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Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:51 PM

Americans are manipulated by fake news because religion has infected our politics:

Americans are manipulated by fake news because religion has infected our politics: Peabody-winning journalist


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/americans-manipulated-fake-news-religion-infected-politics-peabody-winning-journalist/

As the Protestant Christians became more extreme, the Republican Party was similarly becoming more extreme.

“So, one thing that has happened, and one thing that has led the Republican Party to fantasy and wishful untruth more and more into its approach to policy…are now in the Republican mainstream,” Andersen argued.

Things like a belief in a secret Muslim plot to overthrow the United States for Sharia Law, climate change being a Chinese hoax and even President Barack Obama is a secret Muslim and Donald Trump came to save America with the birther campaign, are all issues that are easy to believe if “fantasy and wishful untruths” are the norm. It makes it easier to accept conspiracy theories or fake news.

Anderson explained that he doesn’t care if people believe what they want to believe in private. However, when religious belief “bleeds over into how we manage and construct our economy and our society,” there’s a problem. It will cause lasting trouble for the country.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:57 PM

1. Magical thinking, by its nature, predisposes one to accept dubious claims without evidence

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Response to Orrex (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:20 PM

2. I'm sitting about 2 miles from Ohio State's Byrd and Climate Research Center

They have literally millions of data points from ice cores some of which go
back 400,000 years that show climate change is a function of CO2 and other
green house gases and when told about these facts some right winger/Christian
types refuse to believe the evidence and speak complete gibberish about
in the 1970s we were supposed to have a new ice age or that fats in our diet
have now been shown to be good. They are beyond hope.

https://bpcrc.osu.edu

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:24 PM

3. Sadly, I've seen more or less the same thing.

On one side, we have a mountain of nigh-irrefutable evidence, while on the other we have an asshole with a microphone crying "HOAX!"

The drooling masses tend, by a large margin, to heed the asshole in preference to the evidence.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:28 PM

4. FYI

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Response to Orrex (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:32 PM

5. THIS!

You show me someone who believes a 600 year old man built a boat big enough for every animal and I'll show you someone who is apt to believe anything their preacher and or fox news tells them, no matter how insane.

They are used to accepting Bull shit claims, like you said, sans evidence.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:30 PM

11. Forget about the boat: There's no habitat anywhere that can contain 2 of every species. And, even if

you had a transporter room to move them all onto the ark, we know that no breed can survive with just the dna of 2 animals: Survival depends on a very wide semination of varying dna.

So, all you need is 9th grade science to know Noah was a story. But, then again, the same people are probably flat-earthers.

The funny part is, the same logic that says, "I've never seen the other hemisphere, so, it doesn't exist" are quite willing to believe in any and all manner of invisible beings and miracles they've also never seen.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:05 PM

6. That's an interesting concept.

When you think about all the unfounded things Republicans say they are for, religion can be seen as a common denominator. I agree with the writer, Kurt Andersen, and while there are some really inherently stupid Republican politicians, I think most of them are well educated and know better, but they have chosen to act ignorant just to appeal to their base of superstitious, uneducated and ill-informed voters.

This is a seachange from the old Republican Party of my pops generation. This was pre-Reagan, back then the Republicans were the smartest guys in the room, they were the intellectuals, the elitists, and proudly so. Unlike today, none of them were cozying up to religion or catering to crazy conspiracy theories just to get some fringe nut to vote for them.

Republicans have transformed their brand image to mimic the right wing, fundamentalist extremists who will vote still for them based on the worst characteristics of fearful superstitions, and hate fueled authoritarian tribalism.


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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:11 PM

7. Also our schools.

Sixty years ago, in most states you would not have been allowed to opt out of mainstream education so you, as a high school dropout, could brainwash your sixteen kids with non-stop Jesus BS.

Allowing kids to withdraw from a shared, fact-based public education starts the process of them withdrawing from a shared, fact-based public discourse. It also deprives them of the critical thinking skills they would need to see for themselves the difference between what Fox is feeding them and what CNN is presenting.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:22 PM

8. Gotta "home school" the kids because their liberal teachers want to take Jesus out of ...

..... their education. I have really heard that argument on Christian radio and we have
people in America who bath in that kind of crap 24/7.


BTW good public education should be the rock of the democratic platform.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:36 PM

12. Dewey: Democracy and Education.

A representative government requires and informed electorate.



"Home-schooling" should be highly regulated, and extremely rare, reserved for very fragile students.

Otherwise, "home-schooling" is neglect.

https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Education-John-Dewey/dp/1613822812/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F40YS9WRYNFEA9TQ02NH

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:09 PM

9. One of the things Obama did (at least later in his second term)

was in many speeches mentioned "non-believers". This meant a lot to me. The president, whomever that is, has to know that not everyone is a believer in God. I was hoping this was the signal of a big change in politics. But that went way down the drain with the idiot in office now. That SOTU pretty much said if you do not believe in the Christian God as they do, you are not even an American.

This is not just a big problem in itself, but I have read many polls that are saying people in general are becoming less religious. Our politic needs to reflect that, not the crap going on now.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:24 PM

10. What's scary to me is tRump (with Russia's help) has basically Turned Americas basic foundation

(RELIGION) Turned it completely around to destroy us!! How this happened is to me unexplainable, (except for RW media, Russia's use of false news)

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:39 PM

13. IMHO: It's choice time: The planet & our survival, or gawd.

Cause the gawd people think they can trash the place and it either doesn't matter, or gawd will fix it all, anyway.

We have to effing grow the hell up and take responsibility.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:51 PM

14. I've been blaming religion for many years...

magical thinking in one area will tend to bleed over into all other areas.

Belief trumps fact for the weak minded, and typical religious teachings tend to weaken the mind.

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