DEMOCRATS DO NOT CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT! SO THE ULTRA LEFT NEEDS TO END THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD!

[LBM20]

I am SICK TO DEATH of people on the ultra left bashing Democrats as "cavers" and all the rest of that stinking rotten SHIT when the Dems don't even control the god damned government! The R's have both Houses of Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court, thanks to many of the Dem bashers staying home and not even voting, or voting third party for goofballs like Jill Stein. MANY Bernie voters (and no offense to Bernie because I like him) refused to vote for Hillary because of sour grapes. This was ONE of the major reasons that scumbag Trump got in.

Now the bashers are bashing over the budget deal and the DACA issue. NEWSFLASH: If the Dems were in charge, DACA wouldn't even be an issue. It would be DONE. But we CAN NOT TOLERATE A SHUTDOWN!! There are in fact OTHER issues. The Dems do not control the government, so they got the best damn deal they could on domestic spending and economic investments. DACA will have to be done separately. And they are trying to do that.

So, here is what the bashers need to do. REMEMBER THAT ELECTIONS ACTUALLY MATTER AND VOTING ACTUALLY MATTERS. Get up off your butts in EVERY SINGLE ELECTION, GO TO THE GOD DAMNED POLLS, and VOTE THE RIGHT WAY.

I am not saying the Dem Party has been perfect. It hasn't been. It needs to get a better message and run better campaigns. (Lately it has been getting better, though there is still much more work to do.)

BUT, bashing the Dems now only helps Trump and fuckface scumbag R's and serves NO other purpose. Go to the voting booth, put Dems in control, and they can have some power and do more with DACA. Meantime, elections have consequences. So it is what it is. Not happy with Trump? Not happy with ReFUCKlicans in power? Then go VOTE and VOTE THE RIGHT DAMN WAY! AND BRING TEN FRIENDS WITH YOU!

[ornotna]

1. Thank you for your support

tovarishch.

[LBM20]

5. I totally and completely support DACA. But DEMS ARE NOT IN CHARGE! Dem bashers need to go vote and

vote the CORRECT way. They wouldn't have to bitch about what TRUMP and REPUBLICANS are doing. It is NOT the Dems' fault.

[ornotna]

7. I have no idea what you are raving about

[musicblind]

53. What he is raving about is that you used a Russian word in your post to imply that the OP is Russian

rather than addressing any of the valid points he makes.

It is not acceptable for Democrats to bash other Democrats and it is even less acceptable for Democrats to vote in the interest of Republicans or refuse to vote. If either of those ideas leads you to believe that the OP is a Russian, that says more about you than it does him or her.

The word you used, tovarishch, is a Russian word meaning friend, comrade or, ally.

[ornotna]

58. It is Russian

Very good.

[musicblind]

60. You're the one who asked what he was raving about.

So, I answered your question.

[ornotna]

61. I applaud your ability

to read his mind and answer for the OP. I notice you've done that further down thread as well. You've got mad skillz.

[musicblind]

67. Why, thank you very much! n/t

[TomSlick]

2. True that.

The constant self-inflicted wounds are amazing.

[pangaia]

3. With all due respect for your post, which is accurate.

not another one...

[LBM20]

6. When those who need to get the message get it, we will stop. I am sick of getting Dem-bashing

emails over DACA and seeing Dem-bashing posts here over DACA. Dems WANT DACA. But they don't have the POWER. Go vote, put them in charge, and then they can do more.

[Hortensis]

39. Sympathize, but maybe responding if needed to hostile

posts that don't drop on their own, as opposed to posting challenges to generate more, would be a better tactic.

Challenging emoprog types to become "correct" is almost exactly as useful as demanding the same of their counterparts from the right. Gas on flames.

Same for malicious intruders, volunteer or paid. They love this stuff.

[nycbos]

9. It wouldn't need repeating if the left didn't sound like these python sketch.

Last edited Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

[Hortensis]

41. You're talking about those on the noisy fringes who always

squabble and complain, though, no matter the issues or candidates of the moment.

The Democratic Party could never have become America's gathering place for our enormously diverse population to achieve common aims if even a third of our people were squabbling, ineffectual malcontents. Or the our-way-or-no-way sorts.

The eternal resentful noise from the fringes does not indicate numbers and power. Not back when Jefferson and Madison created the Democratic Party and never since. No matter how much the media inflate it to create fake drama.

[Sherman A1]

13. I have a solution for this

and I tend to question the accuracy of the OP, but nevertheless.....

The solution works....

[Demsrule86]

4. Absolutely right. The Democratic Party is doing the best they can...given the betrayal of the same

folks who are crying now. The Democrats didn't let dreamers down...you all did when you voted for Stein or even in some of the JPR types for Trump...or maybe you stayed home. The dreamers would be just fine if you had not decided to 'send a message'. You want to blame someone Sarandon, Turner , those who complain incessantly about Dems at the nation and at Salon...look in the mirror.

[SidDithers]

42. +1...nt

Sid

[leftstreet]

8. What is the 'ultra left?' n/t

[Atticus]

11. Uh, those used to be called "moderates", but now it's just anyone who voices

an opinion before checking to see if everyone else agrees.

[Demsrule86]

26. The same crowd that voted for Nader in 2000 betrayed Obama in 10 and 14...and Hillary in

16. They call themselves progressive but hate the Democratic Party;I don't believe they are progressive myself...the tear it down and start over crowd...revolution and all...who care who gets hurt...the greater good crowd...Sarandon is an example of a member of this group. We need to realize that they are the enemies of progressive policy and not different from the Republicans in terms of outcome.

[Atticus]

33. That's your silly simplistic response to anyone who strays from what you say is

the "true" Democratic message. Many of us who worked our asses off for Hillary are insulted by your !umping us in with Stein et al. You should reconsider how you deal with us as you are alienating good Democrats.
I'm sure you'll consider that further evidence of apostosfy, but.there it is.

[Demsrule86]

48. I don't include you ...only those whom I specifically mentioned who did not vote for Democrats when

it counted. I don't see it as complicated...you vote for Democrats in the general or you get Republicans...very simplistic really. And good Democrats don't drive voters away by criticizing Democrats when it is the GOP's fault , refusing to donate to Democrats or the party and by not voting when it counts. I consider not voting for Democrats in the general 'apostofy' for sure.

[SidDithers]

43. Nailed it again...

And you know them by their wailing and gnashing of teeth, when they're called out.

Sid

[Atticus]

46. Yeah, because only the "guilty as charged" get upset when they are maligned and insulted.

If those accused of "hating Democrats" were truly innocent, they'd appreciate being falsely accused by people who don't know them, right?

[Demsrule86]

56. The 'innocent' might not even consider it applies to them...the guilty flee

where no man pursueth.

[Atticus]

59. I suppose when one claims the right to retroactively pronounce to whom your criticism

applies, as you do, it is easy to pronouce who is "guilty". We could go back and forth all evening, but to what end? I am a liberal Democrat. You are not going to change that.
And, I call "bullshit" when I smell it even if the "bull" has a "D" after his or her name. You're not gonna change that either.
Let's agree to disagree and continue working to elect a Democratic House AND Senate this fall. We share goals, if not attitudes.

[Demsrule86]

70. I am a liberal Democrat also...but I have no patience with those who claim to be Democrats who

don't vote for the Democratic nominee, criticize the party thus driving voters away...who didn't have Gore's,Kerry's Obama's and Hillary's back in 2000, 2004,2010 and 2016. You can try to parse words and 'explain' this but I too have a BS barometer. I am not saying that you did any of the above by the way...just those who did can cry me a river, and I don't give to fucks. They are not progressive and never will be.

[Demsrule86]

47. Thank you Sid...and I love your tag...love that song... Van Morrison.

[shanny]

34. +1

[Demsrule86]

57. Thank you.

[shanny]

63. why

[Demsrule86]

69. For the plus 1

[snort]

15. And is it safe for all of my fine washables?

[jalan48]

17. It keeps changing with time. It might be anybody to the left of Ronald Reagan these days.

[LeftInTX]

21. The ones who insist on purity tests

The ones who belong on JPR.
The ones who call mainstream Dems, "corporate elites".

The ones that hate Hillary.

[shanny]

35. Certainly nobody here would insist

on purity tests, no sir!




oh, wait....

[TreasonousBastard]

10. I agree, but it has always been this way and I see no way to stop it...

As Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to any organized party-- I'm a Democrat."

The successes we have had were in spite of ourselves.

BTW-- tons of really good stuff here--

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Will_Rogers

("If you ever injected truth into politics you'd have no politics &quot

[Demsrule86]

27. But you see these folks are not Democrats.

[shanny]

36. Just for grins,

if they are not Democrats, how have they betrayed us?

[Demsrule86]

49. They have betrayed the progressive movement.

We are in danger of losing everything we have worked for since Roosevelt.

[shanny]

65. I think your aim is poor

or we don't agree on the definition of "progressive"

[Demsrule86]

68. Anyone who did not vote Hillary needs a new name...progressive they are not.

[KG]

12. I lulz'd

[Cha]

14. Yeah, they always pull that thoughless shite.

3rd party voters who are partly responsible for the gigantic mess we're in.. and they sit back and whine about it.

[MGKrebs]

16. 'Circular firing squad' would indicate shooting at each other...

'shooting' in this case meaning verbal shots. Telling the other side to shut up is a verbal shot. So if you want to end the circular firing squad, stop shooting, comrade.

[Demsrule86]

28. Those that are criticising the Democratic party do need to shut up and go away. They don't like

us or vote for us...thus who gives a damn what they think. They are not Democrats.

[Kentonio]

38. Bingo.

[Eko]

18. I mean we just have to find the right message.

Or something like that,,,,, its not like there are tons of dumb fucks out there who watch honey boo boo and the history channel monster quest that dont give a fuck about facts and reality, never read the repugs memo and have no idea what it is about and talk about how the Democratic party is full of shit and the memo shows it and dont, even, know, what the repug memo was trying to say,,,,,,,,,,,,its the same assholes who think Dumph is good when they are loosing their kids snap and food stamps, that a heavy snow is proof that global warming is bunk while Australia is at 120 mother fucking degrees,,, and they tell me this while my mother and their grandmother is dying, just liking to stick it to me, the liberal in the family because they are a bunch of heartless mother fuckers that only get off on being assholes. We just have to find the right message. No fucking thanks. EOM.

[hueymahl]

19. Yeah, because what leaders are doing is working so well

A little kick in the ass is sometimes a good thing.

[LBM20]

24. Did you read my WHOLE post? I said they weren't perfect. But your "kick in the ass" helped give us

TRUMP. Are you happy now? And HE and the ReFUCKlicans killed DACA, NOT the Dems!

[Demsrule86]

29. It is working well. The leaders have been great...and a kick in the ass as you describe drives

voters away from the party which I think is the goal of these fake progressives who are not Democrats.( Third party riffraff). We need to stop thinking of them as being on our side because they are not. They want a big revolution and then from the ashes they build their paradise...of course millions would be hurt or killed but they don't care. The lack of empathy for average people is one of many traits they share with their Republican buddies. Revolution which leaves a place in ashes never works . But most are not students of history and don't know that...dumb as rocks in my opinion and not Democrats. We should have nothing to do with them and hit them just as hard during election as Republicans with ads and speeches because for all intents and purposes that is what they are.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. The Purist Left voted Jill Stein or stayed at home. . . . nt

[LBM20]

23. Yup. At least too damn many did.

[JI7]

31. If they voted jill stein they aren't pure. They are trolls but certainly not liberal.

[Iggo]

51. Purists voted for the Dem. (n/t)

[betsuni]

22. K&R

[bobGandolf]

25. Valid Point, But Dems Need Daily Counter-Message

The bashing each other over the "how to...how much" on specific issues is counter productive, and not needed at this point.
Criticizing Dem leaders for their silence, due to internal debates, is valid. There is no reason for the continued silence. Dem leaders can, and should, respond to the daily horrific dismantling of programs that directly help or protect Americans, the environment, etc. without arguing among ourselves. We need to respond to the criminal acts against our country, and our democracy every day.
WHAT THE HELL IS THEIR TO DEBATE? The nightmarish attacks against our country by the Trump Administration, and congressional republicans, gives ALL democrats, and independents, ample material to speak out.
Ultra left, middle of the road, and conservative Democrats need to STOP attacking each other. Take turns going after republicans. Every time Trump's face appears on the news, so should a democratic leader calling out his lies.

[JI7]

30. Why refer to them as the left when they want republicans to win ?

[NCTraveler]

32. There is a part...

If the group you mention who are simply oppositional. It’s like a state of being. More often than not solid leftists but they are inherently attracted to what they see as problems. Why talk about positives when we have things to fix. It’s a bit understandable but with that absolute mindset one truly can be defined as the opposition.

[GaryCnf]

37. Indeed, we do not control the government

We are not needed, nor are we wanted. We get ONLY what a modern day fascist and his congressional henchmen are willing to give us and then ONLY by paying a king's ransom. We end that ONLY by retaking the government.

That being said, and without pushing the canard that a determinative portion of the voters of this country are BOTH "centrists" AND hold those views with such conviction that they cannot be persuaded that the left presents a better option than the right, tell us how paying off blackmail makes us more attractive to voters?

I agree bashing our brand is absolutely insane. Showing the strength of our brand is at least an option we should be able to discuss without suffering through these kinds of attacks.

[JHB]

40. Oohh, scolding about "circular firing squads" by engaging in one!

What an unheard-of development.

[Iggo]

50. Define "ultra left."

[guillaumeb]

52. Well.............................

you know. Those people.

[musicblind]

55. He means people who would vote for Jill Stein, Donald Trump or not vote at all

in order to hurt the Democratic party to "teach them a lesson" for daring not to have selected their favorite candidate during the primaries. I'd say the fringe 1 to 2 percent that screams louder in order to make themselves seem larger than their numbers.

[vi5]

62. From what I can gather from the 10,000 post on here every day about this...

..it's anyone not clapping loudly enough.

[NoMoreRepugs]

54. Democratic Party purists had better wake

the fuck up and realize this is the dirtiest street fight ever and they need a bigass mob of voters going forward, some of whom may not share all their lofty standards.

[aikoaiko]

64. I don't see much bashing or purity testing.

What are examples of the things you see?

[treestar]

66. When the Dems are in power

They do the same thing. What the Dems can get even then is not enough.