts against our country, and our democracy every day.
WHAT THE HELL IS THEIR TO DEBATE? The nightmarish attacks against our country by the Trump Administration, and congressional republicans, gives ALL democrats, and independents, ample material to speak out.
Ultra left, middle of the road, and conservative Democrats need to STOP attacking each other. Take turns going after republicans. Every time Trump's face appears on the news, so should a democratic leader calling out his lies.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 08:05 AM

30. Why refer to them as the left when they want republicans to win ?

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 08:11 AM

32. There is a part...

 

If the group you mention who are simply oppositional. Itís like a state of being. More often than not solid leftists but they are inherently attracted to what they see as problems. Why talk about positives when we have things to fix. Itís a bit understandable but with that absolute mindset one truly can be defined as the opposition.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:40 AM

37. Indeed, we do not control the government

 

We are not needed, nor are we wanted. We get ONLY what a modern day fascist and his congressional henchmen are willing to give us and then ONLY by paying a king's ransom. We end that ONLY by retaking the government.

That being said, and without pushing the canard that a determinative portion of the voters of this country are BOTH "centrists" AND hold those views with such conviction that they cannot be persuaded that the left presents a better option than the right, tell us how paying off blackmail makes us more attractive to voters?

I agree bashing our brand is absolutely insane. Showing the strength of our brand is at least an option we should be able to discuss without suffering through these kinds of attacks.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:19 AM

40. Oohh, scolding about "circular firing squads" by engaging in one!

What an unheard-of development.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:43 PM

50. Define "ultra left."

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Response to Iggo (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:46 PM

52. Well.............................

you know. Those people.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:05 PM

55. He means people who would vote for Jill Stein, Donald Trump or not vote at all

in order to hurt the Democratic party to "teach them a lesson" for daring not to have selected their favorite candidate during the primaries. I'd say the fringe 1 to 2 percent that screams louder in order to make themselves seem larger than their numbers.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:56 PM

62. From what I can gather from the 10,000 post on here every day about this...

 

..it's anyone not clapping loudly enough.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:57 PM

54. Democratic Party purists had better wake

the fuck up and realize this is the dirtiest street fight ever and they need a bigass mob of voters going forward, some of whom may not share all their lofty standards.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:38 PM

64. I don't see much bashing or purity testing.


What are examples of the things you see?

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:45 PM

66. When the Dems are in power

They do the same thing. What the Dems can get even then is not enough.

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